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Reasons for an Alex Smith breakout season.

Originally posted by NickSh49:
Originally posted by TowelBoy:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:

I don't get it.

Starks, you're scaring me buddy.

Breakout, I see what you did there.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Of course he will have problems with his shoulder. This is his first time really throwing in what...a year or something? If you've ever injured your shoulder you'd know even if it's "healed" it takes a while to "feel right." Your mind instinctively muscle guards areas like the shoulder after trauma so any kind of throwing or crazy movement will naturally create apprehension. In other words it's all in his head. But it's normal. He should be fine by training camp.

I have had surgery on my shoulder, May 30 of 07 to be exact. I felt "normal" within 6 weeks and have been working out with it per normal after 12 weeks. Mind you, this is after babying that same shoulder for nealry 10 months while I waited for workmans comp to get off their a$$'s and allow the surgery that my specialist said was the only way to repair the damage done to my shoulder.

So to recap, I did not have the support system Smith did, I had 10 months of atrophy in addition to the surgery to deal with, and had MUCH more stress involved as my workmans comp insurance was screwing me for 9 of those 10 months, so no income to speak of during that time, and I felt fine after 12 weeks.

If Smith isn't feeling normal after 4+ months, he has serious problems imo.
It would be nice if Alex "broke-out" and played like a #1 overall QB, but he has some baggage to tote from his past here. I hope you are correct and that as good as Hill is the Alex can rise and replace him next season.

I have the gut feeling that Alex's baggage plus his slow learning curve might be his undoing, Alex to have any success will more than likely have to ride the pine for a couple of years in the same system.

Alex beating Huard for the number 2 spot on the roster but failing to oust Hill, would be the best thing to ever happen to Alex. Alex appears to be a thinker, or as I say a clunker, he seams unnatural on the field because he does not have confidence in his own knowledge of the system. If Alex can ever get comfortable in a system and let his natural talents loose, he will be a VERY good NFL QB.

If Alex can sit on the bench and and receive consistent coaching for a season or two, he has a chance, he and his fans will have to be patient. We all have seen just how bad he looks when he plays unprepared.

Nolan and company really blew it with Alex, Dilfer was an awful choice to mentor him. If we had a decent veteran QB like Hill on the team to start for the last 3 years while Alex learned he might be okay, but now Alex has baggage and demons to deal with. He needs to turn that baggage into a large chip on his shoulder, and play as if his future depends on it, because quite frankly it does!
Well i mean who knows who's gonna have a breakout year, but i will say this. The smith haters, just keep on drinkin that haterade. I say we give the kid a break, i mean lets just be real folks. Smith - ok hasnt panned out like we planned but come on regardless of what anyone says, he's not a bust yet. I just say this, been with our team for 4 years, 1st year, duh, he's not ryan or flacco, yr 2. 7-9, you couldnt of been a niner fan, and not rooted for the kid to have a breakout season in his 3rd year. Then what, 2-1, injury., pretty much done for the season, then out 08-09 season. It's no excuse just fact, i aint even bring up any outside s**t, just him in general despite Nolan or whomever. He earns the right to compete for the starting job, now if the kid played every season since 05 and still sucks then hell yeah get rid of him, but 1 full season under his belt.

Now with Hill once again, you can choose what you want too, but i do notice the pattern even tho no one wants to talk about it. Dont avoid the fact that since being with our team, he's always flourished at the end of something. Each win came towards the end. And most teams pass on him because get the ball out or not, he wont lead you to the playoffs. Like Matt M. said, Hill will probably get us to 8-8, if that, but playoff, not yet, he doesnt have it, like Sing also thinks. We say he has this or that, but just like JTO, we have a habit of that cinderalla type of thinking, oh yeah someone thats been a backup or 3rd string for 5 or 6 years plus from team to team thinks we just pick him up and he'll show something the other handful of teams didnt. Sorry close but no cigar, Hill isnt bad, but like JTO, like that WR Brandon Jones pick-up, they are what they are. If smith is a bust, then they are even more of a bust than him because they been in the league longer and passed around more than new blood in the penitentiary.

Overall, I mean Smith may pan out or may not, but he has earned the right to start again, if he wins the competition, if he doenst and sits behind Hill so be it, but i'll still be rooting for the kid, and the team as a whole. But s**t some of ya'll come at the kid like he had ya'll wives or sumthin, and u wanna see the kid fail. That aint right no matter a smith fan or not.
Why are we still talking about Alex Smith? We just drafted a QB in the 5th round "Nate Davis", so what does that tell you about Alex Smith? He's a BUST! We need to just move on, I have never seen this much of a love affair with a bust in my life.

This is Pro Football, when a guy is a bust you move on! Let's just move on all together at the count of three.


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Reasons for an Alex Smith breakout season

Originally posted by TowelBoy:
The starting point for this analysis is the fact that Alex Smith was the #1 overall pick in the draft, with elite physical tools, measureables, and intangibles.

Now, he hasn't been successful at all, so the question you have to ask yourself is "why?" If all the reasons for his downfall seem to have been remedied by now, there is pretty good reason to suspect that as his young age and intelligence, Smith still has a breakout year in him.

Poor line protection? Well, it's pretty solid now.

Lack of weapons? Bruce is the man, Morgan is already a breakout performer, and Crabtree is a #1 prospect on the level of a Braylon Edwards/Brandon Marshall/Anquan Boldin. And these aren't the only weapons.

Health issues? He will be ready to go this year. Knock on wood.

Coaching continuity? It seems we're finally putting together a great staff.

Now, I'll sign off with a reminder of Smith's best moment as a pro. This is when I thought he finally turned the corner and showed the "it" factor to be a stud. It was not to be at the time, but at least he has displayed the flashes.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10344718

i agree but hopefully hes injured. my dad said he heard or read something that said he still winces when he throws the ball. thats not good
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Originally posted by billbird2111:
Reasons for an Alex Smith breakout season


Oh I know.
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Well the Kid has all the pieces coming into place now. However, it's all up to him on what he does with them.
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[ Edited by ezrider on Apr 27, 2009 at 4:08 PM ]
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Why are we still talking about Alex Smith? We just drafted a QB in the 5th round "Nate Davis", so what does that tell you about Alex Smith? He's a BUST! We need to just move on, I have never seen this much of a love affair with a bust in my life.

This is Pro Football, when a guy is a bust you move on! Let's just move on all together at the count of three.


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Not being a fan of a franchise who drafts Bust QB's, until 2005....I always kind of assumed the fans of those busts were all against them.

It seems, once you announce that 1.1 pick and jerseys are sold(who the hell bought these things)....once that emotional investment is made on a top pick QB....he will have his supporters until the day he is gone.

Actually, some Niner fans will defend him the rest of their lives...they will say Nolan ruined his career.

Look at some of the things the OP is saying.

1. OC continuity....but we have not addressed that yet....Alex lovers can and will still say after he doesn't do s**t in 09 that he still has not had an OC for 2 years in a row. So that excuse is still there.

2. Weapons, you can argue he still does not have weapons, Crabtree might not be able to contribute this year. Bruce against Father Time...guess who always wins? Optimists love to believe that old WR's fall apart in the Spring, when actually they can fall apart in Fall too. And Morgan and Hill have shown flashes, but really we have been so desperate for a WR they expectations may never be realized on these 2 guys. So that excuse is still there

3. Shoulder. All he has to do, is make a bad throw(which comes quite often if you have been paying attention since 2005) and wince....make some kind of painfilled motion with his shoulder as he runs off and the punt unit comes in. There you are, the ultimate excuse for LIFE.

He is not going to break out, and he still will have excuses. Nothing will be settled this year. Nothing will ever be settled. One side is right, and the other side gave up on rational reasoning to emotional desires years ago.
[ Edited by danimal on Apr 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM ]
Originally posted by Nes49:
Well the Kid has all the pieces coming into place now. However, it's all up to him on what he does with them.

if he doesn't step up this year then he is done....i am fine with Hill being the starter if Smith cant hack it....and if Smith somehow wins his job back...he better play REALLY well with all the pieces he has on offense now.....NO MORE EXCUSES FOR SMITH....to many good QBs coming out next year to not take them because of Smith
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Originally posted by 49ers18:
Originally posted by Nes49:
Well the Kid has all the pieces coming into place now. However, it's all up to him on what he does with them.

if he doesn't step up this year then he is done....i am fine with Hill being the starter if Smith cant hack it....and if Smith somehow wins his job back...he better play REALLY well with all the pieces he has on offense now.....NO MORE EXCUSES FOR SMITH....to many good QBs coming out next year to not take them because of Smith

AGREED.....
its going to be hard to have a break out season when he is riding the bench!
My take is that poor Smith's shoulder is not going to be good, that his slow delivery and poor accuracy is not going to get better, or much better anyway.

A pox on Nolan for making it worse.

I think Hill benefitted from the Martz system and while he says he likes the new offense, it seems likely that it will be fairly basic and not particularly mysterious to defenders.

So, my prediction is that only a mobile, strong-armed QB who runs around some to allow guys to get open, and scrambles for first downs, can really succeed. That QB might well be the new guy and he may be in the lineup sooner than we think.

I actually think that sort of QB is the future anyway, the days of the stand tall in the pocket types soon to be in the realm of myth and legend.

I'll predict he will be in at around the eighth game mark. Remember, Vick was mentioned as a possibility and I believe the coaches really wanted him, but management didn't.