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What if Alex Smith was drafted by Andy Reid?

Originally posted by Chief:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by susweel:
He would have been cut by year 3.

Troll feeding again I see .



I'm with Sunweel on this one, I think he would of been a backup for Reid or cut because Reid would not waste 6 years on a QB that is not fully functional.

Obviously he is not fully functional now. What if Reid got Alex in year one and got to sit behind McNabb for 3 0r 4 years. His confidence would never have been shattered. He would have never been thrown under a bus. And he would have gotten to work with coordinators like Childress, Mornginweg (Sp?). I truly believe this organization took a potentially good QB and destroyed him. Obviously he sucks now, but I just feel sorry for the guy for the situation he was placed in.
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It doesn't matter if Reid drafted Smith, he's just not a consistant enough passer to be a good NFL Qb.
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The correct answer to this question is... who the f**k knows? Nobody.

This is pure mental masturbation.

I will say that I'm one of those that believe a rookie QB should sit for a couple years and learn while the coaching staff makes sure the offense works at least well enough to keep him safe.

Build a balanced team, then add a QB as the final piece and you'll win for years. If our line can grow and perform to potential and we bring in a real coaching staff, I think we're at that point now.

In 2005 did the Eagles meet these criteria? I have to say yes. Does that mean Smith does any better than he has? Again... who the f**k knows? Nobody.
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.
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Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
If a player isn't any good. He isn't any good period. Alex could of had Bill Walsh as a HC, and he still would of sucked, cuz in short he sucks. Jeez. What kinda of question is that? My word.

Rich Gannon

Yes, most ignorant thing to be witnessed on a MB... Such utterance can only be face-palmed.

Not ignorant at all. You people make it seem that IF Smith played under one guy, he would have been a completely different quarterback. Are you basing this on the handful of games where Alex has looked good ? In his 6 years of miserable play, he only has maybe 2-3 games where he played like a real quarterback, and even in those 3 games he didnt play well in all 4 quarters.

And you think a guy like Reid would have made him a probowler ?

You people are delusional.........no wonder Berman and the gang laugh at us on MNF when they talk about the Niners still waiting on a 6 year vet to determine whether he's the future of the franchise or not.

But then again, what do those guys know about football, right ?

You lost me at "6 years of play..."

If you're going to bash a guy at least get your facts straight. Seriously how many times do people have to spell things out for you? Are you this obtuse and dense in real life within your interpersonal relationships or is this part of your message board "character?"

If you're in the league.........it counts. Nobody says that Steve Young's career started after Montana retired. He was on the roster. He watched gamefilm. He had time to learn. Smith didnt sit at home eating popscorn those years that he did not play. He had time to watch film and get some pointers from other guys playing the position. Dont excuse his "time off" as non-football related.

He's a 6 year vet, based on how much time he spent with the team. I know it makes life better for you guys to just label him a 3rd year player, cause its easier to swallow the misery he's put us through all this time, but that just not the case....
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Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
safe to assume

Never.

Run from assume.

Hide from assume.

Assume is out to get you.
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Originally posted by ZRF80:

If you're in the league.........it counts.

I think the problem he had is that you said, "Six years of miserable play".

I don't think anybody counts Young's time on the bench as "play" time.

Not that I don't understand where you're coming from. It still sucks to have had him as, at best, this huge question mark hanging over the head of the team for six years. You still either had to endure broken dreams or frustration that he was still on the roster, depending on if you'd written him off. Six years of that sucks no matter how you slice it.

Sometimes, you just have to relax and not worry about the things you can't control. It's better for your health long term.
Originally posted by Wodwo:
Originally posted by ZRF80:

If you're in the league.........it counts.

I think the problem he had is that you said, "Six years of miserable play".

I don't think anybody counts Young's time on the bench as "play" time.

Not that I don't understand where you're coming from. It still sucks to have had him as, at best, this huge question mark hanging over the head of the team for six years. You still either had to endure broken dreams or frustration that he was still on the roster, depending on if you'd written him off. Six years of that sucks no matter how you slice it.

Sometimes, you just have to relax and not worry about the things you can't control. It's better for your health long term.

Remember that Smith has not even played 3 years out of the 6 years people keep talking about. He has been hurt for rougly 2 and 1/2 years and Hill played 4 or 5 games last year.

This all goes to the development issue and how the 9ers screwed up the training and protection of a QB. Nolan should have taken Smith's injury seriously but he didn't. The 9ers should have fired Nolan for that reason alone. Getting back to the development of Smith you don't just throw a young QB into a game like ther 9ers did in Smith's first year. The team was crap and didn't have the players to pass protection him (remember the Redskins game in year 1?) or the weapons to help him out.

Add to that the fact that Nolan decided to draft defensive players in the first few years of the Smith era and his FA offensive linemen turned out to be crap would any QB have any chance. And don't give me, "but the 9ers drafted V. Davis." Davis didn't show much production until last year (and we all know that wasn't Smith's fault since he wasn't playing).

In the end we will never know if Smith would have been better but I would guess he would have been. What I really worry about is the next QB we take in the draft because the 9ers history with Smith shows that the organization doesn't have a clue how to develop a QB. It's like the Keystone Cops are running this organization.
he would have been cut a long time ago
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he would have been cut in 2007 or 2008, injury or no injury.

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Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.
Originally posted by Shaj:
he would have been cut in 2007 or 2008, injury or no injury.

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So you would have cut the team's first round draft pick (number 1 overall) after just one season if done after the 2006 season in early 2007?

Or are you saying you would have cut Smith after his second season where every fan and football observer thought he showed great improvement under a very good OC?

Or, perhaps, you are saying we should have cut Smith because he got injuried earlier in his 3rd season?

Either way your talking nonsense man. There was no reason to cut Smith in 2007 or 2008 and every reason to believe we still had a franschise QB in Smith in those years.
Originally posted by Shaj:
he would have been cut in 2007 or 2008, injury or no injury.

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I think you are wrong. If Reid can make Kolb a good QB, then I think he could have done the same with Smith. When given time, Smith can make some nice throws. His consistency sucks, but I think Reid would have smoothed out that wrinkle in his game.
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by nw9erfan:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Not even close.

Alex's biggest flaw is his inconsistency. This is not something we have seen only this year. This has been the focal point of his career, despite playing in numerous systems. And although a lot may come out and say that the systems themselves were the problem and/or the fact that Alex never had any continuity in any of them, that theory was debunked this season when.......despite having the SAME OC, the SAME playbook, and SAME player personnel.......Alex continued to be inconsistent.

Andy Reid would not have changed that.

Totally disagree... To me, the problems with Smith are as follows...

1) Organization in disarray....7 OCs already in his career and another to come.
2) Expectations. Smith came out early and was too immature to take control of a team right away.
3) Like many young QBs that come to a bad team, a bad OL helped give Smith an unhealthy fear of getting pummeled, which he was repeatedly in his first few years.
4) No real support from Nolan, the coach who drafted him.
5) No OC that has really tried to fit the Niner's offense to Smith's strengths. For example, Smith would probably do well with the Patriots or Saints because they tend to spread out their receivers more.

There are other reasons obviously and don't take the above reasons as excuses for Smith's poor play. My point is that Reid is an intelligent coach and would have recognized Smith's strengths and tried to take advantage of them, especially his mobility. The Eagles are one of the most stable NFL franchises and wouldn't have put the pressure on Smith early, would have tried to ease him in to the league, would have supported him, and would have groomed him so he wasn't prone to inconsistent play.
On the subject of organization; Mike Holmgren noted how detailed and organized Reid was even in his early days as an assistant on Holmgren's GB staff. He asked tons of questions and took meticulous notes, leaving nothing out. He was constantly looking at play design and schemes, constantly revising, leaving out old plays that didn't work and replacing them with new ones.

Holmgren credits Reid's work with Brett Favre in 1997 as QB coach as playing a large role in the polishing of Favre into a more controlled and consistent player. It led to a SB victory and MVP. Until then, Favre was an uncontrolled gunslinger.

Favre and Alex are extreme opposites. There's really no comparision between the two in any way shape or form.
The comparison was in the area of consistency.

Since leaving Green Bay and the system Holmgren/Reid instilled in him, Favre has largely regressed to the old inconsistent ways.

Childress is a former Reid coordinator. It's the same system.

Brett Favre's 41 years old. You're just not going to coach that guy anymore.
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Rodgers= exactly how you develop a QB and help your franchise.

Smith= exactly how you fvck up a QB and set back your franchise.

The answer to the OPs question lies in Green Bay. Rodgers went through the exact opposite of what Smith went through and the results show. Obviously Rodgers was more pro ready so it's not a total apples to apples comparison but it's safe to assume Alex would be FAR better off had him and Rodgers switched places.

You have a fallacy in your logic. You are assuming that because Rodgers was groomed behind a future HOF and with staffing/system continuity, that he was therefore successful - when you cannot prove that he would not have been very successful coming straight out of the chute like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and many others.

Smith would have laid eggs no matter the circumstances. He doesn't have leadership, instinct, or accuracy. Every one of those in and of themselves is a fatal flaw for a QB. Smith has managed to fail at all three. You could put him behind Montana for 5 years and still not see better results. Most notable is that leadership and instinct cannot be taught, and accuracy is damn hard to coach in someone who just doesn't have it.

What you say might be true but it might not be. As I said earlier we will never know but we can speculate about it. I'd say Smith would have developed BETTER in a different organization. That doesn't mean anything other than Smith would have had a better situation to suceed. Anyone taking a good long look at the 2005-2010 time period will realize that the 9ers did a lot of things that look boneheaded in terms of helping a young QB succeed.