Offensive post-game analysis (week 4)

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Thought Davis had a mixed game. Some good, some bad. Many are tending to forget a number of issues in this game. He finally had a ball picked (the ball was slightly underthrown) after two others should have been picked earlier in the game. Against first teamers, it probably would have been four picks in the last two games, so he's got to be careful.

At the same time, his TD pass to Hill was very nice, and he's showing good awareness under pressure.

I think we can all see that under the center, he's simply not as comfortable or effective as in the shotgun.

I tend to think he's massively overrated by the majority of the board at this point. He's a good looking prospect, but the kid has a long ways to go. He's not ready to play against first team defenders.

Very good post MadDog. I think he should sit & learn the offense this year & get alot of reps against our 1st team defense in practice. He should be ready to compete for a job next summer if he is groomed right & continues to show progress.

Originally posted by 9inermaniac:
The only thing that was positive tonight was that we were wearing the correct jerseys

everything else looked horrible. I hope that preseason is not a strong thing for HILL. He better turn his game play around or its going to be a long year.

Hill is what he is...a career back up and nothing more than a short term fix. If Smith doesn't come along, we have to draft a big time college QB and start over. Davis is okay, but he looks to be a long term project, and we have one of those already.

Originally posted by nothing03:

Originally posted by B650:
He has looked pathetic in the preseason, but, I think he'll be OK once the season starts. We'll see. I feel a lot better knowing that Nate Davis lurks on the bench. Also, Hill threw for 2,000+ yards last season in 9 games. If you change that into 16 games, you're looking at a 3,600 yard QB. Not bad. He deserves a chance to start. Off to the desert...

One word Mike Martz. On Jimmy Rayes offense the 3,600 hundred yards are just day dream he might not even finish as the 49ers QB at the end of the season.

Raye had an offense that Elvis Grbac threw for over 4,000 (4169 to be exact)yards in. You guys might want to look towards the oline and QB play to figure out why we are struggling. Rayes offenses have historically been pretty good, and usually consist of power running setting up the play actions deep. Now here is where the trouble begins, can Hill capitalize on that deep play action? I am not convinced that he can, especially after seeing how terrible he has looked so far this preseason. I am willing to wait and see how things play out in the regular season, but I hope we do not waste too much time getting one of the other QB's in there if Hill is going to play at the same level. Everything being equal, Smith is probably a better choice if Hill isn't going to outplay him, which he hasn't.

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Thought Davis had a mixed game. Some good, some bad. Many are tending to forget a number of issues in this game. He finally had a ball picked (the ball was slightly underthrown) after two others should have been picked earlier in the game. Against first teamers, it probably would have been four picks in the last two games, so he's got to be careful.

At the same time, his TD pass to Hill was very nice, and he's showing good awareness under pressure.

I think we can all see that under the center, he's simply not as comfortable or effective as in the shotgun.

I tend to think he's massively overrated by the majority of the board at this point. He's a good looking prospect, but the kid has a long ways to go. He's not ready to play against first team defenders.

Very good post MadDog. I think he should sit & learn the offense this year & get alot of reps against our 1st team defense in practice. He should be ready to compete for a job next summer if he is groomed right & continues to show progress.

He does well avoiding the rush. A couple times I remember it seemed like he had eyes in the back of his head. That's something that is nearly impossible to coach, and it's something that Smith rarely shows, stepping up in the pocket and finding the open man.

Davis has alot of intangibles, but still has alot of work to do, imo.

Good post Brian.

While I agree with many of the negative comments (due to my bias against smash mouth run-run offense), it is the preseason and we'll have to waite for a few weeks to really see what S. Hill and company can do in real games.

The positives? We have upgraded our WR possition, the O-Line looks decent even without adding a RT, Coffee is a keeper, N. Davis is promising...must be something else?

The negatives? Playcalling was really weak, NO PASS RUSH, inconsistent passing game.

Some of the negatives are preseason things to be expected but the lack of a pass rush should be seen as a continuation from the past few years. Those who clammored for a high pick pass rush specialist are looking pretty good right now.

[ Edited by dtg_9er on Sep 5, 2009 at 21:24:08 ]

i'm not as worried about our offense as i am about our defense.

i think we're going to be able to run the ball effectively and we know shaun hill can move the chains. not saying he's going to pass for 4,000 yards or we're putting up 30 points per game but the offense will be ok.

the defense looks like dog s**t. or i should say the defensive line/lb's. one sack in 4 games? pathetic.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Thought Davis had a mixed game. Some good, some bad. Many are tending to forget a number of issues in this game. He finally had a ball picked (the ball was slightly underthrown) after two others should have been picked earlier in the game. Against first teamers, it probably would have been four picks in the last two games, so he's got to be careful.

At the same time, his TD pass to Hill was very nice, and he's showing good awareness under pressure.

I think we can all see that under the center, he's simply not as comfortable or effective as in the shotgun.

I tend to think he's massively overrated by the majority of the board at this point. He's a good looking prospect, but the kid has a long ways to go. He's not ready to play against first team defenders.

I wouldn't want to make excuses for Nate's play (within the intention that he cannot do any wrong, given the hype of his recent performance), but most of those "bad" plays weren't entirely his fault. Some looked like common rookie mistakes, and some looked like another guy just trying to avoid a horrible pocket collapse (some of the decisions he made, he had no real choice in).

What we witnessed last night was one of the WEAKEST scrub o-lines in all of pre-season (maybe even 49ers pre-season history), there was absolutely no RT/Center on the field almost, and Nate was getting rushed up the ass on every play. -For what Nate had to deal with it's just a wonder that he managed to lead a TD drive in the 2nd quarter (seeing in all our run game went into a complete dumpster after half-time).

Towards the entire second half Nate was having to throw to guys he never even practiced with, that never had any chance of making the team beyond camp-fodder fill-in spots (guys that didn't get more than 5 reps a practice).

The 'almost" interception Nate threw came from Price failing to finish his route, Nate trusted him to be there and Price's chubby legs decided to take a vacation. -As for the "shotgun discomfort", he looked average (but not distorted), Nate looked pretty calm and cool (as we pretty much went with the shotgun during that entire 2nd quarter TD drive). -This can be fixed easily with extended reps.

Same goes for the final play of the game, that INT was one of those freaky 'once in a lifetime' plays. That FB should have caught that ball, but instead he gave up possession, if fell out, bounced off another guy, and some other dude JUST HAPPENED to be in the right place at the right time to grab it (in mid-air) and end the game.

Again, I'm not making excuses (merely just observations), but I do agree, Nate needs to ride the bench, I felt like we were pushing him a little to fast to learn the offense (via the wristband) last night.

-Overall though, you can't deny that this guy has probably the best arm on our team (and more potential than Alex Smith), and we can't really judge Nate until he's facing a first squad D, BUT on an equal note we also cannot judge Nate's performance until he (himself) is surrounded by a number one offensive squad.

-Nate managed pretty well with Jason Hill and Delanie Walker/Finley, but I doubt even Tom Brady could've done much with Barry Sims/Wallace/Boone on his o-line, and Maurice Price/Chris Francies as his WR core.

[ Edited by SnakePlissken on Sep 5, 2009 at 11:06:34 ]

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Thought Davis had a mixed game. Some good, some bad. Many are tending to forget a number of issues in this game. He finally had a ball picked (the ball was slightly underthrown) after two others should have been picked earlier in the game. Against first teamers, it probably would have been four picks in the last two games, so he's got to be careful.

At the same time, his TD pass to Hill was very nice, and he's showing good awareness under pressure.

I think we can all see that under the center, he's simply not as comfortable or effective as in the shotgun.

I tend to think he's massively overrated by the majority of the board at this point. He's a good looking prospect, but the kid has a long ways to go. He's not ready to play against first team defenders.

Just what I would expect from the zone. Everybody always goes apes**t over our back-up QBs whether it was Dorsey, or Pickett, or JTO'turnovers, or Dilfer, or Huard, any former college QB we now have at RB or WR, and now Nate Davis. I wish I could be the next QB to get on the 49ers roster. My name would instantly set the webzone on fire with whispers of comparisons to Montana and Young, before I ever even had to throw a football on TV.

I've been a critic of Raye's playcalling, but i believe that this time he made some good adjustments.

I like what i saw in that he ticked up the aggressiveness a notch. He went with a couple empty backfield and 4 WR sets.

He seemed more willing to put the ball in Shaun's hands.

And there were no Taser formations and WTF play calls. Hats off

-9fA

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Way too many runs on first down. I hope he was reserved because we're only playing the rams. For a chance to beat ATL we need to open up this offense a little bit.

Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
I've been a critic of Raye's playcalling, but i believe that this time he made some good adjustments.

I like what i saw in that he ticked up the aggressiveness a notch. He went with a couple empty backfield and 4 WR sets.

He seemed more willing to put the ball in Shaun's hands.

And there were no Taser formations and WTF play calls. Hats off

-9fA

I like all of those but John Lynch was right about Shaun Hill. Hill has shown he takes care of the football and deserves to be let loose more. Besides, we need to quit trying to run the ball up the middle so much.

Passing game looked pretty good when we were given a chance to throw.

Oline is still bad.

Raye was a never going to do a complete 180 on his whole philosophy.

What i liked was that he showed the willingness to adjust and be creative. I do agree that there are still some issues but for the most part, i thought he did well.

-9fA

[ Edited by 9erfanAUS on Oct 4, 2009 at 16:57:51 ]

The only reason we win games is because of defense/special teams. our quarterback cant get 200 yards, and our running backs cant eclipse 100. I pray to God our defense plays like this all season, because without it we wont win many games against good teams. It has NOTHING to do with Raye adjustments.