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Offensive post-game analysis (Week 5)

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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Hill and the offense sucked today, could not execute anything on offense, LOL, am I ready to jump ship.....ABOSLUTELY NOT!!!!! The whole offense looked out of sync, our O-line beaten constantly, Hill passing the ball like hes never seen game time before, no running game, receivers dropping passes, games like this happen. But in the end, I'm not even that upset at this loss, we still have a lot of football to play this season, what's a matter you guys think we couldn't lose like this??


I agree the whole team sucked , Hill played like he always does
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by taney71:

Great logic. Why even have Alex Smith on the team if there are so many haters?
What exactly is he going to do if given time? He plays at best on the same level as Hill.

They play on the same level???

Hill-dinks and dunks, can't throw down field, can't throw a spiral, Receivers have been heard comparing Hill's passes to "coming down like a punt", can hand the ball off
Smith-spreads the ball, inconsistant, happy feet, can get the ball down field, can throw a tight spiral, can throw the dink and dunks that Hill does, can hand the ball off.

If you ask me they are close to the same level. Both QB will manage a game when winning or the game is close. but in a blow out like today Smith clearly gives you the best chance to get some points.

Yeah they both struggle, except Hill can actually pull something out of his ass sometimes. I think my blunt analysis is pretty spot on.

Where's the analysis?
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by DonJulio:
Originally posted by jones49:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by alex2125:
Shaun Hill did not lose this game. He just did not do anything to win it.

For all his intangibles, Shaun Hill is not "The Guy" that some people claim him to be. If the defense is performing well, and the running game is performing well, then sure, Shaun Hill can "manage" the game. But if the other aspects of the team are failing, Shaun Hill cannot carry this team back.

Shaun Hill CAN "Not Lose A Game". Shaun Hill CANNOT go out and win a game. Especially against quality competition (Rams don't count).

I'm not saying that Alex Smith is the answer. I can no longer have a valid argument for him. I just hope the organization is not satisfied by having Shuan Hill carry us to the next level. We need to develop a young talented QB...Alex Smith, Nate Davis, or 2010 Draft pick.

Bingo. Hill isn't the answer.

This game was such a waste because Coach Mike wouldn't at least see what Alex Smith could do in the second half. Smith hasn't played in two years so let's get a look at him.

If we are gonna be anything this year it will be with Hill. If we start really dropping off, put Davis in. Smith had his chance and we all know exactly the outcome.


Did Smith have a chance? That's highly debatable

There has been a lot of revisionist history when it comes to Alex Smith.

30+ starts. Other than arm strength, what does he do better than Hill? And he overthrows is targets by 10 yards so even thats a wash. Hes on the roster in a emergency event. If Davis was further along, he would be waived. Its kinda like the Tim Couch vs. Kelly Holcomb situation. They both sucked but Holcomb was the lesser of 2 evils. Same with Hill.
Originally posted by SJniner7:
Amazing the D gives up 45 points, and everyone is here bashing on Who? Only Hill... Did anyone notice our Oline giving up pressures and sacks to the second stringers?

That's what I'm saying. The D struggled today, the Oline struggled, and we were completely uncompetitive. The QB is the one person responsible to not go 3 and out.

We need to hold Hill accountable just as critical we were/are with Alex Smith. A Good QB would have found a way to be competitive, get 1st downs, keep drives alive, not throw balls into the ground.
Turning point in this game came when the offense got no points after Michael Lewis's fumble recovery. They punted and Ryan hit Roddy White on that long TD.
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by taney71:

Great logic. Why even have Alex Smith on the team if there are so many haters?
What exactly is he going to do if given time? He plays at best on the same level as Hill.

They play on the same level???

Hill-dinks and dunks, can't throw down field, can't throw a spiral, Receivers have been heard comparing Hill's passes to "coming down like a punt", can hand the ball off
Smith-spreads the ball, inconsistant, happy feet, can get the ball down field, can throw a tight spiral, can throw the dink and dunks that Hill does, can hand the ball off.

If you ask me they are close to the same level. Both QB will manage a game when winning or the game is close. but in a blow out like today Smith clearly gives you the best chance to get some points.

Yeah they both struggle, except Hill can actually pull something out of his ass sometimes. I think my blunt analysis is pretty spot on.

Where's the analysis?

I said blunt didn't I?
Both suck, except Hill can be clutch at some points.

[ Edited by blunt_probe on Oct 11, 2009 at 17:00:22 ]
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Originally posted by DesiDez:
Turning point in this game came when the offense got no points after Michael Lewis's fumble recovery. They punted and Ryan hit Roddy White on that long TD.

To be fair I thought it had more to do with Clements and his woeful positioning myself.
Originally posted by jones49:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by DonJulio:
Originally posted by jones49:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by alex2125:
Shaun Hill did not lose this game. He just did not do anything to win it.

For all his intangibles, Shaun Hill is not "The Guy" that some people claim him to be. If the defense is performing well, and the running game is performing well, then sure, Shaun Hill can "manage" the game. But if the other aspects of the team are failing, Shaun Hill cannot carry this team back.

Shaun Hill CAN "Not Lose A Game". Shaun Hill CANNOT go out and win a game. Especially against quality competition (Rams don't count).

I'm not saying that Alex Smith is the answer. I can no longer have a valid argument for him. I just hope the organization is not satisfied by having Shuan Hill carry us to the next level. We need to develop a young talented QB...Alex Smith, Nate Davis, or 2010 Draft pick.

Bingo. Hill isn't the answer.

This game was such a waste because Coach Mike wouldn't at least see what Alex Smith could do in the second half. Smith hasn't played in two years so let's get a look at him.

If we are gonna be anything this year it will be with Hill. If we start really dropping off, put Davis in. Smith had his chance and we all know exactly the outcome.


Did Smith have a chance? That's highly debatable

There has been a lot of revisionist history when it comes to Alex Smith.

30+ starts. Other than arm strength, what does he do better than Hill? And he overthrows is targets by 10 yards so even thats a wash. Hes on the roster in a emergency event. If Davis was further along, he would be waived. Its kinda like the Tim Couch vs. Kelly Holcomb situation. They both sucked but Holcomb was the lesser of 2 evils. Same with Hill.

30 plus starts. A bunch during his rookie year on a VERY BAD TEAM. Second year improved a ton. Third year got hurt three games in and then Nolan said he was fine when he wasn't. Remember any of that?
Just got off the field, outside waiting for a cab and I thought I would throw down my thoughts real quick and feelings from the game.

-Field was very...flat at the beggining of the game and the Shaun Hill INT magnified that feeling it seemed, felt as though the game was lost right there.

-Shaun Hill was bad today, not just bad but horrible, terrible, inexcuseably sucky. Not only were his throws off the mark, he was constantly misreading coverages and throwing hot routes when not needed etc. I am no pro but I was personally astounded and how off his reads were of coverage, this may have been the worst QBing I have seen since Smith's rookie season.

-Our O-line needs a RT, Chilo to mature in his PBing, Baas to be replaced. We simply can not create any space at all and things will be on Hill's metaphoric shoulders to win us games and that is just not him.

-Defense was playing a weak coverage package and people were just not breaking to the ball other than Lawson and Willis, they both stood out for the better again. They brought no pressure today and Matt Ryan read them like a book.

-I thought Brooks was decent in his multiple snaps, I see him taking more and more time from Parys. Also it was very telling that demetric Evans was seeing so much time in front of Balmer, I did not see much from Evans and when Balmer was in he held the line well, IMO.

Those were my intial thoughts of things that really stood out to me today, I will add as I think of it. As a sidenote, Crabtree seemed very eager to go over the coverage pictures and ask coaches questions. Seems liked by his teammates and was in Morgans and Alex Smiths pocket for most of the game.
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by taney71:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
Originally posted by taney71:

Great logic. Why even have Alex Smith on the team if there are so many haters?
What exactly is he going to do if given time? He plays at best on the same level as Hill.

They play on the same level???

Hill-dinks and dunks, can't throw down field, can't throw a spiral, Receivers have been heard comparing Hill's passes to "coming down like a punt", can hand the ball off
Smith-spreads the ball, inconsistant, happy feet, can get the ball down field, can throw a tight spiral, can throw the dink and dunks that Hill does, can hand the ball off.

If you ask me they are close to the same level. Both QB will manage a game when winning or the game is close. but in a blow out like today Smith clearly gives you the best chance to get some points.

Yeah they both struggle, except Hill can actually pull something out of his ass sometimes. I think my blunt analysis is pretty spot on.

Where's the analysis?

I said blunt didn't I?
Both suck, except Hill can be clutch at some points.

Remind me. What points? I am not being an ass. Just want to know.
Originally posted by taney71:


Remind me. What points? I am not being an ass. Just want to know.

I just stated it. What's hard not to get.

[ Edited by blunt_probe on Oct 11, 2009 at 17:04:32 ]
If I've said this once I've said it a hundred times here.

Raye's playcalling is NOT the problem. He has to use what he's given and he HAS done this. He's used Davis and Walker and Martz hardly if EVER included them in his Offense. He runs the ball with Gore. Something that Martz didn't do very much of either.

The Receivers. If they could count on seeing the ball consistently deeper than 10-15 yards, I think they would start catching the ball more.

The OLine is it great? No. But they did get the job done over the previous 4 weeks. Only against the Rams and now the Falcons have they not been consistent.

There is a reason for the above issues NOT working properly.

Raye has to call Passing plays that are extremely limited. He can't open up the playbook because the guy under Center doesn't have a consistent arm.

The OLine has to protect him longer(still don't understand the 3 second drills in Camp) because he holds onto the F'n ball way too long. He's looking for the homerun pass.

The Receivers are going to CONTINUE to have issues holding onto his passes because they are getting their @$$3$ kicked in short yardage. The Opposing Defense sets up camp there and makes Hill beat their coverage. He RARELY does it, so they will continue to make him uncomfortable in the pocket and knock the Receivers around.

This is NOT new. This is something that has been happening since last season. Only people are so stoned on the Ws' they can't see straight.

And here I am shaking my head at how simple it really is. It's a team loss because it's a team sport. But one simple fix and things could be MUCH different.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by Envy:
Originally posted by DesiDez:
Turning point in this game came when the offense got no points after Michael Lewis's fumble recovery. They punted and Ryan hit Roddy White on that long TD.

To be fair I thought it had more to do with Clements and his woeful positioning myself.

Actually, IMO, Clements had great position but it was a great throw and play by Roddy- sorta like the Farve/Greg Lewis play. Still clements had a bad game overall along with everybody else.

Ryan's throw was perfect.
The whole offense sucked/sucks
Originally posted by alex2125:
Originally posted by SJniner7:
Amazing the D gives up 45 points, and everyone is here bashing on Who? Only Hill... Did anyone notice our Oline giving up pressures and sacks to the second stringers?

That's what I'm saying. The D struggled today, the Oline struggled, and we were completely uncompetitive. The QB is the one person responsible to not go 3 and out.

We need to hold Hill accountable just as critical we were/are with Alex Smith. A Good QB would have found a way to be competitive, get 1st downs, keep drives alive, not throw balls into the ground.

Not gonna defend Hill on this one but our O is a mess. Our right side of the line is complete joke. Pashos Chilo and Sims should all be on the street. Raye O cannot handle any situation where we need to score alot of points. If the D is off, game over.