Is Crabtree Overrated ?

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:
Ive been to several games at the Stick between 2009-10 where I witness Crabtree running open downfield and a certain QB would of kept his eyes up for a split second longer he would be more productive. The St. Louis game at home was a perfect example of him making plays when the QB looks down field.

Now don't get me wrong I don't believe he's a #1 receiver but he could be a very productive #2 if we can somehow find a top flight receiver who has deep threat speed to compliment him and a QB who can get him the ball without throwing 100 mph fastballs while only 2 yards away.

Anyway I recall this same discussion about Vernon Davis and look how he turned out. So let's give Crabtree more time (sounds familiar?) with preseason if there is one and a QB that can get him the ball.

vernon davis was a top TE and morgan had 700 yards which probally one of the best for a #2 in the nfl it is kinda hard to brlieve that smith thros it badly and doesnt see only crabtree when hes downfield

Yeah ok you're right my eyes were lying to me. I indirectly made a certain QB look bad in my post my bad!

im just saying maybe u mis saw crabtree being open downfield cause theyre is a saftey or something waiting to close in cause during broadcasts i rarely if ever heard crabtree is open downfield as smith throws somewhere else and i saw every snap of every game last year

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:
Ive been to several games at the Stick between 2009-10 where I witness Crabtree running open downfield and a certain QB would of kept his eyes up for a split second longer he would be more productive. The St. Louis game at home was a perfect example of him making plays when the QB looks down field.

Now don't get me wrong I don't believe he's a #1 receiver but he could be a very productive #2 if we can somehow find a top flight receiver who has deep threat speed to compliment him and a QB who can get him the ball without throwing 100 mph fastballs while only 2 yards away.

Anyway I recall this same discussion about Vernon Davis and look how he turned out. So let's give Crabtree more time (sounds familiar?) with preseason if there is one and a QB that can get him the ball.

vernon davis was a top TE and morgan had 700 yards which probally one of the best for a #2 in the nfl it is kinda hard to brlieve that smith thros it badly and doesnt see only crabtree when hes downfield

Yeah ok you're right my eyes were lying to me. I indirectly made a certain QB look bad in my post my bad!

im just saying maybe u mis saw crabtree being open downfield cause theyre is a saftey or something waiting to close in cause during broadcasts i rarely if ever heard crabtree is open downfield as smith throws somewhere else and i saw every snap of every game last year

If you really watched every snap like you said you did, then you would clearly notice Alex panic and dump the ball off before his receivers were given time to break their routes. Im not saying that Crabtree doesnt run sloppy routes and what not, but its unfair to judge him when he has played with a garbage QB for his entire career.

Originally posted by 80sbaby24:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:
Ive been to several games at the Stick between 2009-10 where I witness Crabtree running open downfield and a certain QB would of kept his eyes up for a split second longer he would be more productive. The St. Louis game at home was a perfect example of him making plays when the QB looks down field.

Now don't get me wrong I don't believe he's a #1 receiver but he could be a very productive #2 if we can somehow find a top flight receiver who has deep threat speed to compliment him and a QB who can get him the ball without throwing 100 mph fastballs while only 2 yards away.

Anyway I recall this same discussion about Vernon Davis and look how he turned out. So let's give Crabtree more time (sounds familiar?) with preseason if there is one and a QB that can get him the ball.

vernon davis was a top TE and morgan had 700 yards which probally one of the best for a #2 in the nfl it is kinda hard to brlieve that smith thros it badly and doesnt see only crabtree when hes downfield

Yeah ok you're right my eyes were lying to me. I indirectly made a certain QB look bad in my post my bad!

im just saying maybe u mis saw crabtree being open downfield cause theyre is a saftey or something waiting to close in cause during broadcasts i rarely if ever heard crabtree is open downfield as smith throws somewhere else and i saw every snap of every game last year

If you really watched every snap like you said you did, then you would clearly notice Alex panic and dump the ball off before his receivers were given time to break their routes. Im not saying that Crabtree doesnt run sloppy routes and what not, but its unfair to judge him when he has played with a garbage QB for his entire career.

ya i did see that although he does throw a lot of the balls away usually wen pocket collapses and for all we know there is no one open because the view we get from teh tv and the announcers rarely say "alex threw the ball away while crabtree was wide open"

and also vernon davis is #2 te in recieving yards

and this took a while but i checked and morgan is the 10th best receiving yards for #2 WR crabtree os the only one who alex has no connection with maybe of he acually practiced and didnt miss TC and OTA's

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by 80sbaby24:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by JustaFan45:
Ive been to several games at the Stick between 2009-10 where I witness Crabtree running open downfield and a certain QB would of kept his eyes up for a split second longer he would be more productive. The St. Louis game at home was a perfect example of him making plays when the QB looks down field.

Now don't get me wrong I don't believe he's a #1 receiver but he could be a very productive #2 if we can somehow find a top flight receiver who has deep threat speed to compliment him and a QB who can get him the ball without throwing 100 mph fastballs while only 2 yards away.

Anyway I recall this same discussion about Vernon Davis and look how he turned out. So let's give Crabtree more time (sounds familiar?) with preseason if there is one and a QB that can get him the ball.

vernon davis was a top TE and morgan had 700 yards which probally one of the best for a #2 in the nfl it is kinda hard to brlieve that smith thros it badly and doesnt see only crabtree when hes downfield

Yeah ok you're right my eyes were lying to me. I indirectly made a certain QB look bad in my post my bad!

im just saying maybe u mis saw crabtree being open downfield cause theyre is a saftey or something waiting to close in cause during broadcasts i rarely if ever heard crabtree is open downfield as smith throws somewhere else and i saw every snap of every game last year

If you really watched every snap like you said you did, then you would clearly notice Alex panic and dump the ball off before his receivers were given time to break their routes. Im not saying that Crabtree doesnt run sloppy routes and what not, but its unfair to judge him when he has played with a garbage QB for his entire career.

ya i did see that although he does throw a lot of the balls away usually wen pocket collapses and for all we know there is no one open because the view we get from teh tv and the announcers rarely say "alex threw the ball away while crabtree was wide open"

and also vernon davis is #2 te in recieving yards

and this took a while but i checked and morgan is the 10th best receiving yards for #2 WR crabtree os the only one who alex has no connection with maybe of he acually practiced and didnt miss TC and OTA's

Quite a while back there was a post showing that Crabtree and Smith were terrible together during the first five games but improved throughout the year. That indicates that Crabtree missing the preseason was a problem. The fact that Smith could connect with him later in the year suggests that Smith could connect with him later in the year.

As far as Crabtree being wide open and missed by the QBs, that could apply to both Smiths and might be due to the constant pressure over the right side of the line as Rachal and Davis played tag with the rushers.

Im not a Crabtree fan but its very hard to judge him with the crap that we have been watching at the QB position. No WR in the league could have thrived with him.

Originally posted by susweel:
Im not a Crabtree fan but its very hard to judge him with the crap that we have been watching at the QB position. No WR in the league could have thrived with him.

It doesn't seem to bother Vernon Davis's production. He's easily among the best TE's in the league. Sounds like a CrabtreEXCUSE to me...

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:
Im not a Crabtree fan but its very hard to judge him with the crap that we have been watching at the QB position. No WR in the league could have thrived with him.

It doesn't seem to bother Vernon Davis's production. He's easily among the best TE's in the league. Sounds like a CrabtreEXCUSE to me...

VD's catches are mostly in the middle of the field. Dont think that Alex has the arm strength or the confidence to hit WRs on the outside.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:
Im not a Crabtree fan but its very hard to judge him with the crap that we have been watching at the QB position. No WR in the league could have thrived with him.

It doesn't seem to bother Vernon Davis's production. He's easily among the best TE's in the league. Sounds like a CrabtreEXCUSE to me...

VD's catches are mostly in the middle of the field. Dont think that Alex has the arm strength or the confidence to hit WRs on the outside.

We line VD up wide sometimes and Alex hits him there too for even long bombs. See Rams game... CrabtreEXCUSE spends most of his time in the middle anyway. He's not fast enough to go deep.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by susweel:
Im not a Crabtree fan but its very hard to judge him with the crap that we have been watching at the QB position. No WR in the league could have thrived with him.

It doesn't seem to bother Vernon Davis's production. He's easily among the best TE's in the league. Sounds like a CrabtreEXCUSE to me...

VD's catches are mostly in the middle of the field. Dont think that Alex has the arm strength or the confidence to hit WRs on the outside.

We line VD up wide sometimes and Alex hits him there too for even long bombs. See Rams game... CrabtreEXCUSE spends most of his time in the middle anyway. He's not fast enough to go deep.

I agree with you on that.

naw, he's just big boned