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Baalke - authority/courage to trade?

  • BobS
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The 49ers probably have the most inexperienced unskilled front office in the NFL. But they work cheap, it is a miracle this team even made it back to .500 considering everything. With York ownership this team will never sniff another championship. I hold out hope they will sell the team.
Originally posted by BobS:
The 49ers probably have the most inexperienced unskilled front office in the NFL. But they work cheap, it is a miracle this team even made it back to .500 considering everything. With York ownership this team will never sniff another championship. I hold out hope they will sell the team.

Is that you San Diego ?
I imagine the draft will be an all-hands-on-deck situation for the organization. Perhaps it will be a little clumsy, but if they universally are acting together, I can't see them being at a tremendous disadvantage.
Originally posted by 49ersMan420:
Time will tell
This is what you get when you have a twenty eight year old running your beloved team. We are so Fu**ed.
Everything's gonna be just fine.

[ Edited by 9eridiot on Apr 2, 2010 at 21:25:49 ]
Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:
I'm not concerned... they'll be fine.

Don't you have more important sh*t to worry about?




~Ceadder
As one of the initial posters in favor of a HOFO, jimbagg, i am worried sick, and have thot thru most of what you put in print. Do the fellows who just blow this off really believe that our team just "got great" during the Bill Walsh era because he was a good coach? Hell no, he was tweaking, improving, trading up, trading down, standing pat, like the guy who owns the casino. Why? Because he was one of the real first HOFOs, a guy who was able to coach every position, was able to outcoach every opponent, was a master of talent picking, and when it came time to draft or FA, the guy knew each and every nuance of his team, what it needed, when, why, where, and how. In short he was a genius when it came time for draft day. The Ronnie Lott backfield? Pure Walsh. Pure genius.

Why? Well, he learned at the elbow of the master, Paul Brown, equally skilled in all fields, but unlike Brown who never promoted Walsh(instead keeping him around as an asst---the best ever), and never recommended him for a HC job. That was the antithesis of walsh, whose coaching tree has something like 29 or 32 guys in his coaching tree. Do you folks who think things are just hunky dory really think that just happened? NO, walsh watched a master for yrs, and learned his job well. When he came here he was the de facto HOFO, and Eddie D was smart enough to realize it.

We got what for the draft? Two fresh "meats" both totally out of their element, and sakes alive, nobody in charge. We do have two guys who can confer...or maybe argue...while the clock is ticking. The fact that nobody but a few dumb fans like jimbagg and me aren't worried about this is, well, frankly, distressing. We are going into the big game with 2 guys that don't know(see walsh's resume above)virtually anything about the big picture, but rather are talent scouts...probably pretty good ones, too.

What we are missing is the HOFO with the big overall big picture, and the knowledge about when to blink and when to hold 'em. Are we better off without mcCLOWN? Yeah, we are, because he proved to be the anti-walsh. Didn't know the team, wasn't a coach, didn't know about building lines first, blah, blah. Most of you folks aren't worried about draft day. Jimbagg and i are. You should be too.

Look, with my entire heart and soul, i hope and pray that our two guys just do a wham bang job. Problem is, i am not holding my breath. Green owner, green drafters, no GM, no HOFO...that doesn't sound like the way one would want to do battle, and a battle (of wits and guts) it will be...just like it always is. Once again it seems like we are the 9th pup on an eight teated momma dog. Yeah, i am worried.

[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Apr 2, 2010 at 23:04:42 ]
Doc, are you really distressed -- your word --that we fans aren't worrying enough about management's draft day performance? Do you really think that we "should" -- your word -- be worried about draft day?

The tenor of your posting would seem to indicate that you think that if we all worry ourselves sick, the outcome will be better. But I know you're too smart to believe that.

I can understand being a little apprehensive about the draft -- I'm sure we all are. But we can't affect it. What will be, will be. Might as well sit back and enjoy it.

And the fact that we don't have a Bill Walsh managing the draft is no cause for alarm: so far as I know, not a lot of other teams have a Bill Walsh, either. That doesn't mean our guys can't manage a draft. I'm sure our draft board will be solidified by D-Day, and that our guys will have considered what trade offers are likely and how to respond to them.

Even for a Bill Walsh, a draft is something of a crap shoot; there are no guarantees. But we're well placed to pick up some good players; let's relax and expect that to happen!
if we give up our 13 and a third to move up and get Buluga i will be pleased and it will be worth it....we will see if he has the vitimans
7, nah, i am not so concerned about the fans--- it is mgmt that i am concerned about. Three yrs ago several of us raised the idea of a HOFO, and right about now, i truly wish we had one(not anyone, but a Loomis, Pioli, Wolf, Parcells, the guy from Ravens, INDY, etc). In truth, there arent that many shining lites out there, and the available ones are young and "comers"(Ravens for example). Am i disappointed we have no GM nor HOFO at present? Actually no, because the Donahue(walsh's one big failure), Noln, mcCLOWN, singletary hirings were all poorly thot out and done way before enough thot had been put into it. I am content to wait for the one, perfect guy, but he better have the creds the GMs/HOFO noted above have.

As for draft day, i just hope we don't get our ears pinned back again. We cannot pick another Balmer as #1 and have any hope of 49er success. Obviously Baalke et al aren't strangers to the drafting process, but there is a huge difference between watching and actually being the "doer" at draft time. What is missing, and will be our Achilles heel, is not having the one guy who has coached the team, knows all positions, all liabilities and strengths, knows what positions we have to have most, knows when to fold and when to call. We basically are having our picks taken by guys who know talent, not the absolute one best way to build a team...and that puts us at a decided disadvantage.

Guapo, i too, like your posit. If we could pull that off, i would be ecstatic. Unfortunately, we would have to do just as well with our second pick, 4th,5th and 6th. Don't forget, we could borrow from 2011 draft, and get our OL set for 8-10 yrs with 2 potential pro bowlers added to our OL(i am thinking Iupati, also). I wish i knew more about Pouncey(discussed in another thread) at Center, which is a real hole on the OL.
Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:
I'm not concerned... they'll be fine.

Don't you have more important sh*t to worry about?



I thought this is what you do in a sports forum, discuss s**t about your team, not daily life problems...stop trolling.
If all four top offensive tackles were gone by the 13th pick, I'd choose the BPA and then trade the 17th pick for Gaither. Otherwise, any offensive tackle we take at 17 would be a reach and not as good as Gaither. That said, the Ravens have already stated that a high second rounder would get a team in the door, so we can take the BPA there as well. Sounds like a no brainer to me, trade a second and say a sixth and our offensive line is set while getting two starters in the mid first round. Does our four-headed GM have the guts to pull the trigger though? That's the question.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Unless a monster is sitting a few spots away (Berry for instance) I'm fine with sitting and taking BPA (within reason).

Give the guy a chance before we lose all faith.

Good point jreff. I also think the way the draft is structured this year over three days is going to help the Niners. Baalke won't be under duress if he has all night between rounds to discuss their options. I am not worried at all.
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Unless a monster is sitting a few spots away (Berry for instance) I'm fine with sitting and taking BPA (within reason).

Give the guy a chance before we lose all faith.

Good point jreff. I also think the way the draft is structured this year over three days is going to help the Niners. Baalke won't be under duress if he has all night between rounds to discuss their options. I am not worried at all.

There will be more arguing and speculating here on the Zone then the actual war room.