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ESPN: Smith worst QB in NFC West and getting worse

Originally posted by JEB74:
Maybe we could sign Trent Edwards and at least have someone else besides Carr to compete against Smith.

oh no
did anyone else see this?

Quote:
After the 49ers' embarrassing 31-10 loss to the Chiefs -- after which a 49ers source said the Chiefs' defense was calling out plays before the snap of the ball

http://www.csnbayarea.com/09/27/10/49ers-Fire-Offensive-Coordinator-Jimmy-R/landing.html?blockID=319139&feedID=2539

if they knew what was coming, can you blame smith/OL/or anyone else?
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
You Alex Haters are a broken record.

Who is arguing that he is good? What is the point in this all these rehashed threads? This is a week-to-week QB stock done my Mike Sando. Last week Alex Smith was the second best QB in the NFC West and getting better.

Have some restraint, we understand yesterdays loss was frustrating, and deal with the fact we have no QB on the roster better than Alex Smith and chances are we're not going to get one.

Is all of this incessant complaining really going to make the QB position any better?

We are currently the worst team in the NFL---people are po'd...get over it...there is nothing to be happy about.
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Very overly simplistic. The media always only looks at the QB and thinks that's all there is. Just like most fans.

~ How does it explain why we can't get our plays in on time?
~ How does it explain the players can't understand the OC?
~ Explain why our PR guys can't catch a punt?
~ Explain why we get out coached and out schemed in every single game?
~ Why is our ownership so reactionary instead of being proactive?

This is a dysfunctional organization don't kid yourself. You could just as easily say we have the "WORST OWNERSHIP IN THE LEAGUE" and it's getting worse...

I think you could make a real strong argument for that.

If Smith would come out of the damn chute and play like Ryan, Flacco, Roethlisberger, or so many others, you would be singing the praises of our management team. Alex is a cancer in this organization. He has the NFL QB version of Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy - everyone around him *but him* gets hurt, but he is the one inflicting the harm.

Flacco has looked pretty bad so far this year.

so not the point.

People claiming they want him to play like Flacco have no idea what they are talking about, they come up with these comparisons and don't realize he is playing almost better then Flacco.

Player Att Comp Yds Comp % Yds/Att TD TD % INT INT % Long Sck Sack/Lost Rating
Joe Flacco 108 59 664 54.6 6.1 4 3.7 5 4.6 38 3 19 66.3
Alex Smith 119 72 732 60.5 6.2 2 1.7 5 4.2 41 7 35 66.2
[ Edited by jreff22 on Sep 27, 2010 at 2:54 PM ]
I appreciate all of your heartfelt lectures and sermons on demanding accountability and performance while on our players are on the job. I hope that your dedication to the 49er tribulations do not get you into trouble at work. I am sure that you are vigilantly focusing on your work and are not using work time to spend time on NT - it woould be inexcusable to hold Alex to a different standard than you hold yourself to. I am retired and can appear here during the day without violating the duty I owe to my employer.
Originally posted by 76Razor:
did anyone else see this?

Quote:
After the 49ers' embarrassing 31-10 loss to the Chiefs -- after which a 49ers source said the Chiefs' defense was calling out plays before the snap of the ball

http://www.csnbayarea.com/09/27/10/49ers-Fire-Offensive-Coordinator-Jimmy-R/landing.html?blockID=319139&feedID=2539

if they knew what was coming, can you blame smith/OL/or anyone else?

Out coached. Out schemed.
  • dj43
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Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by mickey49:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
sometimes, the defense gives you one on one. Sometimes you gotta take a chance. Smith rarely does. Also depends on the situations. if it's 3rd and 10, you're down by 3 TD's, you don't check it down for a 2 yard gain.

Thank you! This has been one of the biggest problems with Smith's game. He is so risk-averse, that it actually becomes a bigger risk than taking shots down the field, because you're just not moving the ball. I'm sure defenses get giddy when they see all those check downs...

Rod Brooks was confirming today that all during the OTAs and pre-season, Jimmy Raye was drilling it into his head that he had 3 seconds to get rid of the ball. If the first choice wasn't there, check it down but DO NOT take a chance on turning the ball over. Smith has been being a good soldier. Let's hope the new general will put guys in position so that he can take some shots down the field and give his teammates a chance to make some plays.

It was too bad Smith never had a chance to play in the Martz offense. Martz said Smith was ready to take over the week he re-injured his shoulder. It would have been interesting.


But again, somewhere along the line "instincts" have to take over. I have no problem with Alex's "good guy" mentality. He's helluva person off the field, and does everything he is told from a coaching perspective. But comeon.....your team is down by 2 TDs........you have a 2nd and 20 deep inside your own territory, and you opt for a 5 yard dink because "thats what my coach taught me" ?

You dont find anything wrong with that ?
What I find wrong is the same thing I have been saying all season, THE SCHEME IS WRONG AND THE PERSONNEL IS WRONG!!! You can throw the ball down the field if you don't have a receiver even running down the field much less getting open.

The 49er wide receivers are NOT GOOD. Morgan is a starter because he is a very good downfield blocker. Crabtree is starting because he was paid a lot of money, not because he is good. Ziegler is behind Crabtree which tells us how good he is. Ted Ginn was given a cup of stale coffee and a day old donut while he waited by the phone in Miami for a phone call from the 49ers, the only team that was willing to give him a shot.

Instead of Brian Westbrook in the game, a guy who can get open, we have Moran Norris. ETC., ETC....

Those are very encouraging things to consider if you are the QB.

agree with all of that, but how does that fix Smith's propensity to be inaccurate, have poor downfield reads, show little to no leadership, and demonstrate poor mechanics?
Good questions.

First of all, his mechanics are much better this year than in the past. Mike Johnson has done a very good job changing his release point and his footwork. Mechanics are no longer an issue, IMO.

Leadership is a function of KNOWING the scheme is junk and no amount of "leadership" among the team is going to cover that up. I believe Smith is bright enough to know that he would appear a fool in his teammates eyes if he were to try to say, "hang in there. It will all work out." He isn't going to act the fool in order to try to get teammates to buy what Raye was cooking.

I don't know what his reads are but he has been much better going through his progressions this year than in the past. The problem is, Raye coached him to get rid of the ball in 3 seconds. That does not allow a receiver to get open in a lot of cases.

Accuracy is an issue and it is also a function of the confidence the QB has in the receiver to be where he is supposed to go. Also confidence in the OL to engage the DL so they do not get their hands up to knock down passes.

As most will know about me, I am VERY big on the impact that coaches can have on the players. If it is creative, fun, and it keeps the defense on their heels, everybody works harder and wins just happen. OTOH, these last three weeks have shown what happens when things are dull and boring. One of the greatest immeasurables, and something Bill Walsh talked about a lot, was the relationship the coaches had with the players, particularly the QB and his position coach and WRs' coach. Walsh spent a great deal of time developing that entire package, something Singletary appears to have done little at all other than Smith/Johnson, which kind of ran on its own.
Originally posted by 76Razor:
did anyone else see this?

Quote:
After the 49ers' embarrassing 31-10 loss to the Chiefs -- after which a 49ers source said the Chiefs' defense was calling out plays before the snap of the ball

http://www.csnbayarea.com/09/27/10/49ers-Fire-Offensive-Coordinator-Jimmy-R/landing.html?blockID=319139&feedID=2539

if they knew what was coming, can you blame smith/OL/or anyone else?

I mean who couldn't? it was an inside run or check down to the flats EVERY PLAY
Originally posted by maximill15:
he had a serious case of happy feet yesterday! STAND IN THE DAMN POCKET!

This!
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Very overly simplistic. The media always only looks at the QB and thinks that's all there is. Just like most fans.

~ How does it explain why we can't get our plays in on time?
~ How does it explain the players can't understand the OC?
~ Explain why our PR guys can't catch a punt?
~ Explain why we get out coached and out schemed in every single game?
~ Why is our ownership so reactionary instead of being proactive?

This is a dysfunctional organization don't kid yourself. You could just as easily say we have the "WORST OWNERSHIP IN THE LEAGUE" and it's getting worse...

I think you could make a real strong argument for that.

If Smith would come out of the damn chute and play like Ryan, Flacco, Roethlisberger, or so many others, you would be singing the praises of our management team. Alex is a cancer in this organization. He has the NFL QB version of Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy - everyone around him *but him* gets hurt, but he is the one inflicting the harm.

Flacco has looked pretty bad so far this year.

Even the best QBs have had partially bad years; put Brett Favre in that category this year too. Conversely, only the WORST QBs have bad CAREERS. That is what we have in year 6 (and counting) of the Alex Smith experiment.

Shaj how many games has he played? Is this a bad year for Stafford as well?
Originally posted by Bobbi9698:
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
You Alex Haters are a broken record.

Who is arguing that he is good? What is the point in this all these rehashed threads? This is a week-to-week QB stock done my Mike Sando. Last week Alex Smith was the second best QB in the NFC West and getting better.

Have some restraint, we understand yesterdays loss was frustrating, and deal with the fact we have no QB on the roster better than Alex Smith and chances are we're not going to get one.

Is all of this incessant complaining really going to make the QB position any better?

We are currently the worst team in the NFL---people are po'd...get over it...there is nothing to be happy about.

I have something to be happy about



Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Shaj:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by ZRF80:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by mickey49:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
sometimes, the defense gives you one on one. Sometimes you gotta take a chance. Smith rarely does. Also depends on the situations. if it's 3rd and 10, you're down by 3 TD's, you don't check it down for a 2 yard gain.

Thank you! This has been one of the biggest problems with Smith's game. He is so risk-averse, that it actually becomes a bigger risk than taking shots down the field, because you're just not moving the ball. I'm sure defenses get giddy when they see all those check downs...

Rod Brooks was confirming today that all during the OTAs and pre-season, Jimmy Raye was drilling it into his head that he had 3 seconds to get rid of the ball. If the first choice wasn't there, check it down but DO NOT take a chance on turning the ball over. Smith has been being a good soldier. Let's hope the new general will put guys in position so that he can take some shots down the field and give his teammates a chance to make some plays.

It was too bad Smith never had a chance to play in the Martz offense. Martz said Smith was ready to take over the week he re-injured his shoulder. It would have been interesting.


But again, somewhere along the line "instincts" have to take over. I have no problem with Alex's "good guy" mentality. He's helluva person off the field, and does everything he is told from a coaching perspective. But comeon.....your team is down by 2 TDs........you have a 2nd and 20 deep inside your own territory, and you opt for a 5 yard dink because "thats what my coach taught me" ?

You dont find anything wrong with that ?
What I find wrong is the same thing I have been saying all season, THE SCHEME IS WRONG AND THE PERSONNEL IS WRONG!!! You can throw the ball down the field if you don't have a receiver even running down the field much less getting open.

The 49er wide receivers are NOT GOOD. Morgan is a starter because he is a very good downfield blocker. Crabtree is starting because he was paid a lot of money, not because he is good. Ziegler is behind Crabtree which tells us how good he is. Ted Ginn was given a cup of stale coffee and a day old donut while he waited by the phone in Miami for a phone call from the 49ers, the only team that was willing to give him a shot.

Instead of Brian Westbrook in the game, a guy who can get open, we have Moran Norris. ETC., ETC....

Those are very encouraging things to consider if you are the QB.

agree with all of that, but how does that fix Smith's propensity to be inaccurate, have poor downfield reads, show little to no leadership, and demonstrate poor mechanics?
Good questions.

First of all, his mechanics are much better this year than in the past. Mike Johnson has done a very good job changing his release point and his footwork. Mechanics are no longer an issue, IMO.

Leadership is a function of KNOWING the scheme is junk and no amount of "leadership" among the team is going to cover that up. I believe Smith is bright enough to know that he would appear a fool in his teammates eyes if he were to try to say, "hang in there. It will all work out." He isn't going to act the fool in order to try to get teammates to buy what Raye was cooking.

I don't know what his reads are but he has been much better going through his progressions this year than in the past. The problem is, Raye coached him to get rid of the ball in 3 seconds. That does not allow a receiver to get open in a lot of cases.

Accuracy is an issue and it is also a function of the confidence the QB has in the receiver to be where he is supposed to go. Also confidence in the OL to engage the DL so they do not get their hands up to knock down passes.

As most will know about me, I am VERY big on the impact that coaches can have on the players. If it is creative, fun, and it keeps the defense on their heels, everybody works harder and wins just happen. OTOH, these last three weeks have shown what happens when things are dull and boring. One of the greatest immeasurables, and something Bill Walsh talked about a lot, was the relationship the coaches had with the players, particularly the QB and his position coach and WRs' coach. Walsh spent a great deal of time developing that entire package, something Singletary appears to have done little at all other than Smith/Johnson, which kind of ran on its own.

Nice post man. Wish more were like this.
  • obx49
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Originally posted by Bobbi9698:
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
You Alex Haters are a broken record.

Who is arguing that he is good? What is the point in this all these rehashed threads? This is a week-to-week QB stock done my Mike Sando. Last week Alex Smith was the second best QB in the NFC West and getting better.

Have some restraint, we understand yesterdays loss was frustrating, and deal with the fact we have no QB on the roster better than Alex Smith and chances are we're not going to get one.

Is all of this incessant complaining really going to make the QB position any better?

Yea, and Alex Smith just threw another pass that was too high...
























And got intercepted.
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Originally posted by Bobbi9698:
Originally posted by OregonNiner87:
You Alex Haters are a broken record.

Who is arguing that he is good? What is the point in this all these rehashed threads? This is a week-to-week QB stock done my Mike Sando. Last week Alex Smith was the second best QB in the NFC West and getting better.

Have some restraint, we understand yesterdays loss was frustrating, and deal with the fact we have no QB on the roster better than Alex Smith and chances are we're not going to get one.

Is all of this incessant complaining really going to make the QB position any better?

We are currently the worst team in the NFL---people are po'd...get over it...there is nothing to be happy about.

I have something to be happy about




luck is on record saying he wants to finish his degree! Doubt he come out this yr
Originally posted by SituationCoach:
I say, Sign TRENT EDWARDS!

The guy had no weapons and absolutely no protection when he was a Bill.

He needs a 2nd chance with the weapons and semi protection that the 49ers have.

I know it might never happen but hey...Its just a thought.

You need to put down the bong, mon...he has Lee Evans, who was good before he fell asleep and Terrill Owens...no weapons? He sucks bad...