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Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Originally posted by teeohh:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Quote:
Do you think play-calling would be much different if Mike Johnson were OC?

Matt Maiocco: One 49ers source: "He'd be more aggessive."

i think he will be the oc next season

+1

Once again our OC merry-go-round!!!

I hate to say it and can't believe I am, but lets stick with Raye and Smith one more year. There will be a lot of time to crown Mike Johnson.

I agree. Raye should stay for atleast one more year. However, in my opinion, Mike Johnson is the OC of the future for the 49ers. If there's one area that Mike Singletary can improve over former HC Mike Nolan, it is to have a plan for the future.

Honestly, Raye has adjusted OK during the season, IMO, he just needs to work on balance. I don't think he has been any worse than what Hostler has shown, that alone should merit another year. But also, lets not put ALL the blame on Raye either, injuries to both offense and defense has hurt this team too. And another thing to point out, shoot, Raye did well enough to make me an Alex Smith fan, so that's gotta count for something.
Originally posted by Mospeed:
I'd trade him for Jim Hostler any day.



oh my gosh..
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Originally posted by teeohh:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Quote:
Do you think play-calling would be much different if Mike Johnson were OC?

Matt Maiocco: One 49ers source: "He'd be more aggessive."

i think he will be the oc next season

+1

Once again our OC merry-go-round!!!

I hate to say it and can't believe I am, but lets stick with Raye and Smith one more year. There will be a lot of time to crown Mike Johnson.

I agree. Raye should stay for atleast one more year. However, in my opinion, Mike Johnson is the OC of the future for the 49ers. If there's one area that Mike Singletary can improve over former HC Mike Nolan, it is to have a plan for the future.

Honestly, Raye has adjusted OK during the season, IMO, he just needs to work on balance. I don't think he has been any worse than what Hostler has shown, that alone should merit another year. But also, lets not put ALL the blame on Raye either, injuries to both offense and defense has hurt this team too. And another thing to point out, shoot, Raye did well enough to make me an Alex Smith fan, so that's gotta count for something.

Tulini, 1st , thanks for posting this, or i would have missed it.
Mospeed, your comment implies that you were no where near here during the inept, incompetent reign of HOSE , that we all had to suffer thru. He singlehandedly snagged the "worst coach at any position on any team" of the yr award. The guy wasn't bad , he was pathetic, and has no business in the nfl.

Re: mike johnson, between a new ( and in most cases OC incompetence) OC every yr, and putrid QB coaches(HOSE came from there to OC under nowin noln), MJ is about as bright a spot as we have on this team. I admire bigMike, but as a HOF LB and motivational speaker. As HC, he needs some more seasoning, and needs to be promoted the way all other coaches were. He had no Offensive training(and needs to spend at least 3 yrs observing that as an asst OC), and no D training as DC, where he could use a couple yrs as asst DC, then DC, say 2-3 yrs, before becoming HC. It doesn't make sense to assume bigMIke could step up from LB coach to HC, and know all the stuff he was supposed to know, without previous needed preparation for the job. He is short on D knowledge as DC and has no O knowledge from an OC or asst OC perspective.

That said, his apptmt of jimmyrae as OC was wise in that no one else would want to "steal" jimmyrae away from us. As far as a good OC, well, look at our playcalling, and you have seen a guy who is far short of what we need. Mike johnson has "paid his dues", has been a huge factor in our not needing a QB with a high draft pick, and has made a monster change in the qB development, esp of alex.

As someone noted before, it took 5 yrs to realize that the #1 pick in the draft 5 yrs ago, who played and excelled in a spread offense, run from the shotgun, was the best way to play alex. That is unconscionable, but yet that's what lilmikeynoln was responsible for...the ruining of a #1 pick at qB. MJ has helped reverse that, in addition to receivers getting the bug in HCs ear that alex should be running the spread out of the gun, and that was what caught bigMIke's ear...also he realized his short term as HC was on the rocks.

I am a fan of bigMIke's , but he will not become a fair or even good coach, until he "pays his dues" as DC somewhere, and forces himself to listen to the OC comments, and studies O. In the meantime, promoting MJ to OC will help big mike keep his job a bit longer, but i don't see us becoming true contenders until we get a HC who has the experience and bona fides. He was a reach, and an improvement. We need to do better yet. In no circumstance would i let MJ go, and not promoting him to OC condemns this team to the mediocrity it has displayed the past 5-6 yrs.

True, we would have yet another OC for the 8th straight yr, but this time it would be an exceptional QB coach who the qBs already know and trust. Nobody could have said that about any other OC in last 8 yrs , and that includes Norv, who walked around with a sign on his back, "I want HC job"...which he got in SD. Bigmike, PROMOTE MJ.
Paso...I think youre on target WRT Singletary. I like many things about him...but you're right, he's way behind every coach he goes up against on Sundays, and it shows. Raye needs to stay on as OC...he's ticked off most of this forum repeatedly, but is showing he can be flexible and that's what we need now. It makes good sense Johnson is his heir apparent...when that happens, there won't be this big learning curve for the players...they'll already know him.
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
I really want Hill to start bc he just makes TD drives happen, but if this guy can really prepare both of them to be successful then let the best man win the job



lol!!
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Tulini, 1st , thanks for posting this, or i would have missed it.
Mospeed, your comment implies that you were no where near here during the inept, incompetent reign of HOSE , that we all had to suffer thru. He singlehandedly snagged the "worst coach at any position on any team" of the yr award. The guy wasn't bad , he was pathetic, and has no business in the nfl.

Re: mike johnson, between a new ( and in most cases OC incompetence) OC every yr, and putrid QB coaches(HOSE came from there to OC under nowin noln), MJ is about as bright a spot as we have on this team. I admire bigMike, but as a HOF LB and motivational speaker. As HC, he needs some more seasoning, and needs to be promoted the way all other coaches were. He had no Offensive training(and needs to spend at least 3 yrs observing that as an asst OC), and no D training as DC, where he could use a couple yrs as asst DC, then DC, say 2-3 yrs, before becoming HC. It doesn't make sense to assume bigMIke could step up from LB coach to HC, and know all the stuff he was supposed to know, without previous needed preparation for the job. He is short on D knowledge as DC and has no O knowledge from an OC or asst OC perspective.

That said, his apptmt of jimmyrae as OC was wise in that no one else would want to "steal" jimmyrae away from us. As far as a good OC, well, look at our playcalling, and you have seen a guy who is far short of what we need. Mike johnson has "paid his dues", has been a huge factor in our not needing a QB with a high draft pick, and has made a monster change in the qB development, esp of alex.

As someone noted before, it took 5 yrs to realize that the #1 pick in the draft 5 yrs ago, who played and excelled in a spread offense, run from the shotgun, was the best way to play alex. That is unconscionable, but yet that's what lilmikeynoln was responsible for...the ruining of a #1 pick at qB. MJ has helped reverse that, in addition to receivers getting the bug in HCs ear that alex should be running the spread out of the gun, and that was what caught bigMIke's ear...also he realized his short term as HC was on the rocks.

I am a fan of bigMIke's , but he will not become a fair or even good coach, until he "pays his dues" as DC somewhere, and forces himself to listen to the OC comments, and studies O. In the meantime, promoting MJ to OC will help big mike keep his job a bit longer, but i don't see us becoming true contenders until we get a HC who has the experience and bona fides. He was a reach, and an improvement. We need to do better yet. In no circumstance would i let MJ go, and not promoting him to OC condemns this team to the mediocrity it has displayed the past 5-6 yrs.

True, we would have yet another OC for the 8th straight yr, but this time it would be an exceptional QB coach who the qBs already know and trust. Nobody could have said that about any other OC in last 8 yrs , and that includes Norv, who walked around with a sign on his back, "I want HC job"...which he got in SD. Bigmike, PROMOTE MJ.

What exactly are you thanking me for?
More bright young coaches, less retreads and old hacks.
IE: More Mike Johnson less, Jerry Sulivan, Jimmy Raye, Greg Forester!
Originally posted by global_nomad:
I really would like to see this guy move up in the ranks. I know when Singletary hired Raye it was in hopes that Mike Johnson would one day take over the continuity of the offense. This guy has the personality, teaching, and knowledge to make our currently constructed team play better in my opinion.

“I tell the quarterbacks, ‘If you do something on the field that is not technically sound and I haven’t put you through that drill, that’s my fault,’” Johnson said. “As soon as I put them through that drill, they become accountable.”

Johnson, 42, is considered one of the game’s bright young coaches...(In 2008) He visited Ohio State, where he spent time with coach Jim Tressel and quarterbacks coach Joe Daniels, his former mentor at Akron. He also met with Ron Zook’s staff at Illinois. Johnson sees Illinois’ spread offense as the most applicable to the NFL game because of the Illini’s ability to run the ball successfully.

“Mike has everything it takes to be a successful coordinator or head coach in the NFL,” said Oregon State coach Mike Riley, the man Johnson calls his greatest coaching influence.

QB 101


During his time as quarterbacks coach for the Atlanta Falcons in 2001, Johnson helped develop the run-happy Vick into a Pro Bowl passer. Following the firing of head coach Dan Reeves, interim head coach Wade Phillips made Johnson the offensive play caller for the Atlanta Falcons for the final two games of the 2003 season. In those games, Vick and the Falcon’s offense performed tremendously. This included a 30 point performance against the Buccaneers and a 21 point contest against the Jacksonville Jaguars, two teams renown for their stingy defenses. In the Tampa Bay contest, Vick posted a 119.2 quarterback rating, his second highest of the season.
QB Coach MJ

Looking back, it was probably a knee-jerk reaction to think MJ would be the OC this season.

That being said, what was true was that I could not fathom what the hell Raye was thinking when he called some of those plays. I willing to bet that was a big part of why we lost some games.

I hope he gets more creative this year.

But I still think MJ will be the OC next season.
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by global_nomad:
I really would like to see this guy move up in the ranks. I know when Singletary hired Raye it was in hopes that Mike Johnson would one day take over the continuity of the offense. This guy has the personality, teaching, and knowledge to make our currently constructed team play better in my opinion.

“I tell the quarterbacks, ‘If you do something on the field that is not technically sound and I haven’t put you through that drill, that’s my fault,’” Johnson said. “As soon as I put them through that drill, they become accountable.”

Johnson, 42, is considered one of the game’s bright young coaches...(In 2008) He visited Ohio State, where he spent time with coach Jim Tressel and quarterbacks coach Joe Daniels, his former mentor at Akron. He also met with Ron Zook’s staff at Illinois. Johnson sees Illinois’ spread offense as the most applicable to the NFL game because of the Illini’s ability to run the ball successfully.

“Mike has everything it takes to be a successful coordinator or head coach in the NFL,” said Oregon State coach Mike Riley, the man Johnson calls his greatest coaching influence.

QB 101


During his time as quarterbacks coach for the Atlanta Falcons in 2001, Johnson helped develop the run-happy Vick into a Pro Bowl passer. Following the firing of head coach Dan Reeves, interim head coach Wade Phillips made Johnson the offensive play caller for the Atlanta Falcons for the final two games of the 2003 season. In those games, Vick and the Falcon’s offense performed tremendously. This included a 30 point performance against the Buccaneers and a 21 point contest against the Jacksonville Jaguars, two teams renown for their stingy defenses. In the Tampa Bay contest, Vick posted a 119.2 quarterback rating, his second highest of the season.
QB Coach MJ


Isn't that what he is doing? He is being groomed to become the OC in a year or two isn't he? I'm confused....i think it is best to just let him be QB coach another year or two then give him the reins to the offense
I'm no big fan of jimmyrae who i think was a huge improvement over HOSE. Hose was the worst i have ever seen, norv just was here looking for a big gig, and jimmyrae has finally brot continuity to our OC slot, which i think was bigMikes' plan. Also MJ somehow appeared on the scene, and i would be interested if that was bigmIke's plan also...to groom him under jimmyrae. If so, i can sure find no fault with that. But looking at the bio, MJ's is a very impressive one, and he was highly recommended by his coaching tutors. Jimmyrae is probably okay for this yr, maybe even desirable.

But if we have the OL, the WRs, the TEs the RB, the Qb and still look like we don't know what we are doing on O by midseason, i would really think about a change of OC then. What i suspect is a marked improvement on O, i expect to see 3rd and 3 being made more often than not, and i also expect to see no 8-10 guys in a box on us. I also expect to see sustained drives, a lot of passing game once we have let the opponents know we are going to run , successfully, on them, and i expect to see no more qB muggings. If we don't achieve these very achievable goals, then it is time for jimmyrae to leave.

As far as the comment, having continuity is better than having a better OC, i respectfully disagree. If the goals are met because we finally have an OL, then i don't care. But if our guys play their hearts out, only to lose, then we need a new OC, and should be considering another HC also. Baalke has given us what we needed. It is bigmike's and jimmyrae's job to "git er done".

We will learn a lot by how bigmike manages games this yr. I hope he has been taking notes and doesn't make mistakes already made. He still has to prove his worth to keep his job, and same goes for JR. Difference is, this team has some real talent this yr, and if OC or HC squander it, they WILL be holding us back.
jimmy raye is gonna win us one dem superbowls...mhmmm
I'm not a huge jimmy raye fan, but what I like about him is that he has enough experience in the position to change midstream from being a "run first" team to the Raye gun. He uses the tools that he has unlike Mike Martz who could never figure out how to use a tight end like Vernon Davis.

I only hope that Mike Johnson and Rathman surround jimmy and are learning from the guy. You don't stay coaching in the nfl at the offensive coordinator position for over 20 years without having a lot of knowledge of the game.

IM REALLY PUMPED THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE SAME OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR COMING BACK FOR THE NEXT SEASON.

I think that is going to do wonders for us. Just think about it for a moment this team has had to learn Mike McCarthy's West offense, Norv Turner, BIG HOS, and Mike Martz........and I wonder why in the last five years that the offense doesn't have rhythm and timing.

I am fired up about the addition of Lupati and Davis which will help strength the line play and hiring Solari and Ray Brown as coaches was a great move. Walsh gets so much of the props (and rightfully so) for our success but I think his greatest secret weapon was Bobb McKittrick who did so much without having a the most dominant offensive line talent, but his philosophy of trapping, pulling guards and using their quickness. Now with Lupati and Davis will have the raw talent and size as well as being quick.

I also like that we picked up some speed on offense through Ginn, Williams, and even dixon. (Not to mention Taylor Mays on defense but we are talking about O.) I really wasn't thinking about Ginn as much of a wide receiver weapon but as a decoy and return specialist but if he or Williams can bring that "John Taylor" type of receiver it would add a lot to the team. Williams I know has a long way to go, but he looks great on film. We need that type of player to open up routes for the other players. And Dixon looks like an upgrade on coffee being bigger and faster. The big downside to Dixon is that he has 900 touches in college. But we don't have to overuse him.

I hope Frank Gore can understand that we are trying to save his career and not run him into the ground. He really is a great talent maybe the best running back that I have ever seen play for the Niners. (Roger Craig never had two 200+ yard games!)

I can't wait for Football Season!!!
Originally posted by Oldschool9erfan:
I'm not a huge jimmy raye fan, but what I like about him is that he has enough experience in the position to change midstream from being a "run first" team to the Raye gun. He uses the tools that he has unlike Mike Martz who could never figure out how to use a tight end like Vernon Davis.

I only hope that Mike Johnson and Rathman surround jimmy and are learning from the guy. You don't stay coaching in the nfl at the offensive coordinator position for over 20 years without having a lot of knowledge of the game.

IM REALLY PUMPED THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE SAME OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR COMING BACK FOR THE NEXT SEASON.

I think that is going to do wonders for us. Just think about it for a moment this team has had to learn Mike McCarthy's West offense, Norv Turner, BIG HOS, and Mike Martz........and I wonder why in the last five years that the offense doesn't have rhythm and timing.

I am fired up about the addition of Lupati and Davis which will help strength the line play and hiring Solari and Ray Brown as coaches was a great move. Walsh gets so much of the props (and rightfully so) for our success but I think his greatest secret weapon was Bobb McKittrick who did so much without having a the most dominant offensive line talent, but his philosophy of trapping, pulling guards and using their quickness. Now with Lupati and Davis will have the raw talent and size as well as being quick.

I also like that we picked up some speed on offense through Ginn, Williams, and even dixon. (Not to mention Taylor Mays on defense but we are talking about O.) I really wasn't thinking about Ginn as much of a wide receiver weapon but as a decoy and return specialist but if he or Williams can bring that "John Taylor" type of receiver it would add a lot to the team. Williams I know has a long way to go, but he looks great on film. We need that type of player to open up routes for the other players. And Dixon looks like an upgrade on coffee being bigger and faster. The big downside to Dixon is that he has 900 touches in college. But we don't have to overuse him.

I hope Frank Gore can understand that we are trying to save his career and not run him into the ground. He really is a great talent maybe the best running back that I have ever seen play for the Niners. (Roger Craig never had two 200+ yard games!)

I can't wait for Football Season!!!

Dude, its Iupati. Not Lupati.

I'm just trying to help you out.

[ Edited by PTulini on May 1, 2010 at 16:09:12 ]