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Offensive post-game analysis (week 3)

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I believe our offense is conservative and hopefully we are not that way in the regular season. We have a good running game and need to take some shots down the field. yes the OL is not fully healthy but where is Morgan, Hill who played well in Martz Offense last year
Originally posted by nflguy49:
Originally posted by AkNiners:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by susweel:
No its bad QB play and bad O line play. Along with bad offensive play calling. Martz made the offense look good, I think he will be missed. This play calling looks very Hostlerish. I hope I'm wrong though, I don't wonna watch another s**tty season.

No, we won't miss Martz one bit. Remember the Cardinal game last year we should have if Martz weren't such a moron? Taking 30 seconds to call a timeout, not having the right personnel on the field, or how about the Miami game when he didn't have VD, blocking Porter when he had all but relegated VD to a blocking role throughout the season.

I was as happy to see Martz go as I was to see Nolan go, they both suck.

Wasn't Sing the coach for that debacle? I

Yes. Somehow he escapes criticism for it.
Yup I have a feeling that our offense and pass rush D would suck this year. On Jimmy Rayes offense I don't sense any creativity or so whatever hope I am proven wrong but based on what I see it might happen, Pls. no Hostler 2.0
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by GhostofJimmyDean:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Chief:
I really can't blame Hill at all, our starting receivers got zero separation and the oline looked like complete s**t.

Our entire starting offense looked bad.

Defense play well but still lacked pass rush.

Haha, and there it is... hypocrisy at it's finest. It's all Alexcuses if the OL or receivers fail to do their job... but somehow legit reasons for Shaun Hill's lackluster accomplishment.


When Hill starts being a liability during the regular season like Smith has in the past then you can compare the two.

Other than his rookie season, when was Smith a liability? He had a decent season in 06 and the Niners were 2-1 when he went down in 07 (one of those wins being a drive he engineered to beat the Cardinals). If you mean he was a liability when he had a separated shoulder than I agree. Otherwise, no. I admit he was only sporadically a game-changer, but to say he was a liability is just revisionist history.

Right on

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
People are pointing fingers of blame at Hill, but the real problem is the OL. That was a bad performance by the first team (although the RT was a 3rd stringer and LG was a 2nd teamer).

Chilo has got to step up his game. Simply not very good yesterday.

OL was not good but like A.Smith, NO HILL EXCUSES-some of his throws were just terrible
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
With all the blitzs Dallas was bring tonight, I thought our Oline did ok. Sure Hill's pocket was small, but he had time to throw. In fact, it's because of this game I started thinking maybe the problem is our receivers and not Hill, since there was plenty of time for him to get rid of the ball, but he didn't on a number of occasions.

Rachal has been inconsistent.

When Hill did have time to throw, his passes were off target, that could be on the receivers. These same arguments for why Hill shouldn't be judged so harshly didn't wash when they were applied to Smith, and this is a better team than Smith got to start on. All these asses that were/are so hard on Smith should realize the hypocrisy, Hill has looked every bit as pedestrian as Smith.

man i loved how sheets launched over everybody for a TD then pulled about 4 defenders with him to the get another TD
Originally posted by linkboy:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Ok, I tried to be positive about Hill, but come on people. He looked terrible again tonight, we need QB help. At this rate, I would just as soon have Smith in, at least he throws to the receivers. Our offensive line needs to figure out pass blocking asap or it won't matter who is taking snaps though.

Totally agree, Hill is a backup, not a starter. Smith should be the starter.

Based on what? Nothing.

Based on the fact he throws to the receivers and is more accurate than Hill has looked thus far. Not saying he is great, but Hill has looked really bad so far. You guys slam Smith for his inaccuracy but Hill is doing even worse.

Shaun Hill was getting terrible pass protection all day long. How can you step up in the pocket when Jay Ratliff and Demarcus Ware are right in your face.

So when Smith gets destroyed by a lack of an o-line its an excuse, but when it happens to Hill its not.

I see.

The offense looked like sh*t for one reason, and one reason only. The playcalling was absolutely atrocious. From the blocking assignments, to the routes being ran, all the way down to the simplicity of the running plays.

Hell, I knew what plays they were gonna run before they did, so I'm sure Dallas did.

I wouldn't overreact yet. Save that for week 3 if the team is still not putting things together, and the play calling hasn't improved.

Final conclusion:

Pre season is a f*cking joke, and a huge waste of time!
[ Edited by P-52ENFORCER on Aug 30, 2009 at 10:04 AM ]
Originally posted by P-52ENFORCER:
The offense looked like sh*t for one reason only. The playcalling was absolutely atrocious. From the blocking assignments, to the routes, all the way down to the running plays.

I wouldn't overreact yet. Save that for week 3 if the team is still not putting things together.

Pre season is a joke!

While true, there still has to be, by the 3rd preseason game, some sense of the offense coming together, its not happening.
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Ok, I tried to be positive about Hill, but come on people. He looked terrible again tonight, we need QB help. At this rate, I would just as soon have Smith in, at least he throws to the receivers. Our offensive line needs to figure out pass blocking asap or it won't matter who is taking snaps though.

Totally agree, Hill is a backup, not a starter. Smith should be the starter.

Based on what? Nothing.

Based on the fact he throws to the receivers and is more accurate than Hill has looked thus far. Not saying he is great, but Hill has looked really bad so far. You guys slam Smith for his inaccuracy but Hill is doing even worse.

Shaun Hill was getting terrible pass protection all day long. How can you step up in the pocket when Jay Ratliff and Demarcus Ware are right in your face.

No one seemed to accept that as a reason when bashing Smith for his spotty play. This team has more talent than any team Smith ever started for as well, I do not do double standards, if it was bad for Smith to do, it is the same for Hill...no more Alexcuses or Hillusions.

nice
Originally posted by AkNiners:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by susweel:
No its bad QB play and bad O line play. Along with bad offensive play calling. Martz made the offense look good, I think he will be missed. This play calling looks very Hostlerish. I hope I'm wrong though, I don't wonna watch another s**tty season.

No, we won't miss Martz one bit. Remember the Cardinal game last year we should have if Martz weren't such a moron? Taking 30 seconds to call a timeout, not having the right personnel on the field, or how about the Miami game when he didn't have VD, blocking Porter when he had all but relegated VD to a blocking role throughout the season.

I was as happy to see Martz go as I was to see Nolan go, they both suck.

Wasn't Sing the coach for that debacle? I

Yeah, Sing was the coach and as such deserves some of the blame. However, I do think that he gave Martz a wide berth, as long as Martz didn't play JTO and stopped the 20 yard crossing routes that took forever. We'll never know whose neck to hang those games around.

I wish I still had it on the DVR. I would love to replay it and try to figure out exactly what went on...

The fact that Martz is not coaching in the league speaks volumes about him. He was told a couple of days after the season that he wasn't wanted by the 49ers and had all off season to land somewhere else.
Originally posted by GhostofJimmyDean:
Originally posted by DaveWilcox:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Ok, I tried to be positive about Hill, but come on people. He looked terrible again tonight, we need QB help. At this rate, I would just as soon have Smith in, at least he throws to the receivers. Our offensive line needs to figure out pass blocking asap or it won't matter who is taking snaps though.

Totally agree, Hill is a backup, not a starter. Smith should be the starter.

Because Smith's superb play and amazing feel for the game was undeniable during the preseason.

Better than Hill's


The niners seem to be running the ball well again. The o line may need to cheat in order to give the QB time to throw.
They sure used a lot of screens last night. Haven't they ever played Madden? Don't they know that screens never work?

Seriously, though. I read somewhere this morning that a lot of the WR corp were exhausted from all the two-a-days, and that they had lost a step or two. I think it was Morgan who said he could run a 4.38 generally, but right now, because of all the hard work in training camp, that his legs felt like jelly. So, hopefully, by the start of the season, the team will get a step back and recuperate some energy.
FYI

Rankings after 3 preseason games:
Offense:
- scoring: 19.3 (12th)
- yards/per game: 328.7 (12th)
- passing: 158.0 (30th)
- rushing: 170.7 (1st)

Defense:
- scoring: 16.3 (12th)
- yards/per game: 321.0 (16th)
- passing: 219.7 (20th)
- rushing: 101.3 (14th)

Sacks: 49ers (1), Opponents (8)

But here is a great stat Turnovers: 49ers (1), Opponents (8). I think Singletary's desire to force more turnovers is coming into fruition.