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Offensive post-game analysis (Week 5)

Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by jones49:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by taney71:

What points was Hill clutch? In actually games where he lead the team to game winning drives?

Washington game, Bengals game, Rams game, Arizona game, almost this time at Minnesota game to name a few.

The only time I recall Alex doing that was the Arizona game from '07.

Did you forget that naked bootleg against the Seahawks?

the Smith haters forget anything good he had ever done and only remember his mistakes.

Like I said I didn't forget. You may have forgotten that was Gore's best game though.

For the record, I don't think either is the answer, just think Hill is a better option after watching both guys play.

[ Edited by blunt_probe on Oct 11, 2009 at 17:13:39 ]
Originally posted by teeohh:
Bruce should have retired

True, but he also looks pretty pedestrian outside of the system in which he played more than 80% of his career.
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
If I've said this once I've said it a hundred times here.

Raye's playcalling is NOT the problem. He has to use what he's given and he HAS done this. He's used Davis and Walker and Martz hardly if EVER included them in his Offense. He runs the ball with Gore. Something that Martz didn't do very much of either.

The Receivers. If they could count on seeing the ball consistently deeper than 10-15 yards, I think they would start catching the ball more.

The OLine is it great? No. But they did get the job done over the previous 4 weeks. Only against the Rams and now the Falcons have they not been consistent.

There is a reason for the above issues NOT working properly.

Raye has to call Passing plays that are extremely limited. He can't open up the playbook because the guy under Center doesn't have a consistent arm.

The OLine has to protect him longer(still don't understand the 3 second drills in Camp) because he holds onto the F'n ball way too long. He's looking for the homerun pass.

The Receivers are going to CONTINUE to have issues holding onto his passes because they are getting their @$$3$ kicked in short yardage. The Opposing Defense sets up camp there and makes Hill beat their coverage. He RARELY does it, so they will continue to make him uncomfortable in the pocket and knock the Receivers around.

This is NOT new. This is something that has been happening since last season. Only people are so stoned on the Ws' they can't see straight.

And here I am shaking my head at how simple it really is. It's a team loss because it's a team sport. But one simple fix and things could be MUCH different.

~Ceadder

You have a point but i DISAGREE.. This guys calls runs on 8 man fronts... The niners are so predictable.....

HES GOT TO OPEN UP THE PLAYBOOK MORE AND STOP BEING SO CONSERVATIVE..

show some faith in ur offense..

But after today.... I see why he doesnt
This is my first post although I have been a reader for some time. I had my first season tickets in 69 but began following the Niners years before. That being said watching this game today was like having my testicles twisted. What it all comes down to in reality is this is as good as we are. For weeks now the hype and excitement has had most of us believing we are better than we actually are but today told us a lot. Until we have an offense, any offense our chances of becoming a playoff team are slim. Bruce is toast and Morgan is over rated and we need to get some speed in the lineup and we need it fast... I see Hill and Jones played some today and thats a beginning. With the Bye week next week I would like to see Hill and Jones take a majority of the snaps for the Texans with Crab working his way into the lineup. Unless defenses start taking our passing game seriously we are doomed to a 3 and out system. Sing needs to not be so hard headed about the run game and open things up. If S Hill can't get it done them we need to look at other options I for one would have put Alex in today. it couldn't have hurt one bit. Bottom line is we are stagnant, unimaginative and predictable and that doesn't say much for us for the future.
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by jones49:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by taney71:

What points was Hill clutch? In actually games where he lead the team to game winning drives?

Washington game, Bengals game, Rams game, Arizona game, almost this time at Minnesota game to name a few.

The only time I recall Alex doing that was the Arizona game from '07.

Did you forget that naked bootleg against the Seahawks?

the Smith haters forget anything good he had ever done and only remember his mistakes.

Like I said I didn't forget. You may have forgotten that was Gore's best game though.

For the record, I don't think either is the answer, just think Hill is a better option after watching both guys play.

Why not see how smith plays after a few years? Kind of ridiculous not giving him a shot after all this time.
Originally posted by Brazilian49er:
Third Down Efficiency - 4/14 - 28%

We haven't hit the 35% mark yet! Hooray!

lol..... sadly
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by jones49:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by taney71:

What points was Hill clutch? In actually games where he lead the team to game winning drives?

Washington game, Bengals game, Rams game, Arizona game, almost this time at Minnesota game to name a few.

The only time I recall Alex doing that was the Arizona game from '07.

Did you forget that naked bootleg against the Seahawks?

the Smith haters forget anything good he had ever done and only remember his mistakes.

Like I said I didn't forget. You may have forgotten that was Gore's best game though.

For the record, I don't think either is the answer, just think Hill is a better option after watching both guys play.

Why not see how smith plays after a few years? Kind of ridiculous not giving him a shot after all this time.

Singletary has already said Hill needs as many snaps as he can get. It makes no sense to take him out and kill his confidence.
I've got no problem w/ Hill in a caretaker type position for now. He's not gonna win a game for you if its all on his shoulders, but hopefully he won't lose too many. Seems like he was pressing today cause the D wasn't doing the job and it was on the O's shoulders to win the game, which proved too much for them and for him.

Irrespective of who's at QB for now, it seems obvious that the OL needs some changes. Rachal has been beaten consistently in all five games. Baas has been almost as bad. Pashos got beat today as well.

Time for some change. If the team will only go as far as the OL takes them, then they're not going very far with the OL as it is presently constituted.
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
Just got off the field, outside waiting for a cab and I thought I would throw down my thoughts real quick and feelings from the game.

-Field was very...flat at the beggining of the game and the Shaun Hill INT magnified that feeling it seemed, felt as though the game was lost right there.

-Shaun Hill was bad today, not just bad but horrible, terrible, inexcuseably sucky. Not only were his throws off the mark, he was constantly misreading coverages and throwing hot routes when not needed etc. I am no pro but I was personally astounded and how off his reads were of coverage, this may have been the worst QBing I have seen since Smith's rookie season.

-Our O-line needs a RT, Chilo to mature in his PBing, Baas to be replaced. We simply can not create any space at all and things will be on Hill's metaphoric shoulders to win us games and that is just not him.

-Defense was playing a weak coverage package and people were just not breaking to the ball other than Lawson and Willis, they both stood out for the better again. They brought no pressure today and Matt Ryan read them like a book.

-I thought Brooks was decent in his multiple snaps, I see him taking more and more time from Parys. Also it was very telling that demetric Evans was seeing so much time in front of Balmer, I did not see much from Evans and when Balmer was in he held the line well, IMO.

Those were my intial thoughts of things that really stood out to me today, I will add as I think of it. As a sidenote, Crabtree seemed very eager to go over the coverage pictures and ask coaches questions. Seems liked by his teammates and was in Morgans and Alex Smiths pocket for most of the game.

Also as a side note seemed like the Elephant on the sideline was Smith, energy felt as if Singletary was gonna lose his cool and put him in, I was surprised that he didn't a stayed with Hill to be honest.
Originally posted by jones49:
Originally posted by greywolf447:
Originally posted by jones49:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by alex2125:
Shaun Hill did not lose this game. He just did not do anything to win it.

For all his intangibles, Shaun Hill is not "The Guy" that some people claim him to be. If the defense is performing well, and the running game is performing well, then sure, Shaun Hill can "manage" the game. But if the other aspects of the team are failing, Shaun Hill cannot carry this team back.

Shaun Hill CAN "Not Lose A Game". Shaun Hill CANNOT go out and win a game. Especially against quality competition (Rams don't count).

I'm not saying that Alex Smith is the answer. I can no longer have a valid argument for him. I just hope the organization is not satisfied by having Shuan Hill carry us to the next level. We need to develop a young talented QB...Alex Smith, Nate Davis, or 2010 Draft pick.

Bingo. Hill isn't the answer.

This game was such a waste because Coach Mike wouldn't at least see what Alex Smith could do in the second half. Smith hasn't played in two years so let's get a look at him.

If we are gonna be anything this year it will be with Hill. If we start really dropping off, put Davis in. Smith had his chance and we all know exactly the outcome.

Ummm..... NO! We resigned him because someone in the front office still believes in him. I think we need to give the kid one more chance. If he doesn't performe we cut him next year and draft another QB and let the rook and Davis compete next year!

Who the f**k still believes in Alex? Well I guess someone somewhere still believes in Davis Carr.

Yep, it was offensive all right. Can't wait for Frank's return.
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by jones49:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by taney71:

What points was Hill clutch? In actually games where he lead the team to game winning drives?

Washington game, Bengals game, Rams game, Arizona game, almost this time at Minnesota game to name a few.

The only time I recall Alex doing that was the Arizona game from '07.

Did you forget that naked bootleg against the Seahawks?

the Smith haters forget anything good he had ever done and only remember his mistakes.

Like I said I didn't forget. You may have forgotten that was Gore's best game though.

For the record, I don't think either is the answer, just think Hill is a better option after watching both guys play.

Why not see how smith plays after a few years? Kind of ridiculous not giving him a shot after all this time.

Singletary has already said Hill needs as many snaps as he can get. It makes no sense to take him out and kill his confidence.

That statement/way of thinking makes no sense.
Originally posted by CheapThrill:
This is my first post although I have been a reader for some time. I had my first sexual activity in a 69 but I wanted it to begin years before. That being said watching this game today was like having my testicles twisted in the aforementioned 69. What it all comes down to in reality is this is as good as we are. For weeks now the hype and excitement has had most of us believing we are better than we actually are but today told us a lot. Until we have an offense, any offense our chances of becoming a playoff team are slim. Bruce is old as s**t and Josh "Its came down like a punt"Morgan is over rated and we need to get some speed in the lineup and we need it fast... I see Hill and Jones played some today and thats a beginning. With the Bye week next week I would like to see Hill and Jones take a majority of the snaps for the Texans with Crab working his way into the lineup (thats f**king retarded, I know). Unless defenses start taking our passing game seriously we are doomed to a 3 and out system. Sing needs to not be so hard headed about the run game and open things up. If S Hill can't get it done them we need to look at other options and put Davis in. it couldn't have hurt one bit. Bottom line is we are stagnant, unimaginative and predictable and that doesn't say much for us for the future.

FIXED.

[ Edited by jones49 on Oct 11, 2009 at 17:18:45 ]
This game was a complete TEAM loss. No one seemed like they wanted to give effort. When your best offensive plays are 1 big pass play to Morgan and a couple of runs by your slow game managing QB, things are really going bad.

And the speed difference between the teams was crazy. Roddy outruns our secondary and chases down Bly, and Morgan gets run down from behind when he had a decent lead.

Pathetic team effort. Hopefully Sing cancels everyones vacation plans and busts their a**es for 2 straight weeks.
Originally posted by SJniner7:
Originally posted by alex2125:
Originally posted by SJniner7:
Amazing the D gives up 45 points, and everyone is here bashing on Who? Only Hill... Did anyone notice our Oline giving up pressures and sacks to the second stringers?

That's what I'm saying. The D struggled today, the Oline struggled, and we were completely uncompetitive. The QB is the one person responsible to not go 3 and out.

We need to hold Hill accountable just as critical we were/are with Alex Smith. A Good QB would have found a way to be competitive, get 1st downs, keep drives alive, not throw balls into the ground.

Hill is accountable as well as many or ALL of his throws were off mark, but for the offensive thread to be 6-7 pages already, while the dfensive thread is 2 pages for giving up 45 points? It seems a little silly...

Its because this game is uncharacteristic to this point for our defense. However, Shaun Hill has consistently been just ok to average to mediocre. His average QB performance have been masked by winning a few games.