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Move David Baas to center

Dog, if nothing else you have been consistently in heitmann's corner. You see him one way, many of us see him with rocky bernard going over his back to screw up alex's shoulder., as another. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Unquestionably, our weakest link (imo) is at center. I have said for months now that snyder=baas=heitmann=rags, and that wallace is still out there. Between solari and bigRay, one would think one of those jokers could manage to play center decently enough to keep our qB from getting cleat marks on his helmet, and secondly, allow him more than 1.5 seconds to throw the dang ball. I cannot believe that out of 5 guys drafted to play OL/C, that one of them cannot give us a decent professional performance at C. Who is it? Man i have no idea, but between staley, AD, poti, hopefully rachal, we have a really good OL framework. One of the remaining magnificent 5 has to be up to becoming a decent C, especially with good players to his right and left. I don't care who it is. I just expect one of those behemoths to play like a pro...something no one has done in yrs.
Originally posted by mayo63:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Bass will blossom at center.

People forget that Baas was an All-American center coming out of Michigan. He should be a good replacement for Heitman when he retires.

He played all of 7 games in total at center for Michigan during his career there.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by mayo63:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Bass will blossom at center.

People forget that Baas was an All-American center coming out of Michigan. He should be a good replacement for Heitman when he retires.

He played all of 7 games in total at center for Michigan during his career there.


He did win the award for the nation's top center in college football and several teams had him rated as a better center than guard.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
While Adam Snyder was clearly the main weak link of a bad O-Line, I think Eric Heitman was also a weak link and has been the last few years. I would like to see the team at least consider moving Baas to center a posistion he played some at Michigan and a lot of teams and scouts had Baas projected as a better center than OG coming out of Michigan.

Sign a solid vetran LG and a O-Line of Staley-Vetran OG-Baas-Rachal-Bulaga (or another draft pick) looks pretty good.

You ARE kidding?

Aren't you?

Seriously?

Do you truly believe Eric Heitmann is the weak link in the offensive line?

For real?



I have read some of your other posts and you seem like a reasonably knowledgeable guy but this I don't get at all. You CAN"T be watching the same games I am. Please go to the thread I put up this morning on the OL play-by-play analysis of the Ram game. Read through it as you re-watch the tape of the game, if you recorded it. When you are finished come back and report.

Heitmann is f**king awful dude. Why the hell do you think we're trying other people out at center!? HAHA

So Solari can decide who is the best to back up Heitmann. I thought that was obvious.

You are plowing the sea, my friend. There are way too many stupid people (about 5 on this board) who actually think that Heitmann (ONCE AGAIN EVERYONE, THERE ARE TWO "N" LETTERS IN HEITMANN) is a problem, and will be replaced.

I'm still looking for one sportswriter, coach, scout, analyst who thinks Heitmann is a problem. From every report I read last year (I can't tell you how many I've linked on just this thread alone), he was our top OL. However, there are still people out there (once again, just a handful) that think the earth is square.


Well everyone has a right to their opinion and I know you love Heitmann, but calling people stupid? Dude, your not a football god. I respect your opinion and your big board and while I disagree with a lot of what you say, I do not say your stupid.
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by mayo63:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Bass will blossom at center.

People forget that Baas was an All-American center coming out of Michigan. He should be a good replacement for Heitman when he retires.

He played all of 7 games in total at center for Michigan during his career there.


He did win the award for the nation's top center in college football and several teams had him rated as a better center than guard.

He was the co-recipient of that award. (He shared it with Ben Wilkerson). As far as being rated as a better center than guard, it really doesn't mean much considering several teams make several mistakes when rating prospects every year. He himself claimed to be more comfortable playing guard than center coming out of college so there is nothing to support that he'd be better off moving full time to a position he has little experience playing and has not played in 5 years before now. He is basically going to end up competing for a chance to suit up on gameday as a backup, and if he can't make it as such they will let him walk after this year.
I remain unconvinced that Baas can be a better center than Heitmann. About Wallace I have no opinion, only doubts. Going to be an interesting time.
Originally posted by English:
I remain unconvinced that Baas can be a better center than Heitmann. About Wallace I have no opinion, only doubts. Going to be an interesting time.


Fair enough
Originally posted by mayo63:
Originally posted by pelos21:
Bass will blossom at center.

People forget that Baas was an All-American center coming out of Michigan. He should be a good replacement for Heitman when he retires.

Heitmann is about 18 months older than Baas. Baas will be lucky to make the squad next year. Baas is not going to replace anyone in this league.

Think about it. Baas was offered a low, one-year offer for 2010. This team has very little confidence in him as a long-term player.
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
While Adam Snyder was clearly the main weak link of a bad O-Line, I think Eric Heitman was also a weak link and has been the last few years. I would like to see the team at least consider moving Baas to center a posistion he played some at Michigan and a lot of teams and scouts had Baas projected as a better center than OG coming out of Michigan.

Sign a solid vetran LG and a O-Line of Staley-Vetran OG-Baas-Rachal-Bulaga (or another draft pick) looks pretty good.

You ARE kidding?

Aren't you?

Seriously?

Do you truly believe Eric Heitmann is the weak link in the offensive line?

For real?



I have read some of your other posts and you seem like a reasonably knowledgeable guy but this I don't get at all. You CAN"T be watching the same games I am. Please go to the thread I put up this morning on the OL play-by-play analysis of the Ram game. Read through it as you re-watch the tape of the game, if you recorded it. When you are finished come back and report.

Heitmann is f**king awful dude. Why the hell do you think we're trying other people out at center!? HAHA

So Solari can decide who is the best to back up Heitmann. I thought that was obvious.

You are plowing the sea, my friend. There are way too many stupid people (about 5 on this board) who actually think that Heitmann (ONCE AGAIN EVERYONE, THERE ARE TWO "N" LETTERS IN HEITMANN) is a problem, and will be replaced.

I'm still looking for one sportswriter, coach, scout, analyst who thinks Heitmann is a problem. From every report I read last year (I can't tell you how many I've linked on just this thread alone), he was our top OL. However, there are still people out there (once again, just a handful) that think the earth is square.


Well everyone has a right to their opinion and I know you love Heitmann, but calling people stupid? Dude, your not a football god. I respect your opinion and your big board and while I disagree with a lot of what you say, I do not say your stupid.

It doesn't take a god to know that Heitmann is a better player than Baas. It takes any form of common sense.

Please read any of the 1000 links I have placed on this thread, or in the "Eric Heitmann is a Good Football Player" thread. Read from the experts for follow this team, who speak to coaches, scouts, GM's, other players, if you think I am delusional. You will not find one supporter for your position.

I know this is a stunningly difficult concept to follow, but why would the team elect Heitmann as the offensive captain all these years if he was so replaceable, especially by a guy who is going to lose out to a rookie from Idaho? A guy who is so respected by the organization that they offer him a low tender offer of 1.2 million, FOR ONE YEAR.

Lookie at this article from two days ago from MM (you can fill in the blank with any of the other beat writers, if you wish): If Baas is demoted to a backup role, he would likely have to be available to be the backup center, as well as play both guard spots, [i]to have a chance to be one of the 45 players to suit up on game days. That is why showing his versatility this offseason might be vital for him to make a contribution this season.[/i]

This means that Baas is going to be a utility player, at best. Heitmann isn't going anywhere.

We are not playing fantasy football here, and you can't project Baas' play at center from six years ago against a guy who is the perennial team captain and rated as the best lineman on this team.

I don't even know why I even bother to argue in this thread. It is so out of the realm of possibility that it is a non-issue, ranking right up there with a Willis-McKillop controversy.
[ Edited by MadDog49er on May 20, 2010 at 12:04 PM ]
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
While Adam Snyder was clearly the main weak link of a bad O-Line, I think Eric Heitman was also a weak link and has been the last few years. I would like to see the team at least consider moving Baas to center a posistion he played some at Michigan and a lot of teams and scouts had Baas projected as a better center than OG coming out of Michigan.

Sign a solid vetran LG and a O-Line of Staley-Vetran OG-Baas-Rachal-Bulaga (or another draft pick) looks pretty good.

You ARE kidding?

Aren't you?

Seriously?

Do you truly believe Eric Heitmann is the weak link in the offensive line?

For real?



I have read some of your other posts and you seem like a reasonably knowledgeable guy but this I don't get at all. You CAN"T be watching the same games I am. Please go to the thread I put up this morning on the OL play-by-play analysis of the Ram game. Read through it as you re-watch the tape of the game, if you recorded it. When you are finished come back and report.

Heitmann is f**king awful dude. Why the hell do you think we're trying other people out at center!? HAHA

So Solari can decide who is the best to back up Heitmann. I thought that was obvious.

You are plowing the sea, my friend. There are way too many stupid people (about 5 on this board) who actually think that Heitmann (ONCE AGAIN EVERYONE, THERE ARE TWO "N" LETTERS IN HEITMANN) is a problem, and will be replaced.

I'm still looking for one sportswriter, coach, scout, analyst who thinks Heitmann is a problem. From every report I read last year (I can't tell you how many I've linked on just this thread alone), he was our top OL. However, there are still people out there (once again, just a handful) that think the earth is square.


Well everyone has a right to their opinion and I know you love Heitmann, but calling people stupid? Dude, your not a football god. I respect your opinion and your big board and while I disagree with a lot of what you say, I do not say your stupid.

It doesn't take a god to know that Heitmann is a better player than Baas. It takes any form of common sense.

Please read any of the 1000 links I have placed on this thread, or in the "Eric Heitmann is a Good Football Player" thread. Read from the experts for follow this team, who speak to coaches, scouts, GM's, other players, if you think I am delusional. You will not find one supporter for your position.

I know this is a stunningly difficult concept to follow, but why would the team elect Heitmann as the offensive captain all these years if he was so replaceable, especially by a guy who is going to lose out to a rookie from Idaho? A guy who is so respected by the organization that they offer him a low tender offer of 1.2 million, FOR ONE YEAR.

Lookie at this article from two days ago from MM (you can fill in the blank with any of the other beat writers, if you wish): If Baas is demoted to a backup role, he would likely have to be available to be the backup center, as well as play both guard spots, [i]to have a chance to be one of the 45 players to suit up on game days. That is why showing his versatility this offseason might be vital for him to make a contribution this season.[/i]

This means that Baas is going to be a utility player, at best. Heitmann isn't going anywhere.

We are not playing fantasy football here, and you can't project Baas' play at center from six years ago against a guy who is the perennial team captain and rated as the best lineman on this team.

I don't even know why I even bother to argue in this thread. It is so out of the realm of possibility that it is a non-issue, ranking right up there with a Willis-McKillop controversy.

I swear some of these threads get started just to set you off, Dog. On this subject you are a never ending source of amusement!
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OKC49erFan:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
While Adam Snyder was clearly the main weak link of a bad O-Line, I think Eric Heitman was also a weak link and has been the last few years. I would like to see the team at least consider moving Baas to center a posistion he played some at Michigan and a lot of teams and scouts had Baas projected as a better center than OG coming out of Michigan.

Sign a solid vetran LG and a O-Line of Staley-Vetran OG-Baas-Rachal-Bulaga (or another draft pick) looks pretty good.

You ARE kidding?

Aren't you?

Seriously?

Do you truly believe Eric Heitmann is the weak link in the offensive line?

For real?



I have read some of your other posts and you seem like a reasonably knowledgeable guy but this I don't get at all. You CAN"T be watching the same games I am. Please go to the thread I put up this morning on the OL play-by-play analysis of the Ram game. Read through it as you re-watch the tape of the game, if you recorded it. When you are finished come back and report.

Heitmann is f**king awful dude. Why the hell do you think we're trying other people out at center!? HAHA

So Solari can decide who is the best to back up Heitmann. I thought that was obvious.

You are plowing the sea, my friend. There are way too many stupid people (about 5 on this board) who actually think that Heitmann (ONCE AGAIN EVERYONE, THERE ARE TWO "N" LETTERS IN HEITMANN) is a problem, and will be replaced.

I'm still looking for one sportswriter, coach, scout, analyst who thinks Heitmann is a problem. From every report I read last year (I can't tell you how many I've linked on just this thread alone), he was our top OL. However, there are still people out there (once again, just a handful) that think the earth is square.


Well everyone has a right to their opinion and I know you love Heitmann, but calling people stupid? Dude, your not a football god. I respect your opinion and your big board and while I disagree with a lot of what you say, I do not say your stupid.

It doesn't take a god to know that Heitmann is a better player than Baas. It takes any form of common sense.

Please read any of the 1000 links I have placed on this thread, or in the "Eric Heitmann is a Good Football Player" thread. Read from the experts for follow this team, who speak to coaches, scouts, GM's, other players, if you think I am delusional. You will not find one supporter for your position.

I know this is a stunningly difficult concept to follow, but why would the team elect Heitmann as the offensive captain all these years if he was so replaceable, especially by a guy who is going to lose out to a rookie from Idaho? A guy who is so respected by the organization that they offer him a low tender offer of 1.2 million, FOR ONE YEAR.

Lookie at this article from two days ago from MM (you can fill in the blank with any of the other beat writers, if you wish): If Baas is demoted to a backup role, he would likely have to be available to be the backup center, as well as play both guard spots, [i]to have a chance to be one of the 45 players to suit up on game days. That is why showing his versatility this offseason might be vital for him to make a contribution this season.[/i]

This means that Baas is going to be a utility player, at best. Heitmann isn't going anywhere.

We are not playing fantasy football here, and you can't project Baas' play at center from six years ago against a guy who is the perennial team captain and rated as the best lineman on this team.

I don't even know why I even bother to argue in this thread. It is so out of the realm of possibility that it is a non-issue, ranking right up there with a Willis-McKillop controversy.

I swear some of these threads get started just to set you off, Dog. On this subject you are a never ending source of amusement!

You must be right! It's a play to see me burst a blood vessel in my brain.
I sense a conspiracy.

P.S. Dat ole Daveed Bass, he be a gud plaiyer, and dat Erek Hiteman, he cahnt plai gud at ahl. Eye sahw Bass plai at Mishigan, an he wuz duh beast plaiyer on duh fild eght yeers ugo, so eye no he cahn starrt.

Cheirs.
[ Edited by MadDog49er on May 20, 2010 at 7:37 PM ]
So... we moved Baas to center. And as it happens, he didn't look half bad out there. At least not by my count. What did you guys think of Baas today? I'd say he was one of my pleasant surprises of the morning.
I for one do not think Heitmann sucks but Baas is IMO a better drive blocker and as Plummer showed in Gore's big runs, it was his blocks that made the runs and as I recall at one time Baas was mauling guys at the right guard spot. I think injuries had a lot to do with his play but when healthy, he is a good player. To infer that Baas is a nobody just to boost Heitmann who is a good player makes me think that I prefer my own opinions then listen to pompous popoffs. I don't think Baas being better in one area makes Heitmann lousy but to say Baas sucks because Heitmann is your claim to fame is nonsense. Rachal is the guy who seems klutzy. He is a strong run blocker but he runs stiff legged and almost immobile side to side. I think that leads to a lot of problems with pass blocking. I thought it a bit odd that Wragge could not beat Rachal out last year. De La Puente may replace him if Rachal can't improve. I think Boone could do better then Rachal. I find it amusing that Boone may be too good to be put in at guard now after his first impression as a rookie but he just may be needed too much as a tackle. I think Boone showed he could play with the ones as if it is some law that it is the one and only true test of competence.
We saw Boone look good as a socalled noob against scrubs so was worthless but now he is deemed left tackle worthy and looked good doing it.