Originally posted by OnTheClock:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by GEEK:Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by GEEK:Originally posted by OnTheClock:
If I recall.. the only reason Baas played center some of his senior year was due to an injury to Michigan's starting center.
Let's not make this about Heitmann.. Okay, nevermind, it's too late for that.
I see a lot of people angry with MD. That's fine, but I'm seeing people make remarks saying he's "bashed" players that I never have recalled MD saying were bad players -- such as Vernon, Alex, Crabtree, etc... Now, Brooks -- yeah, off on that one. So if you're going to attack, at least make it legitimate instead of throwing out falsehoods to try and strengthen your argument.
Heitmann has indeed been praised by analysts at times, that is a fact.
However, my personal take? Heitmann has been solid but unspectacular. A better guard than Baas yes, but we just don't have any better options. We don't have any great prospective Centers on the roster, nor are there really any available. Pro Bowl centers don't grow on trees.
Could we upgrade over Heitmann? Sure. But the left and right guard spots have played the worst. I'd get talent there first.
Also it's been reported that Heitmann played at a near pro-bowl level when we had guys like Larry Allen at LG and Justin Smiley/David Baas at RG.
Just because you plug one hole doesn't mean the bottle isn't going to leak with two holes next to it.
Upgrade the LG and RG play quality (either coaching or players), and you basically upgrade the whole unit.
I still find it odd that Larry Allen and the inside of our Offensive Line began playing poor when Heittman became the starting Center, which was 2007. Our front 3 have been weak ever since.
I just feel that the Center's faults are hidden much more. Most Defenses play a front 4 which usually means Heittman must help someone somewhere yet repeatedly has the defense easily sipped through the gaps on either side of him. This wasn't an issue when Newberry was Center. The only issue when Newberry was Center was Kwame Harris.
So, you don't think it's a coincidence that the middle of our Line began playing like crap, even Larry Allen, AFTER Heittman became the starter?
As for who can we put there who is better? You don't know until you try and other players should be tried at that spot to see if they are more comfortable at that position similar to Barry Simms going from the gutter at RT to top level type of play at LT.
Didn't Heitmann start at center in 2006?
I give up. I seriously need a better prescription or I'm moving my eyes up one line as they move across the row. Looked at it 3 times before and still got 2007 and looked at it now and you're right.
Well, props to Heittman for starting 2006, but we still couldn't get the short yardage that year.
Yeah. And again, there's a reason Heitmann isn't moving. It's no coincidence that Heitmann does exceptionally well when he goes one on one against nose tackles when we play 3-4 teams (such as the New York Jets, cited by MD). You mentioned issues when he has to help against 4-man fronts. That tells me our guards aren't doing their jobs, and that it's not him missing assignments. It's my opinion that he's not having any sort of bad play masked (at least most of the time) if he has proven to display great work in 1 on 1 against 3-4 teams, yet our guards have performed poorly regardless.
When we go up against 3-4 teams don't the guards chip block the NT? I do believe they do. And then the guards pick up a blitz or stay on to help. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't we strugle more against 4-3 teams then 3-4 teams? I'm working straight off of memory there, but if I remember correctly most pressure came from a blitz down the middle against a 4-3 front. So in those cases heitmann is the one missing blocks while the guards are locked on to someone. That would put heitmann in space vs a blocker, limited space but still space. And as MD has pointed out via our sport writers, that's when he struggles the most.
As for MD on other players
Battle- per MD he is our best WR (before crabtree came in)...
Crabtree- per MD he will never be a 49er, and all the writers are retarded sell outs being paid off by the 49ers for saying he will eventually
Brooks- per MD he is a waste of a player and should not have a roster spit anywhere in the NFL, thi player is garbage
Sopoaga- Per MD, everyone who Doesnt know how to spell his name is retarded, per MD it is spelled Soapoaga
A Smith- per MD he will be decent but not with the niners after 2008
those are the comments MD has made that I remember, I don't recall a commen about VD though...
One more thing back to Heitmann. If you go back and check I do believe we run the ball better when Wragge was at center (and Baas came into the game at guard) back in the day. Wragge and Baas are mailers and improved the ypr