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Hill is probably the shiftyest receiver we have and seems like he would make a good returner. Oh well.
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
should of kept rossum. I still think his departure is gonna hurt us more than anyone thinks.

There was never any reason for it. He didn't play badly. In fact he played well. singFRAUD now has one of our best players hurt on D. For no reason I might add. All could have been avoided if we kept a KR / PR which we had (and we had a good one). But we wanted to save roster spots for TASER guys and BENCHWARMERS.

That and playing a Guard over and over and over who has proven he can't pass block. Somebody please tell me why Bruce is out there? We bury Jason Hill on the bench for what reason? So this guy can play. He is slow and has too many drops. He's hit the end now.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Hill is probably the shiftyest receiver we have and seems like he would make a good returner. Oh well.

Something singFRAUD doesn't like about him. Like the same thing he doesn't like about Rossum (who was a good returner). Maybe they aren't "singetary GUYS."
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
What's really funny is that anyone would actually suggest that Nate Clements should return kicks. Yes.. lets have our starting corner risk injury and return kicks when he doesnt have the speed to take anything the distance anyway.

Coffee, Battle, whatever... I think the Niners have much more pressing worries like stopping Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub.

Maybe you don't understand the significance of field position in a football game. And I don't really want to hear about protecting a football player by not playing him in certain situations. Clements is a big man and he could handle the hits. He plays a physical style of football and he has proven to be a tough player. Plus he is the most dangerous return man on this team.

LOL OK Mr. Football expert. Ya.. its rocket science to understand the importance of field position.

Perhaps YOU do not understand that Clements has returned 1 - YES 1 - kickoff in the last 7 years. That went for a whopping 14 yards. The only year he really returned kicks was his rookie year and he averaged 20 yards. I just wonder how you call him the most dangerous kick off return man with that record. If he had Deion Sanders skills sure I would use him. However, he doesnt. WIth that in mind it would be foolish to risk him to injury.

I dont know for sure if Clements got hurt on punt returns today but this just reinforces what I said a couple of weeks ago in this thread. It was a stupid idea to ever suggest using Nate for returns. Hey Boomer... still like Nate as a returner?

Nate was the best return man we've had this year. He fielded the ball cleanly and put up good yardage on his returns. Yes, I would put him back there again. I believe he was hurt on a defensive play. And no, I wouldn't put Gore in to return kicks, but not because he's too valuable, but because I don't think he'd be very good at it.

Football is a violent game, but that doesn't mean that your best players shouldn't be on the field because you're afraid they will get hurt.

They are saying it was on a punt return...you don't put your #1 $80million dollar CB out as a kick returner. Dumb Dumb Dumb...and its going to cost us...imagine all he had to do is keep rossum or bring in another specialist and we wouldn't be in this hole...dumb.

Exactly. It was a stupid, moronic move to put your highest paid player as a punt returner when he isnt a game breaker in the role. Clements returned 31 yards on 4 punts - and got hurt and gone for the year.

If Nate Clements had Ted Ginn Jr ability to return kicks the reward would be worth the risk. The fact is... he doesnt. He was paid a LOT of money to be a shut down corner back on this team and not to be a mediocre punt returner. Oh.. thanks for the heads up Boomer that football is a violent game. I think thats our point.

You have to put you best players on the field. Rossum was our best return man and he was cut. Reggie Smith is injured, Hill is in the dog house, Battle can't field the ball. Who would YOU have put back there? Jones? He's so stupid he fields punts on the 2.

And I don't think you understand that it's a violent game. You can't design your game plan based on somebody might get hurt. If that's the case your QB should just go down when he sees the rush getting close, your RB should drop on first contact and your receivers should just step out of bounds before taking the hit. If return men are at a higher risk of injury, please show me the number of returners on IR right now.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Hill is probably the shiftyest receiver we have and seems like he would make a good returner. Oh well.

What's funny is that in preseason, a lot of people wanted him cut.

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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Hill is probably the shiftyest receiver we have and seems like he would make a good returner. Oh well.

What's funny is that in preseason, a lot of people wanted him cut.

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I don't. He's a gamer and runs very good routes. He'd be a perfect fit in this offense. I actually believe he should start over Morgan. Morgan just doesn't seem mature enough to be a starter yet.
Listen...Our $80 million man was injured fielding a punt today. He should not have been back there. Rossum is one of the greatest returners in history, and we cut him to have delanie walker, arnaz battle, nate clements, and brandon jones return kicks. Nate Clements is out. Think about that Arizona game down the line.....Uh Oh! Good move Singletary.
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Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Listen...Our $80 million man was injured fielding a punt today. He should not have been back there. Rossum is one of the greatest returners in history, and we cut him to have delanie walker, arnaz battle, nate clements, and brandon jones return kicks. Nate Clements is out. Think about that Arizona game down the line.....Uh Oh! Good move Singletary.

One of the greatest returners in history? Not even close. Rosum came to the league in 1998. Since then he's had 8 tds in 10 years returning kicks (both punts and kick offs). His average over that time frame is 10 yards per punt and 23.2 yards per kick. (He was only getting 7 yards a punt with us and 21.7 yards a kick).

Rossum was a strictly average returner who was hurt on his very first play with the Cowboys.
Originally posted by boomer49er:
"No returning: Tight end Delanie Walker, who returned four kickoffs in the Atlanta game, will not return kicks Sunday in Houston. That duty goes to rookie running back Glen Coffee."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/23/SP371A9GD8.DTL

So we replace the joke of having a TE as our primary return man, and replace him with.........a slow RB with very little movement. If we just want to find the biggest man to return the ball lets just put Joe Staley back there, he was a TE after all......

Guys we have on the team with return experience:

Nate Clements
Reggie Smith (great return man in college)
Arnez Battle


I mean come on, can we at least put a guy back there who has a chance to break one for a big gain?

Yup, putting Clements on punt returns worked real well for us didn't it.
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
What's really funny is that anyone would actually suggest that Nate Clements should return kicks. Yes.. lets have our starting corner risk injury and return kicks when he doesnt have the speed to take anything the distance anyway.

Coffee, Battle, whatever... I think the Niners have much more pressing worries like stopping Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub.

Maybe you don't understand the significance of field position in a football game. And I don't really want to hear about protecting a football player by not playing him in certain situations. Clements is a big man and he could handle the hits. He plays a physical style of football and he has proven to be a tough player. Plus he is the most dangerous return man on this team.

LOL OK Mr. Football expert. Ya.. its rocket science to understand the importance of field position.

Perhaps YOU do not understand that Clements has returned 1 - YES 1 - kickoff in the last 7 years. That went for a whopping 14 yards. The only year he really returned kicks was his rookie year and he averaged 20 yards. I just wonder how you call him the most dangerous kick off return man with that record. If he had Deion Sanders skills sure I would use him. However, he doesnt. WIth that in mind it would be foolish to risk him to injury.

I dont know for sure if Clements got hurt on punt returns today but this just reinforces what I said a couple of weeks ago in this thread. It was a stupid idea to ever suggest using Nate for returns. Hey Boomer... still like Nate as a returner?

Nate was the best return man we've had this year. He fielded the ball cleanly and put up good yardage on his returns. Yes, I would put him back there again. I believe he was hurt on a defensive play. And no, I wouldn't put Gore in to return kicks, but not because he's too valuable, but because I don't think he'd be very good at it.

Football is a violent game, but that doesn't mean that your best players shouldn't be on the field because you're afraid they will get hurt.

They are saying it was on a punt return...you don't put your #1 $80million dollar CB out as a kick returner. Dumb Dumb Dumb...and its going to cost us...imagine all he had to do is keep rossum or bring in another specialist and we wouldn't be in this hole...dumb.

Exactly. It was a stupid, moronic move to put your highest paid player as a punt returner when he isnt a game breaker in the role. Clements returned 31 yards on 4 punts - and got hurt and gone for the year.

If Nate Clements had Ted Ginn Jr ability to return kicks the reward would be worth the risk. The fact is... he doesnt. He was paid a LOT of money to be a shut down corner back on this team and not to be a mediocre punt returner. Oh.. thanks for the heads up Boomer that football is a violent game. I think thats our point.

You have to put you best players on the field. Rossum was our best return man and he was cut. Reggie Smith is injured, Hill is in the dog house, Battle can't field the ball. Who would YOU have put back there? Jones? He's so stupid he fields punts on the 2.

And I don't think you understand that it's a violent game. You can't design your game plan based on somebody might get hurt. If that's the case your QB should just go down when he sees the rush getting close, your RB should drop on first contact and your receivers should just step out of bounds before taking the hit. If return men are at a higher risk of injury, please show me the number of returners on IR right now.

Ya right Boomer. Only you are capable of understanding that football is a violent game

Obviously it is and a 5 year old can understand that. The fact that it IS violent, especially on returns, would make one hesitate to put their most expensive player as their kick returner ESPECIALLY when he isnt a game breaker in the role. As I have mentioned now over and over... if Clements was a true game breaker who could take it the distance any time he touched it I would not have had an issue with it. However, he isnt. I'm sorry but I just dont think a 7 yard return average is worth the risk.

You just cannot admit that the logic was flawed from day 1 and it backfired on the team. No.. you would never do that would you.
GOT KORY SHEETS?

[ Edited by prime21 on Nov 2, 2009 at 08:58:15 ]
Originally posted by prime21:
GOT KORY SHEETS?



BTW, has he done anything in Miami?
Our coaching staff is made up of a bunch of goons.
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Originally posted by prime21:
GOT KORY SHEETS?



BTW, has he done anything in Miami?

He'll be back with us.
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
Originally posted by prime21:
GOT KORY SHEETS?



BTW, has he done anything in Miami?

Um.. NO. In fairness, however, with Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown on the team I would think getting on the field will be just about impossible. AND.. I dont see him replacing Ted Ginn Jr anytime soon as the kick returner.

His stats (none) are as good as Pat White's though. White is 0-1 as a passer, 4 rushes for 2 yards as a runner, and the guy is inactive almost every game.