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are you saying Raye's predictable screens (what is about 20 a game) are what is slowing down, making Hill a free target to opposing defenders that seem to blow right on past and through our OL? Causing Hill to throw the ball when receivers are no where near ready? Really? Is that what you are saying?
I agree....there is no confidence in Hill.
Do you honestly think that we'd be throwing so many screens if we had a QB with a better arm under Center? Shoot I bet we're working with maybe a quarter of Raye's Offensive playbook. If that.
Martz had the same QB and make him look like the second coming.
He made him look like the second coming at a time when NO TEAM had film on him. That's due to not being a Starter in his previous years in the NFL. A whopping total of what 2 quarters of play? Mostly handing off the ball?
Now teams KNOW that he's the Starter they have taken the time to dissect his game and what he is or ISN'T going to do in certain situations. And more and more we are seeing EXACTLY what he was to begin with. A Backup. No more no less.
But hey if it makes you feel better, keep telling yourself the same old lies that has fooled most of the fans.
BTW, Hill had already started in a few games in 2007.
Those are not lies, they are facts. Great OCs develop their players. If you don't wanna talk about Hill, how about Warner, Green, Kitna, etc.
I'm sorry but Raye is a joke.
It's a combination of things. With Martz, Hill was a decent QB. With Turner, Smith was a decent QB. With Raye, Hill is a horrible QB. The combo just isn't working. Maybe if we had Tom Brady, Raye's system would be working. We don't. Something has to give.
To me the problem remains the same: crappy OC.
2006 - Norv Turner - a MUCH less talented team, that moved the ball a lot better.
2007 - Jim Hostler - a better than than the one Norv's coached, and he still managed to field one of the wors offenses in league history.
2008 - Mike Martz - Moved the ball pretty darn well, despite the sacks.
2009 - Jimmy Raye - Virtually the same team Martz had, and a 2007-type offense.
Now, I know logic is not in high demand in Niner Talk, but when I look at tha picture, I see one variable that leads to different results.
The only person on that list that had a motivated Larry Allen, a Justin Smiley and a healthy Jonas Jennings is Norv Turner.
Fair enough. Still, Martz didn't have neither of them and still fielded our best O in years.
Under Martz, the 49er's where unstoppable from our twenty to the opponents 40. After that, the petered out big time. So it's not fair to say it was our best O in years, because in the end...they where ranked 23nd in ypg and 22nd in points per. Those number's don;t suck as much a s 2007 Hostler, however, they still suck and I (myself, personally) would not be making claims about it being one of our best offenses in years because....one stunk a little less than the other, but they both stunk ass big time.