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How Alex Smith Compares to Terry Bradshaw

Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
haha, no way is this argument valid....

the first year he barely played, 9 games...

every year after that he has a qb rating of 80 +, and he throws more touchdowns that interceptions.

I'm sorry, but anyone who throws 1 td to 11 interceptions is just not cut out for the nfl.

Oh, but don't you know? We don't count that rookie year.

Or the last two seasons either, just forget about him being injury prone, we're only talking games here.

And you can probably throw out most of his bad games from 2006 too, those were most likely due to bad weather or Kwame Harris or something.

So when you really boil it down, it's clear that Alex is far better than the likes of Terry Bradshaw and Steve Young.

Don't knock Alex; he's 11-0 (perfect) for games he started and the team won...




Here's a comparison... Alex Smith and Michael Jackson, people keep talking about both of these guys and I don't know why?

I don't mind AS, and wish him the best... but these comparisons have got to stop!
Originally posted by D_Niner:

I don't know why people are so afraid to say it... I would have called Bradshaw a bust after his second or 3rd year. I still don't think he was that great of a QB but he did improve somewhat as time went on.

Four Superbowl wins tend to make a QB look real good and all is forgiven by fans for the obvious reasons. Any QB has a long way to go to live up to Terry Bradshaw's legacy. I just think his first few years are a useful lesson in perspective.
Keep laughing, funny boys... I'm sure these jabs hurt Alex and his millions/beautiful wife/foundation/etc. Me thinks you're scared of Alex... but the good side is that you can always come back and say "who cares if I was wrong? SF is winning now!!!" (and more than just meaningless games vs spiraling opponents)

Quote:
Alex Smith - 2006 ( year 2 )
16 games - 257/442 - 58.1% - 2,890 yds - 6.5 avr - 16 TD/16 INT - QBR - 74.8
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Troy Aikman - 1989/90 ( year 1 + 2 )
11 starts - 155/293 - 52.9% - 1,749 yds - 6.0 avr - 9 TD/18 INT - QBR - 55.7
15 starts - 226/399 - 56.6% - 2,579 yds - 6.5 avr - 11 TD/18 INT - QBR - 66.6
(consider that they had Mike Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Jay Novacek, and an OL consisting of Kevin Gogan, Nate Netwon, Stepnoski, Zimmerman, Tuinei, etc.)
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Matt Hasselbeck - 2001 ( year 3 )(sits for first 2 years)
13 starts - 176/321 - 54.8% - 2,023 ys - 6.3 avr. - 7 TD/8 INT - QBR - 70.9
-

Drew Brees - 2002/03 ( year 2 + 3 )(no starts in yr 1)
16 starts - 320/526 - 60.8% - 3,284 yds - 6.2 avr. - 17 TD/16 INT - QBR - 76.9
11 starts - 205/356 - 57.6% - 2,108 yds - 5.9 avr - 11 TD/15 INT - QBR - 67.5
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Eli Manning - 2004/05 ( year 1 + 2 )
7 starts - 95/197 - 48.2% - 1,043 yds - 5.3 avr - 6 TD/9 INT - QBR - 55.4
16 starts - 294/557 - 52.8% - 3,762 yds - 6.8 avr - 24 TD/17 INT - QBR - 75.9
(3rd year numbers were very slightly better and 4th season numbers were worse)

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Steve Young - 1985/86 (year 1 + 2)
5 starts - 72/138 - 52.2% - 935 yds - 6.8 avr - 3 TD/8 INT - QBR - 56.9
14 starts - 195/363 - 53.7% - 2,282 yards - 6.3 avr - 8 TD/13 INT - QBR - 65.5
(he then went to SF and sat most of the next 4 seasons behind Joe)

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Terry Bradshaw - 1970/71 ( year 1 + 2 )
8 starts - 83/218 - 38.1% - 1,410 yds - 6.5 avr - 6 TD/24 INT - QBR - 30.4
13 starts - 203/373 - 54.4% - 2,259 yds - 6.1 avr - 13 TD/22 INT - QBR - 59.7
( in fact, his QBR and other stats stayed lousy for years after these two )

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Jim Plunkett - 1972 ( year 2 )
14 games - 169/355 - 47.6% - 2,196 yds - 6.2 avr - 8 TDs/25 INTs - QBR - 45.7
(went on to win Super Bowl in 83-84)
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by D_Niner:

I don't know why people are so afraid to say it... I would have called Bradshaw a bust after his second or 3rd year. I still don't think he was that great of a QB but he did improve somewhat as time went on.

Four Superbowl wins tend to make a QB look real good and all is forgiven by fans for the obvious reasons. Any QB has a long way to go to live up to Terry Bradshaw's legacy. I just think his first few years are a useful lesson in perspective.

That doesn't mean that he was all that great though. Remember how bad Dilfer was. And he has a SB ring...
Great stats! These fans WANT WINNERS! And none of these losers you site would have been good enough for these fans. They're all busts!
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Keep laughing, funny boys... I'm sure these jabs hurt Alex and his millions/beautiful wife/foundation/etc. Me thinks you're scared of Alex... but the good side is that you can always come back and say "who cares if I was wrong? SF is winning now!!!" (and more than just meaningless games vs spiraling opponents)
Quote:


No offense; but, I think you may be taking this discussion a bit too seriously.
[ Edited by D_Niner on Jul 8, 2009 at 9:43 AM ]
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Keep laughing, funny boys... I'm sure these jabs hurt Alex and his millions/beautiful wife/foundation/etc. Me thinks you're scared of Alex... but the good side is that you can always come back and say "who cares if I was wrong? SF is winning now!!!" (and more than just meaningless games vs spiraling opponents)

Quote:
Alex Smith - 2006 ( year 2 )
16 games - 257/442 - 58.1% - 2,890 yds - 6.5 avr - 16 TD/16 INT - QBR - 74.8
-

Troy Aikman - 1989/90 ( year 1 + 2 )
11 starts - 155/293 - 52.9% - 1,749 yds - 6.0 avr - 9 TD/18 INT - QBR - 55.7
15 starts - 226/399 - 56.6% - 2,579 yds - 6.5 avr - 11 TD/18 INT - QBR - 66.6
(consider that they had Mike Irvin, Emmitt Smith, Jay Novacek, and an OL consisting of Kevin Gogan, Nate Netwon, Stepnoski, Zimmerman, Tuinei, etc.)
-

Matt Hasselbeck - 2001 ( year 3 )(sits for first 2 years)
13 starts - 176/321 - 54.8% - 2,023 ys - 6.3 avr. - 7 TD/8 INT - QBR - 70.9
-

Drew Brees - 2002/03 ( year 2 + 3 )(no starts in yr 1)
16 starts - 320/526 - 60.8% - 3,284 yds - 6.2 avr. - 17 TD/16 INT - QBR - 76.9
11 starts - 205/356 - 57.6% - 2,108 yds - 5.9 avr - 11 TD/15 INT - QBR - 67.5
-

Eli Manning - 2004/05 ( year 1 + 2 )
7 starts - 95/197 - 48.2% - 1,043 yds - 5.3 avr - 6 TD/9 INT - QBR - 55.4
16 starts - 294/557 - 52.8% - 3,762 yds - 6.8 avr - 24 TD/17 INT - QBR - 75.9
(3rd year numbers were very slightly better and 4th season numbers were worse)

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Steve Young - 1985/86 (year 1 + 2)
5 starts - 72/138 - 52.2% - 935 yds - 6.8 avr - 3 TD/8 INT - QBR - 56.9
14 starts - 195/363 - 53.7% - 2,282 yards - 6.3 avr - 8 TD/13 INT - QBR - 65.5
(he then went to SF and sat most of the next 4 seasons behind Joe)

-
Terry Bradshaw - 1970/71 ( year 1 + 2 )
8 starts - 83/218 - 38.1% - 1,410 yds - 6.5 avr - 6 TD/24 INT - QBR - 30.4
13 starts - 203/373 - 54.4% - 2,259 yds - 6.1 avr - 13 TD/22 INT - QBR - 59.7
( in fact, his QBR and other stats stayed lousy for years after these two )

-
Jim Plunkett - 1972 ( year 2 )
14 games - 169/355 - 47.6% - 2,196 yds - 6.2 avr - 8 TDs/25 INTs - QBR - 45.7
(went on to win Super Bowl in 83-84)

There's also another side to that spectrum - the guys who started out s**tty and stayed s**tty:

David Klinger
Tim Couch
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Akili Smith
Ryan Leaf
Originally posted by D_Niner:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by D_Niner:

I don't know why people are so afraid to say it... I would have called Bradshaw a bust after his second or 3rd year. I still don't think he was that great of a QB but he did improve somewhat as time went on.

Four Superbowl wins tend to make a QB look real good and all is forgiven by fans for the obvious reasons. Any QB has a long way to go to live up to Terry Bradshaw's legacy. I just think his first few years are a useful lesson in perspective.

That doesn't mean that he was all that great though. Remember how bad Dilfer was. And he has a SB ring...

I agree. Bradshaw, like Dilfer, had the benefit of a great defense. I still remember how hard it was for Bradshaw, as an analyst in the 80's, to give credit to Montana and his receivers. During one game, John Madden even rolled his eyes and shook his head when Bradshaw said he preferred his receivers over Rice and Taylor.
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Great stats! These fans WANT WINNERS! And none of these losers you site would have been good enough for these fans. They're all busts!

Like you said in another thread... so many fans are stupid, knee-jerk reactionary fools and their myopic thinking really doesn't mean jack. I would be SO embarassed had I been a big-mouthed Cowboy (Aikman), SD (Brees), Pittsburgh (Bradshaw) etc fan cutting down our young QB and giving him zero chance to succeed. Especially with the surrounding talent, support, and handling that Alex has not received despite the Meyer-warnings.

talk about Oooops!
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Keep laughing, funny boys... I'm sure these jabs hurt Alex and his millions/beautiful wife/foundation/etc. Me thinks you're scared of Alex... but the good side is that you can always come back and say "who cares if I was wrong? SF is winning now!!!" (and more than just meaningless games vs spiraling opponents)


There's also another side to that spectrum - the guys who started out s**tty and stayed s**tty:

David Klinger
Tim Couch
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Akili Smith
Ryan Leaf

Oh, absolutely there is. This is why I can't sit here and say Alex WILL succeed. This is also why I get annoyed that you sit there and say Alex WILL fail. Understand?
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Great stats! These fans WANT WINNERS! And none of these losers you site would have been good enough for these fans. They're all busts!

Like you said in another thread... so many fans are stupid, knee-jerk reactionary fools and their myopic thinking really doesn't mean jack. I would be SO embarassed had I been a big-mouthed Cowboy (Aikman), SD (Brees), Pittsburgh (Bradshaw) etc fan cutting down our young QB and giving him zero chance to succeed. Especially with the surrounding talent, support, and handling that Alex has not received despite the Meyer-warnings.

talk about Oooops!

So the only reason you are supporting Alex is so that if he does end up being good, you won't be embarrassed for criticizing him?

I don't know why you would feel embarrassed...I'm a big Alex criticizer, and I'd be relieved if he became good.

Like someone else said...most people seem scared to criticize him for some reason. I don't get it.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Great stats! These fans WANT WINNERS! And none of these losers you site would have been good enough for these fans. They're all busts!

Like you said in another thread... so many fans are stupid, knee-jerk reactionary fools and their myopic thinking really doesn't mean jack. I would be SO embarassed had I been a big-mouthed Cowboy (Aikman), SD (Brees), Pittsburgh (Bradshaw) etc fan cutting down our young QB and giving him zero chance to succeed. Especially with the surrounding talent, support, and handling that Alex has not received despite the Meyer-warnings.

talk about Oooops!

Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Great stats! These fans WANT WINNERS! And none of these losers you site would have been good enough for these fans. They're all busts!

Like you said in another thread... so many fans are stupid, knee-jerk reactionary fools and their myopic thinking really doesn't mean jack. I would be SO embarassed had I been a big-mouthed Cowboy (Aikman), SD (Brees), Pittsburgh (Bradshaw) etc fan cutting down our young QB and giving him zero chance to succeed. Especially with the surrounding talent, support, and handling that Alex has not received despite the Meyer-warnings.

talk about Oooops!

So the only reason you are supporting Alex is so that if he does end up being good, you won't be embarrassed for criticizing him?

I don't know why you would feel embarrassed...I'm a big Alex criticizer, and I'd be relieved if he became good.

Like someone else said...most people seem scared to criticize him for some reason. I don't get it.

No, of course not. I genuinely have witnessed enough in 06 and 07 to confirm to myself that Alex can succeed if things are improved upon. There should only be embarassment if a fan is on one extreme or the other on Alex.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Great stats! These fans WANT WINNERS! And none of these losers you site would have been good enough for these fans. They're all busts!

Like you said in another thread... so many fans are stupid, knee-jerk reactionary fools and their myopic thinking really doesn't mean jack. I would be SO embarassed had I been a big-mouthed Cowboy (Aikman), SD (Brees), Pittsburgh (Bradshaw) etc fan cutting down our young QB and giving him zero chance to succeed. Especially with the surrounding talent, support, and handling that Alex has not received despite the Meyer-warnings.

talk about Oooops!

So the only reason you are supporting Alex is so that if he does end up being good, you won't be embarrassed for criticizing him?

I don't know why you would feel embarrassed...I'm a big Alex criticizer, and I'd be relieved if he became good.

Like someone else said...most people seem scared to criticize him for some reason. I don't get it.

No, of course not. I genuinely have witnessed enough in 06 and 07 to confirm to myself that Alex can succeed if things are improved upon. There should only be embarassment if a fan is on one extreme or the other on Alex.

Well s**t, I wanna see what you're seeing. I haven't witnessed hardly anything in any of his seasons that would confirm Alex could succeed.
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