Originally posted by DertyDonahue:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Hmm, if only the team gave out some kind of award for the best lineman.
Huh? What's that? You say they do give out such an award? The Bobb McKittrick award? And David Baas won the award for the 2009 season? Why you don't say?!
The Bobb McKittrick award is given annually to the 49ers offensive lineman who best represents the courage, intensity and sacrifice displayed by the longtime offensive line coach, during his 21 years of service to the 49ers. The award was established by the 49ers in 1999, and is voted on by the offensive line.
Good for Baas winning the award, but it doesn't mean he's a starting caliber player.
GEEK you straight up admitted he was drafted to BE the Center.
You're right that an award don't mean bubkis, but this team has NEVER even attempted to put him there. The way Hymen is playin I say that it's about time we knock off the horse hockey and get him in there AS the Center. If he fails at it we STILL have Hymen and Wallace.
So, are we waiting for?
What do you mean "admit"? It's a fact. But that doesn't mean plans change, and you get reallocate a player to a new position.
The reason why the 49ers aren't putting him at center is because WE DON"T NEED HIM TO PLAY CENTER. Drill that into your damn head. Singletary, McCloughan, and 99% of the fan base know that Heitmann is a good player, and the long-term starter at the position. With 2 backups that play center with Wragge and Wallace, we have NO NEED TO PUT BAAS AT CENTER.
Really we don't need him at Center? Cause why? Cause Hymen is such a stalwart at the position?
BS! If his name was Kwame Harris you would be having fun at his expense. If his name was Baas you'd be agreeing that he's not smart enough to do the job.
All cause hymen broke his f'n leg.
Well I tried to find footage of Hymen the Vunderschentre's stellar protection of Smith in '07. But unfortunately I couldn't find it. It;s just one of the MANY times in where a Defender blows right by the guy.
If anyone has it, it would be greatly appreciated. Cause it's spot on how bad Hymen is. I only look for that one cause it SHOULD be a feature of a Shattle fans highlight film. But nada. I went to Google, Photobucket and YouTube. No luck.
So please send it to me if you have it.
In any case, Hymen is not all that. He blows protection assignments making our Line look rediculous(like they need any help in that regard) he gets blown by on the snap and alot of times looks absolutely lost.
You can't say he doesn't cause the Igglets were standing him up without contact. That just should NEVER happen to even an Average Center.
Heitman (hymen as you refer to him) is not the only OL to blow an assignment. In fact, if you looked to the right and left, you'd see a few culprits. There is an overall lack of consistency on the OL, partly due to injury, partly due to young players with a slower learning curves, and partly (arguably) due to poor OL coaching. I don't discount that Baas could be a good center, better than Heitman (then again maybe not, there is only one way to really find out), but let's see what we pick up and lose this off-season via the draft and FA before calling for a serviceable veterans job. Myself, as a Niners fan, wants dominant players at every position. We aren't there yet. Maybe we could wait until OTA's and training camp when we would be able to see if our arguments/judgement are valid or ostentatious.
Never said he was the only guy. I think that if you went through what I did say you'd find that I stated taht guys were playing out of their natural positions, missing blocks as a result. And while Hymen did have to help out either Guard one (Baas) was due to injury more than anything.
However all that said Mr. Geni still called the wrong scheme on more than a few occasions, so it could be said also that not only did he blow his own assignments but that of the unit and had to recover from that by assisting the Guards.
It's funny that what we do not hear could have an impact on how the Guards and the rest of the Line plays. Do you remember the Jennings blow up in '06? Where JJ was going after Nolan? I think that it had to do with him getting his ass chewed for missing an assignment. I'd hazard a guess that Hymen blew the assignment and that JJ didn't appreciate getting his ass chewed over it. Allen was shockingly enough quite calm about it. This is the guy that bout handed Cortez his helmet with his head still strapped snugly inside it.
I understand that blocks get missed. I'm not heartless. But I do not accept inferior play from the Center when he is applauded as one of the top Linemen in the league. Especially when I've seen otherwise. It was his missed block that cost Smith 2 years of his career. Maybe it was for the best. Maybe not. We won't know til the next season. But me I'm sick an tired of seeing people stick up for the weak spot on the Line and blame those around him. I agree they have not played well. But I feel that his protection calls are a big part of that, and it affects not only the Line but the QB's blitz pickup.
And as I said about Wallace, he got looks at Center not Guard. teams don't give you ANY time at Center if their goal is to make you a Guard. It's insane to think otherwise. This is the 4th time now that I've said something about this.
I want new Linemen like everyone else. But let's face it that's NOT happening. We may get a Tackle. But it still takes Linemen(unless they are Orlando Pace) 3 years to get to where they get it. So we will still have a problem if Foerster is either let go, or he pulls his head out of his crack and fixes the line with some creativity.
Sims(LT), Rachal(LG) Baas or Wallace(C) Heitmann (RG), Staley (RT)
Snyder as much as I can't stand him as a starter fills in okay in a short Pinch.
An I mean SHORT. No extended time for that guy if we can help it.
The time to do this is Minis through to Preseason 1st team Defenses. No the Defenses aren't going to throw everything at them but it will get them some confidence. If it doesn't work by 3rd game then slide Heitmann back over.
But if things work out like they did for Sims then hey maybe we had more than one guy playing out of position. Hell I woould handcuff Heitmann to both Wallace and Baas right from the 1st day of OTAs' and have him work with them on the protection calls. But hey what do I know, right?