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Should Hill Really be our starter?

Should Hill Really be our starter?

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
This should be renamed the double standard post...All of you guys, or most of you are excusing Hill for making the same mistakes Smith made. It is sad and ridiculous that some of you even try to deny this. In the one game that both got near equal snaps, Smith looked more accurate and more in command of the huddle. You guys say Smith is inaccurate, but Hill wasn't even getting the ball close enough for the wide outs to drop. I am seriously praying that this is just a product of preseason and not the true Hill we're seeing... or maybe it's the curse of Joecools praise.

Hill played exactly how I thought he would, inconsistent and conservative. It takes Hill more than a quarter to get things going with him, once he settles down and finds his rhythm is where he takes control of his game. But even though Smith may have played or looked better than Hill at times, he still did not do enough to win the job or set the world on fire with his play, his injury also did not help him. And whether you support Smith or Hill or both, you simply can't deny that.

This is the main reason why he's our starter. When he doesn't get settled in and takes control, he is no different than an ultra conservative Alex Smith but Hill has the plus side of taking over the game.
Who else do we have??? A.Smith?
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Originally posted by Jersey9er:
Actually, yes he should. We know I'm an avid smith supporter, however, Hill was chosen as the starter, irregardless of too what degree he should or shouldn't be, really doesn't matter at this point. I honestly want hill to play at least from 9-11 games if not the whole season barring injury. Soo many believe in hill, that I say let him show it to us. If all else fails I think they'll bring in smith, and If he wins a few to finish the season they will do him as they did hill, except he'll start next year and they will appoint him the starter if we have the same o.c. and company. And if he sucks, his contract will be up and sooooo long kid. Hill will probably still be our backup and Davis will be our starter.

But as I said before. Hill should be our starter just to shut critics up and see if he'll be that diamond in the rough playmaker, that gets us to the playoffs at least, or a journeyman only good enough to get it done when all else fails.

Will be a interesting ride this year anyway. If this year does fail, at least we can't say the Yorks with all their bs didn't light a little fire and intrigue in us fans this season

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My sentiment exactly.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
This should be renamed the double standard post...All of you guys, or most of you are excusing Hill for making the same mistakes Smith made. It is sad and ridiculous that some of you even try to deny this. In the one game that both got near equal snaps, Smith looked more accurate and more in command of the huddle. You guys say Smith is inaccurate, but Hill wasn't even getting the ball close enough for the wide outs to drop. I am seriously praying that this is just a product of preseason and not the true Hill we're seeing... or maybe it's the curse of Joecools praise.

Hill played exactly how I thought he would, inconsistent and conservative. It takes Hill more than a quarter to get things going with him, once he settles down and finds his rhythm is where he takes control of his game. But even though Smith may have played or looked better than Hill at times, he still did not do enough to win the job or set the world on fire with his play, his injury also did not help him. And whether you support Smith or Hill or both, you simply can't deny that.

This is the main reason why he's our starter. When he doesn't get settled in and takes control, he is no different than an ultra conservative Alex Smith but Hill has the plus side of taking over the game.

All I am saying is that if he continues to play like he has, no excuses. Bring in Smith, who even you Smith haters would have to agree played better than Hill against the raiders. I have yet to see Hill take over a game, I have seen him manage games, which is fine with me as long as we win those games, but he is not the kind of QB that takes over a game. Hell, I would be ecstatic if he just beat a playoff team, something Smith has done. I agree that Smith didn't do enough to take the job from Hill to this point, but he also didn't play against Dallas, and seeing how our oline is still crappy at pass blocking, I am kinda happy he didn't. I do not think Smith is ready to jump back in there after such a long layoff due to injury, so I have to pin my hopes on Hill just like the rest of you. Hill should have looked miles better than Smith if he is a great as some of you claim and Smith is so bad, especially after his injury and not playing for 18 months, yet it was a close competition. My main problem is how inaccurate Hill has suddenly become, he is floating passes that aren't even deep ones and missing open receivers by a mile. You guys would have Smith hung on the cross by now if it was him performing like this. For example the missed screen to Coffee in the Raiders game, how was it any worse than the missed pass to Coffee in the Cowgirls game?


Once again I blame you Joe for cursing him just like you did JTO...



Not until he changes his number.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
This should be renamed the double standard post...All of you guys, or most of you are excusing Hill for making the same mistakes Smith made. It is sad and ridiculous that some of you even try to deny this. In the one game that both got near equal snaps, Smith looked more accurate and more in command of the huddle. You guys say Smith is inaccurate, but Hill wasn't even getting the ball close enough for the wide outs to drop. I am seriously praying that this is just a product of preseason and not the true Hill we're seeing... or maybe it's the curse of Joecools praise.

Hill played exactly how I thought he would, inconsistent and conservative. It takes Hill more than a quarter to get things going with him, once he settles down and finds his rhythm is where he takes control of his game. But even though Smith may have played or looked better than Hill at times, he still did not do enough to win the job or set the world on fire with his play, his injury also did not help him. And whether you support Smith or Hill or both, you simply can't deny that.

This is the main reason why he's our starter. When he doesn't get settled in and takes control, he is no different than an ultra conservative Alex Smith but Hill has the plus side of taking over the game.

Exactly!!! Hill is not just gonna look like an All-Pro by coming into the Preseason playing spot duty. Hill is the kind of QB that needs a sense of rhythm a feel for the game, proving that he can throw a couple of nice passes in Preseason is meaningless to me. If that meant something to the coaches or me Cody Pickett would be starting right now. His play in the regular season will speak for him, that's where his good or bad play will rightfully be judged.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
This should be renamed the double standard post...All of you guys, or most of you are excusing Hill for making the same mistakes Smith made. It is sad and ridiculous that some of you even try to deny this. In the one game that both got near equal snaps, Smith looked more accurate and more in command of the huddle. You guys say Smith is inaccurate, but Hill wasn't even getting the ball close enough for the wide outs to drop. I am seriously praying that this is just a product of preseason and not the true Hill we're seeing... or maybe it's the curse of Joecools praise.

Hill played exactly how I thought he would, inconsistent and conservative. It takes Hill more than a quarter to get things going with him, once he settles down and finds his rhythm is where he takes control of his game. But even though Smith may have played or looked better than Hill at times, he still did not do enough to win the job or set the world on fire with his play, his injury also did not help him. And whether you support Smith or Hill or both, you simply can't deny that.

This is the main reason why he's our starter. When he doesn't get settled in and takes control, he is no different than an ultra conservative Alex Smith but Hill has the plus side of taking over the game.

Exactly!!! Hill is not just gonna look like an All-Pro by coming into the Preseason playing spot duty. Hill is the kind of QB that needs a sense of rhythm a feel for the game, proving that he can throw a couple of nice passes in Preseason is meaningless to me. If that meant something to the coaches or me Cody Pickett would be starting right now. His play in the regular season will speak for him, that's where his good or bad play will rightfully be judged.

Same thing coulda been said bout Alex Smiff.
Doesn't really matter, just about any QB can hand the ball off
Originally posted by Nes49:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
This should be renamed the double standard post...All of you guys, or most of you are excusing Hill for making the same mistakes Smith made. It is sad and ridiculous that some of you even try to deny this. In the one game that both got near equal snaps, Smith looked more accurate and more in command of the huddle. You guys say Smith is inaccurate, but Hill wasn't even getting the ball close enough for the wide outs to drop. I am seriously praying that this is just a product of preseason and not the true Hill we're seeing... or maybe it's the curse of Joecools praise.

Hill played exactly how I thought he would, inconsistent and conservative. It takes Hill more than a quarter to get things going with him, once he settles down and finds his rhythm is where he takes control of his game. But even though Smith may have played or looked better than Hill at times, he still did not do enough to win the job or set the world on fire with his play, his injury also did not help him. And whether you support Smith or Hill or both, you simply can't deny that.

This is the main reason why he's our starter. When he doesn't get settled in and takes control, he is no different than an ultra conservative Alex Smith but Hill has the plus side of taking over the game.

Exactly!!! Hill is not just gonna look like an All-Pro by coming into the Preseason playing spot duty. Hill is the kind of QB that needs a sense of rhythm a feel for the game, proving that he can throw a couple of nice passes in Preseason is meaningless to me. If that meant something to the coaches or me Cody Pickett would be starting right now. His play in the regular season will speak for him, that's where his good or bad play will rightfully be judged.

Same thing coulda been said bout Alex Smiff.

You mean Alex Smith 90% of the time looking like a deer in headlights and then has that 10% occasional drive against uber prevent defense or 11 guys going after Frank Gore on PA.
Shaun Hill should be the starter.

That said, if Alex truly is "done," then we are completely set back IMO. We will have to draft yet ANOTHER QB next draft or the draft after next and basically start over.

Lets be honest, Shaun Hill will lead us to 9-7 for the next 4 years IMO. I love the guy, but he's not taking us to the Super Bowl or deep into the play offs. We'll be a Wild Card, maybe divisional winner once but thats it. I dont see us getting past the Giants, Packers, Vikings, or any other NFC "power house." I'm sorry. Shaun maybe "better" than Alex but if any of you believe we're going 12-4 with Shaun...stop lying to yourself.

Personally, I say let Alex start...see what he can do. If he fvcks up and we start 0-2 or something...put Shaun in and release Alex in the off-season. Better to know now than later or let Alex go somewhere else and maybe do well. But thats just Madden talk so I'll stop.
You mean Shaun Hill and his "noodle" who would be a "back up", not a starter on the other 31 otherNFL teams out there?

Oh wait, I take that back.... he probally could start in Denver too.

The biggest asset Hill has going for him is his "mental make-up".

His physical overall Q.B. skills are simply average at best, especially his well documented "noodle arm".
Originally posted by BigMar:
You mean Shaun Hill and his "noodle" who would be a "back up", not a starter on the other 31 otherNFL teams out there?

Oh wait, I take that back.... he probally could start in Denver too.

The biggest asset Hill has going for him is his "mental make-up".

His physical overall Q.B. skills are simply average at best, especially his well documented "noodle arm".

tell me, what do you know about the game of football?

also, did you watch any 9er games last year?

on more thing.....if you don't mind me asking.....how old are you?

also...I think it is finally time for the zone to add an "ignore feature" to the forums... I think EVERYONE would love it.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by BigMar:
You mean Shaun Hill and his "noodle" who would be a "back up", not a starter on the other 31 otherNFL teams out there?

Oh wait, I take that back.... he probally could start in Denver too.

The biggest asset Hill has going for him is his "mental make-up".

His physical overall Q.B. skills are simply average at best, especially his well documented "noodle arm".

tell me, what do you know about the game of football?

also, did you watch any 9er games last year?

on more thing.....if you don't mind me asking.....how old are you?

also...I think it is finally time for the zone to add an "ignore feature" to the forums... I think EVERYONE would love it.

LOL.... "ignore feature"

Have you ever tried just not responding, but of course not
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
This should be renamed the double standard post...All of you guys, or most of you are excusing Hill for making the same mistakes Smith made. It is sad and ridiculous that some of you even try to deny this. In the one game that both got near equal snaps, Smith looked more accurate and more in command of the huddle. You guys say Smith is inaccurate, but Hill wasn't even getting the ball close enough for the wide outs to drop. I am seriously praying that this is just a product of preseason and not the true Hill we're seeing... or maybe it's the curse of Joecools praise.

Hill played exactly how I thought he would, inconsistent and conservative. It takes Hill more than a quarter to get things going with him, once he settles down and finds his rhythm is where he takes control of his game. But even though Smith may have played or looked better than Hill at times, he still did not do enough to win the job or set the world on fire with his play, his injury also did not help him. And whether you support Smith or Hill or both, you simply can't deny that.

This is the main reason why he's our starter. When he doesn't get settled in and takes control, he is no different than an ultra conservative Alex Smith but Hill has the plus side of taking over the game.

Exactly!!! Hill is not just gonna look like an All-Pro by coming into the Preseason playing spot duty. Hill is the kind of QB that needs a sense of rhythm a feel for the game, proving that he can throw a couple of nice passes in Preseason is meaningless to me. If that meant something to the coaches or me Cody Pickett would be starting right now. His play in the regular season will speak for him, that's where his good or bad play will rightfully be judged.


Since when has Hill Needed a rythym??? He has always just came off the Bench and did well. And calling Preseason "SPOT DUTY" when he was trying to win a starting job is just nonsense. Come on man, i hope he does well, but if he continues to stink it up like he was all Preseason long, with MAYBE the exception of The Broncos game, He will not remain as the starter for long.
ugh, i really hope shaun hill looks good against the Cards