ESPN Latest on Alex Smith

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by mickey49:
I really dont know how to take this. It's great that he's showing improvements or dare I say "flashes of brilliance", but what does that mean in the big picture? Do we bring back Smith AGAIN next year because Sing (or whoever the coach will be) thinks he's getting better and needs to be in the same system with Johnson to succeed?

Unless Alex figures out how to play well in a whole game, not just the first two and last two minutes, it really doesnt mean that much. Overall his play was good against Philly, but he's still making crucial mistakes.

Smith will be "allowed" to test the free agent market next year. The 49ers will draft another QB, and sign a veteran to help bridge the gap. The veteran could be Alex Smith, if he's not signed by another team, and he plays well enough to finish out the season.

Yeah but if we get a new head coach, that means new system and same old Alex Smith. If Smith lights it up, then Sing stays and Johnson will take his job in a year.

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by mickey49:
I really dont know how to take this. It's great that he's showing improvements or dare I say "flashes of brilliance", but what does that mean in the big picture? Do we bring back Smith AGAIN next year because Sing (or whoever the coach will be) thinks he's getting better and needs to be in the same system with Johnson to succeed?

Unless Alex figures out how to play well in a whole game, not just the first two and last two minutes, it really doesnt mean that much. Overall his play was good against Philly, but he's still making crucial mistakes.

Smith will be "allowed" to test the free agent market next year. The 49ers will draft another QB, and sign a veteran to help bridge the gap. The veteran could be Alex Smith, if he's not signed by another team, and he plays well enough to finish out the season.

Originally posted by scopur49er:

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by scopur49er:

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by SY9er8:

Originally posted by 1251alex:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

Cause he BROKE his collar bone in a Preseason game had to have surgery and was OUT for the season. DUH!Don't try to twist it into something it ain't.

~Ceadder

no s**t right?

you tell em Ceadder.

im backing Ceadder on this one!

I dont understand ZRF's continued belief that Alex failed under Martz. SMH

You guys have short memories. JTO had already beaten out Smith in Pre season prior to Smith breaking his collarbone. Duh

Eat more green vegetables.

Yeah playing on a bad shoulder the same shoulder that was ruined the year before. No Matter, JTO beat no one out, he got the playing time because of his knowledge of the system. FACT.

Keep grasping.

You guys need to get your stories straight before you defend poor little Alex.

lol, ummm, ok

Guys, for the record...

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/26354573/

"O’Sullivan was picked to start San Francisco’s preseason opener Aug. 8 against Oakland and has been practicing and playing with the first unit since. He didn’t take any snaps in 11-on-11 team drills during the first seven days of training camp as Smith and Hill got all the work.

But both players struggled to grasp new offensive coordinator Mike Martz’s complex system, and O’Sullivan was given a chance in the lead role earlier this month."

...Smith was not injured. He just couldn't pick up the offense.

right because it takes exactly 7 whole days to pick up an extremly complex offensive system. JTO was gonna start regardless because he knew the O

True but Alex Smith's problems don't stem from his lack of system familiarity.

He is innaccurate, crumbles under pressure, makes errant throws too often and in general makes poor decisions during critical moments of the game.

He's the kind of guy that could thrive only under perfect conditions but then again most QBs in the league probably could.

Let's just accept the fact that the guy is destined to be mediocre his entire career and move on. Everyone else around the league sees this. I don't understand why people here still have a hard time coming to grips with it.

The QB you want does NOT exist. Not even Peyton Manning is that accurate. Or don't you remember all those wild ass Marvin Harrison Catches? One in particular stands out to me. The one where he caught the Pass laid out above the throw the ball came in hot and he had to run to it and grab it before it came down on the turf.

So please just stop with the "Inaccurate" nonsense. There NO QB who puts the ball on the numbers on every throw. Alex has his share of "accurate" Passes, just like everyone else at the position.

It's Foolish to expect laser perfect Passes on every throw. Not even Joe and Steve were that frigging accurate.

See this is the level 9er fans believe they are owed and the only laser they are owed is the one pointed at their forehead when a SWAT sniper has a bead on them.

Absolutely pathetic.

Newsflash, if the ball is catchable then it's accurate. If the ball is NOT catchable NOT accurate. Time for you simplef^x to learn the difference.

Ever hear of Lynn Swann? Micheal Irvin? Jerry Rice? These guys made names for themselves making their QBs' look good. If you don't believe me go watch some highlight reels.

I'm absolutely gobsmacked with the ridiculousness to which this level of expectation is thrown around by 9er fans.

~Ceadder

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by mickey49:
I really dont know how to take this. It's great that he's showing improvements or dare I say "flashes of brilliance", but what does that mean in the big picture? Do we bring back Smith AGAIN next year because Sing (or whoever the coach will be) thinks he's getting better and needs to be in the same system with Johnson to succeed?

Unless Alex figures out how to play well in a whole game, not just the first two and last two minutes, it really doesnt mean that much. Overall his play was good against Philly, but he's still making crucial mistakes.

Smith will be "allowed" to test the free agent market next year. The 49ers will draft another QB, and sign a veteran to help bridge the gap. The veteran could be Alex Smith, if he's not signed by another team, and he plays well enough to finish out the season.

Yeah but if we get a new head coach, that means new system and same old Alex Smith. If Smith lights it up, then Sing stays and Johnson will take his job in a year.

Could be worse. I don't like the idea of losing Johnson and Manusky and starting over from scratch. That's not where this team is. I have no idea how Jonson is as a leader but I like him as a coach and would like to see how he grows into an OC. But who knows, he could end up being the next great HC.

LOOK the reason i posted this article is that for the rest of THIS YEAR Alex is our best bet and f**k all this Davis, Carr nonsense it so stupid. Oline nut the f**k up and protect you qb and we will produce offensively and get the ball to crabs and vd plain and simple not rocket science 49res.

Originally posted by Axl49:
LOOK the reason i posted this article is that for the rest of THIS YEAR Alex is our best bet and f**k all this Davis, Carr nonsense it so stupid. Oline nut the f**k up and protect you qb and we will produce offensively and get the ball to crabs and vd plain and simple not rocket science 49res.

Davis isn't even on the team. Those people need to get real.

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by mickey49:
I really dont know how to take this. It's great that he's showing improvements or dare I say "flashes of brilliance", but what does that mean in the big picture? Do we bring back Smith AGAIN next year because Sing (or whoever the coach will be) thinks he's getting better and needs to be in the same system with Johnson to succeed?

Unless Alex figures out how to play well in a whole game, not just the first two and last two minutes, it really doesnt mean that much. Overall his play was good against Philly, but he's still making crucial mistakes.

Smith will be "allowed" to test the free agent market next year. The 49ers will draft another QB, and sign a veteran to help bridge the gap. The veteran could be Alex Smith, if he's not signed by another team, and he plays well enough to finish out the season.

Yeah but if we get a new head coach, that means new system and same old Alex Smith. If Smith lights it up, then Sing stays and Johnson will take his job in a year.

Could be worse. I don't like the idea of losing Johnson and Manusky and starting over from scratch. That's not where this team is. I have no idea how Jonson is as a leader but I like him as a coach and would like to see how he grows into an OC. But who knows, he could end up being the next great HC.

If the offense begins to light it up and Johnsons as a phenom then I have no issues with hiring an innovative fresh mind as a HC. Worked for us before.

If Smith plays like he did after getting boo'd then we will win out. Therein lies the problem though...say he lights up the Raiders...awesome great...what about the next week...and the week after?

We need to go 9-2 from this point on. I like Alex and I think he will be successful in this league...BUT I just don't believe he's going to lead us to 9-2. Even if he plays amazing the rest of the way there are problems on defense as well. 7-4 or 8-3 are doable but 9-2 or 10-1?? Wouldnt bet the house on that.

But hey..you never know. I'll be rooting for 11-0 obviously. :)

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:

Originally posted by ninerlifer:

Originally posted by SY9er8:

Originally posted by 1251alex:

Originally posted by Ceadderman:

Originally posted by ZRF80:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by D_Niner:

Originally posted by binary2nd:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:


1. Great QBs can still make that perfect pass even under duress. Not always, but still completing over 50% of their passes is ideal. Alex simply cannot do that, practically ever. In these cases it could make him more worthy of a QB if he would use his mobility to get some yards or even a first down, or simply to escape the pressure and find an open receiver.

What Alex's ceiling is, who knows, we won't know until he's with an OC that knows what their doing. But I agree with you here, and a lot of it is mechanics. Alex doesn't have a very strong arm and has a big windup to his release. He needs space and an extra bit of time to get his pass off. Because of this, if he's under pressure, his mechanics go crazy and his passes become horrible.

Yeah, exactly. Get him a OC like Norv Turner or Mike Martz and lets see what he can do. Oh, wait...

Uhm....he actually did reasonably well in 1 full season as a starter under Turner. (that's right, he's actually started 1 full season for us so far)

He never even saw the field under Martz. It was the JTO/Shaun Hill show.

And why didnt he see the field under Martz ?

Cause he BROKE his collar bone in a Preseason game had to have surgery and was OUT for the season. DUH!Don't try to twist it into something it ain't.

~Ceadder

no s**t right?

you tell em Ceadder.

im backing Ceadder on this one!

I dont understand ZRF's continued belief that Alex failed under Martz. SMH

You guys have short memories. JTO had already beaten out Smith in Pre season prior to Smith breaking his collarbone. Duh

Eat more green vegetables.

Yeah playing on a bad shoulder the same shoulder that was ruined the year before. No Matter, JTO beat no one out, he got the playing time because of his knowledge of the system. FACT.

Keep grasping.

That whole thing was rigged from the start. Remember Martz saying that Hill wasn't getting reps in at some point in training camp because of a "sore arm" which Hill said was news to him.

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
If Smith plays like he did after getting boo'd then we will win out. Therein lies the problem though...say he lights up the Raiders...awesome great...what about the next week...and the week after?

We need to go 9-2 from this point on. I like Alex and I think he will be successful in this league...BUT I just don't believe he's going to lead us to 9-2. Even if he plays amazing the rest of the way there are problems on defense as well. 7-4 or 8-3 are doable but 9-2 or 10-1?? Wouldnt bet the house on that.

But hey..you never know. I'll be rooting for 11-0 obviously. :)

The Chargers did it last year after looking like crap through 5 games (even though they won two of those games they just barely beat a sorry-ass Raiders in one and were losing to Miami at home and needed a pick-6 to go ahead in the 4th). It can be done.

[ Edited by Gavintech on Oct 14, 2010 at 17:38:29 ]

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
If Smith plays like he did after getting boo'd then we will win out. Therein lies the problem though...say he lights up the Raiders...awesome great...what about the next week...and the week after?

We need to go 9-2 from this point on. I like Alex and I think he will be successful in this league...BUT I just don't believe he's going to lead us to 9-2. Even if he plays amazing the rest of the way there are problems on defense as well. 7-4 or 8-3 are doable but 9-2 or 10-1?? Wouldnt bet the house on that.

But hey..you never know. I'll be rooting for 11-0 obviously. :)

The Chargers did it last year after looking like crap through 5 games last year (even though they won two of those games they just barely beat a sorry-ass Raiders in one and were losing to Miami at home and needed a pick-6 to go ahead in the 4th). It can be done.

Tennessee did too barley missing playoffs last year.

If Alex gets benched (or when, if he cannot turn it around), we'll get to see just how bad this team really is. People thought Dilfer was going to save us -- and it was laughable how bad we were during his time.

We think it's bad now? I do not wish to see what this team would look like with Carr or Troy in there.

Originally posted by Axl49:

Originally posted by Gavintech:

Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
If Smith plays like he did after getting boo'd then we will win out. Therein lies the problem though...say he lights up the Raiders...awesome great...what about the next week...and the week after?

We need to go 9-2 from this point on. I like Alex and I think he will be successful in this league...BUT I just don't believe he's going to lead us to 9-2. Even if he plays amazing the rest of the way there are problems on defense as well. 7-4 or 8-3 are doable but 9-2 or 10-1?? Wouldnt bet the house on that.

But hey..you never know. I'll be rooting for 11-0 obviously. :)

The Chargers did it last year after looking like crap through 5 games last year (even though they won two of those games they just barely beat a sorry-ass Raiders in one and were losing to Miami at home and needed a pick-6 to go ahead in the 4th). It can be done.

Tennessee did too barley missing playoffs last year.

They didn't go 11-0 down the stretch but yea, they made a play after being 0-6. And I can't see the 49ers losing to the Raiders so hopefully we won't be 0-6.

[ Edited by Gavintech on Oct 14, 2010 at 17:40:00 ]

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by mickey49:
I really dont know how to take this. It's great that he's showing improvements or dare I say "flashes of brilliance", but what does that mean in the big picture? Do we bring back Smith AGAIN next year because Sing (or whoever the coach will be) thinks he's getting better and needs to be in the same system with Johnson to succeed?

Unless Alex figures out how to play well in a whole game, not just the first two and last two minutes, it really doesnt mean that much. Overall his play was good against Philly, but he's still making crucial mistakes.

Smith will be "allowed" to test the free agent market next year. The 49ers will draft another QB, and sign a veteran to help bridge the gap. The veteran could be Alex Smith, if he's not signed by another team, and he plays well enough to finish out the season.

Ugh. We'll see. It's just frustrating 'cause this team talent-wise is built to make the playoffs. Biggest question mark is QB and the thought of another year of "let's see what Alex can do"...

Originally posted by Otter:

Originally posted by mickey49:
I really dont know how to take this. It's great that he's showing improvements or dare I say "flashes of brilliance", but what does that mean in the big picture? Do we bring back Smith AGAIN next year because Sing (or whoever the coach will be) thinks he's getting better and needs to be in the same system with Johnson to succeed?

Unless Alex figures out how to play well in a whole game, not just the first two and last two minutes, it really doesnt mean that much. Overall his play was good against Philly, but he's still making crucial mistakes.

Smith will be "allowed" to test the free agent market next year. The 49ers will draft another QB, and sign a veteran to help bridge the gap. The veteran could be Alex Smith, if he's not signed by another team, and he plays well enough to finish out the season.

I'd be willing to bet there are good offensive coaches (know what they are doing) who saw Smith against New Orleans and Philly and would be happy to get him.