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The NFL's # 1 Defense Thread

Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
frankly, if we don't give up a rushing TD for an entire regular season it doesn't matter what we do in the postseason or if my grandma was playing QB, that defense would be considered pretty special, possibly all time great just on that one stat alone. No team has given up fewer tahn 4 TD's in, what, 80 years?

In all serioiusness, records like that are nearly as important as Superbowls to me. They immortalize a team and the legend only grows as time goes on. 20 years from now our kids will be talking about the "Fearsome 7" or something that sounds much cooler.

The Alex Smith comment was a joke. With all the talk going on about him right now, I can't help myself.

P.S. In order to become a great of all time D, I do think you have to win a Superbowl.

all-time great, yeah, i think you have to win a Super Bowl. I was reading about the 2000 Ravens defense and there was a comparison between them and the 2000 Titans defense, and it was a pretty favorable matchup, except, I believe, for points allowed. Anyway, no one really remembers that Titans defense as a great one, except for Titans fans, maybe. But that Titans defense didn't break any crazy records either.

Winning a championship validates an accomplishment like that, for sure. We definitely have to come up with a better nickname than "Fearsome 7" though, just in case.
Yeah? What do you want?
Originally posted by HessianDud:
all-time great, yeah, i think you have to win a Super Bowl. I was reading about the 2000 Ravens defense and there was a comparison between them and the 2000 Titans defense, and it was a pretty favorable matchup, except, I believe, for points allowed. Anyway, no one really remembers that Titans defense as a great one, except for Titans fans, maybe. But that Titans defense didn't break any crazy records either.

Winning a championship validates an accomplishment like that, for sure. We definitely have to come up with a better nickname than "Fearsome 7" though, just in case.

The Magnificent 7? Take your pick at a theme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45KAjt7v4t4

or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niQLCDLDFcw.
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by HessianDud:
frankly, if we don't give up a rushing TD for an entire regular season it doesn't matter what we do in the postseason or if my grandma was playing QB, that defense would be considered pretty special, possibly all time great just on that one stat alone. No team has given up fewer tahn 4 TD's in, what, 80 years?

In all serioiusness, records like that are nearly as important as Superbowls to me. They immortalize a team and the legend only grows as time goes on. 20 years from now our kids will be talking about the "Fearsome 7" or something that sounds much cooler.

The Alex Smith comment was a joke. With all the talk going on about him right now, I can't help myself.

P.S. In order to become a great of all time D, I do think you have to win a Superbowl.

all-time great, yeah, i think you have to win a Super Bowl. I was reading about the 2000 Ravens defense and there was a comparison between them and the 2000 Titans defense, and it was a pretty favorable matchup, except, I believe, for points allowed. Anyway, no one really remembers that Titans defense as a great one, except for Titans fans, maybe. But that Titans defense didn't break any crazy records either.

Winning a championship validates an accomplishment like that, for sure. We definitely have to come up with a better nickname than "Fearsome 7" though, just in case.
Yeah? What do you want?

money.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Ravens D only gave up 165 all season.

them
0, 36, 19, 0,0 10, 10, 14, 9, 7, 23, 0 , 7, 3, 7, 20, 3, 10, 3, 7 = 10.3

us....
17, 27, 8, 23, 3, 19, 10, 11, 20, 7, 16, 0

Image if you take away that 36 that puts it down to 8.03 a game.... as for us we aren't doing bad but we had a few late scores. Probably about 21-28 points late in the games plus the 2 point safety against the Bengals.


Still.... check this out... try beating the Packers average for 13 games... that's like 1.5 a game. I know offenses weren't nearly as prolific but still that's crazy.

Fewest Points Allowed, Season (13-game Season), 22 Green Bay Packers:1929
Fewest Points Allowed, Season (Since 1932), 44 Chicago Bears: 1932
Fewest Points Allowed, Season (14-game Season), 129 Atlanta Falcons: 1977
Fewest Points Allowed, Season (16-game Season), 165 Baltimore Ravens: 2000

0, 0, 2, 2, 0, 6, 6, 0, 0, 6, 0, 0, 0.... WOW and they beat our buddies the Providence Steamrollers 25-0.
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Dec 7, 2011 at 5:23 PM ]
That '00 Ravens O must have been hot garbage if the D wasn't even ranked #1 that year (in yards)
[ Edited by JerryRice1848 on Dec 7, 2011 at 5:22 PM ]
Update via NFL.com's "official" stats for our key front 7 players minus NT:

Through Week 15: Sacks, TFL, (QB Hits)
DL
Ray McDonald - 4.5, 5 (7)
Justin Smith - 5.5, 5 (16)

LB
Aldon Smith - 13, 11 (21)
Ahmad Brooks - 6, 11 (12)
Patrick Willis - 2, 7 (4)
Navarro Bowman - 0, 11 (2)
Parys Haralson - 2, 1 (4)

Team Sacks
Aldon Smith - 13
Ahmad Brooks - 6.0
Justin Smith - 5.5
Ray McDonald - 4.5
Parys Haralson - 2.0
Patrick Willis - 2.0
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 20, 2011 at 9:08 AM ]

Great game by our defense!
Larry Grant had a Madden cheese type of pass deflection on the Rothlesberger pass. I can't believe he knocked it down, that far down field.
Awesome game. Would have liked to see more pressure up the gut with ILB blitzes, some CB & S blitzes - more zone blitzes esp. when you have a sitting duck back there. What a game for Aldon though...2.5 sacks, 2 TFL's and 7 QB hits!

One thing that is ultra amazing is the fact that from our front 7 alone, despite playing a 3-4 defense, we have a collective 53 tackles for loss and that is w/o Willis for two games now. Wow!
Originally posted by NCommand:
Awesome game. Would have liked to see more pressure up the gut with ILB blitzes, some CB & S blitzes - more zone blitzes esp. when you have a sitting duck back there. What a game for Aldon though...2.5 sacks, 2 TFL's and 7 QB hits!

One thing that is ultra amazing is the fact that from our front 7 alone, despite playing a 3-4 defense, we have a collective 53 tackles for loss and that is w/o Willis for two games now. Wow!

After watching last night's game I've come to the conclusion that the reason they don't see more blitzes is b/c these guys suck at blitzing. Every time they blitzed they never got to big ben. Grant was always stonewalled by the running back, and i seen one safety blitz that was too slow to develop.

But at some point they have to get more out of the starting OLB if they are going to be a base 3-4 team. Brooks and Parys need to turn it up.

But last night's performance was simply amazing. considering that I thought Brooks and Parys both had bad games. Parys couldn't tackle for s**t last night. The whole d line should be saluted b/c they were busting folks asses.

Aldon's hand work is a thing of beauty. and that bull rush dam near makes me want to cry. Those stunts worked beautifully b/c Justin smith occupied 2 blockers. and the secondary did a much better job in the 2nd half in overall coverage on the back in. some of those sacks were due to tight coverage.
[ Edited by lamontb on Dec 20, 2011 at 10:27 AM ]
Originally posted by lamontb:
After watching last night's game I've come to the conclusion that the reason they don't see more blitzes is b/c these guys suck at blitzing. Every time they blitzed they never got to big ben. Grant was always stonewalled by the running back, and i seen one safety blitz that was too slow to develop.

But at some point they have to get more out of the starting OLB if they are going to be a base 3-4 team. Brooks and Parys need to turn it up.

But last night's performance was simply amazing. considering that I thought Brooks and Parys both had bad games. Parys couldn't tackle for s**t last night. The whole d line should be saluted b/c they were busting folks asses.

Aldon's had work is a thing of beauty. and that bull rush dam near makes me want to cry. Those stunts worked beautifully b/c Justin smith occupied 2 blockers. and the secondary did a much better job in teh 2nd half in overall coverage on the back in. some of those sacks were due to tight coverage.

I was about to write the same thing. Also thought that Bowman struggled as much as he ever has this year and was outplayed by Larry Grant. Still, even with 3 of 4 starting LBs having subpar games we held them under control with ease. Pretty astounding.
-didn't they say defense wins championships?
Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
Originally posted by lamontb:
After watching last night's game I've come to the conclusion that the reason they don't see more blitzes is b/c these guys suck at blitzing. Every time they blitzed they never got to big ben. Grant was always stonewalled by the running back, and i seen one safety blitz that was too slow to develop.

But at some point they have to get more out of the starting OLB if they are going to be a base 3-4 team. Brooks and Parys need to turn it up.

But last night's performance was simply amazing. considering that I thought Brooks and Parys both had bad games. Parys couldn't tackle for s**t last night. The whole d line should be saluted b/c they were busting folks asses.

Aldon's had work is a thing of beauty. and that bull rush dam near makes me want to cry. Those stunts worked beautifully b/c Justin smith occupied 2 blockers. and the secondary did a much better job in teh 2nd half in overall coverage on the back in. some of those sacks were due to tight coverage.

I was about to write the same thing. Also thought that Bowman struggled as much as he ever has this year and was outplayed by Larry Grant. Still, even with 3 of 4 starting LBs having subpar games we held them under control with ease. Pretty astounding.

I agree you two...need to watch the game again more closely though but Parys hasn't been much of anything since the first game; he did force a couple critical fumbles early on. But since then (sounds of crickets). The Steelers did a great job with formations getting Brooks isolated for underneath coverage. The problem was that he never had any over-the-top help; safeties were very late to get over. I hope Seattle doesn't exploit this issue we had last night. Brooks was stellar against the run (7 tackles and 1 TFL - leads team) and there were no runs off-tackle to his side as always. But he does need to turn up the pass rush more esp. now that ALDON is getting doubled more now. I would like to see some more inside stunts with McDonald or having Aldon line up at SAM and Brooks inside at TED and blitz; that's been very effective this year but we rarely do it.
[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 20, 2011 at 11:01 AM ]
Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
Originally posted by lamontb:
After watching last night's game I've come to the conclusion that the reason they don't see more blitzes is b/c these guys suck at blitzing. Every time they blitzed they never got to big ben. Grant was always stonewalled by the running back, and i seen one safety blitz that was too slow to develop.

But at some point they have to get more out of the starting OLB if they are going to be a base 3-4 team. Brooks and Parys need to turn it up.

But last night's performance was simply amazing. considering that I thought Brooks and Parys both had bad games. Parys couldn't tackle for s**t last night. The whole d line should be saluted b/c they were busting folks asses.

Aldon's had work is a thing of beauty. and that bull rush dam near makes me want to cry. Those stunts worked beautifully b/c Justin smith occupied 2 blockers. and the secondary did a much better job in teh 2nd half in overall coverage on the back in. some of those sacks were due to tight coverage.

I was about to write the same thing. Also thought that Bowman struggled as much as he ever has this year and was outplayed by Larry Grant. Still, even with 3 of 4 starting LBs having subpar games we held them under control with ease. Pretty astounding.
We have just been so used to good tackling that seeing those missed tackles last night were out of character. But this was a good team they were facing. Those inside runs out of the shotgun were just good plays from the Steelers. With Grant playing this well I would hope they could some how mix in some packages where Willis is at OLB rushing the passer. Just his presence there is something the offense would need to adjust too and may cause confusion.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by johnnyredneat:
Originally posted by lamontb:
After watching last night's game I've come to the conclusion that the reason they don't see more blitzes is b/c these guys suck at blitzing. Every time they blitzed they never got to big ben. Grant was always stonewalled by the running back, and i seen one safety blitz that was too slow to develop.

But at some point they have to get more out of the starting OLB if they are going to be a base 3-4 team. Brooks and Parys need to turn it up.

But last night's performance was simply amazing. considering that I thought Brooks and Parys both had bad games. Parys couldn't tackle for s**t last night. The whole d line should be saluted b/c they were busting folks asses.

Aldon's had work is a thing of beauty. and that bull rush dam near makes me want to cry. Those stunts worked beautifully b/c Justin smith occupied 2 blockers. and the secondary did a much better job in teh 2nd half in overall coverage on the back in. some of those sacks were due to tight coverage.

I was about to write the same thing. Also thought that Bowman struggled as much as he ever has this year and was outplayed by Larry Grant. Still, even with 3 of 4 starting LBs having subpar games we held them under control with ease. Pretty astounding.

I agree you two...need to watch the game again more closely though but Parys hasn't been much of anything since the first game; he did force a couple critical fumbles early on. But since then (sounds of crickets). The Steelers did a great job with formations getting Brooks isolated for underneath coverage. The problem was that he never had any over-the-top help; safeties were very late to get over. I hope Seattle doesn't exploit this issue we had last night. Brooks was stellar against the run (7 tackles and 1 TFL - leads team) and there were no runs off-tackle to his side as always. But he does need to turn up the pass rush more esp. now that ALDON is getting doubled more now. I would like to see some more inside stunts with McDonald or having Aldon line up at SAM and Brooks inside at TED and blitz; that's been very effective this year but we rarely do it.

True but i think the Steelers were able to exploit that match up with Brooks b/c the speed they have at WR. The safeties had to be over top to prevent Brown or Wallace going deep. Steelers present tons of match up problems when they go 3 wr sets and have Heath miller running shallow routes.

If you re watch the game I think Parys's play is going to make you sick. Thus why I say it's time to give Aldon some more reps at OLB. Get him some reps of dropping back in coverage and covering a zone, and rushing from a stand up position. I know you are a big Brooks guy but it seems as if he's hit a wall in terms of getting to the quarterback. Imagine is we can drum up some pressure from a guy not named smith on the defense. After this game i expect teams to start doubling Aldon. time for Brooks and Parys to produce. and I'm not talking major numbers but they should be in the 8 to 10 sack range instead of the 3 to 5 range.