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Is Battle really worth a roster spot at this point?

Is Battle really worth a roster spot at this point?

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by Grigga2021:
How could anyone want Zeigler over Battle? That is just rediculous. If you think we are a better team with Zeigler then Battle then your crazy.

People don't know what Zeigler can bring to the table. Everyone knows what Battle brings, and it isn't much. I think people are tired of the mediocrity and would rather see what the young guys on the team can do instead of seeing the same irrelevant "production" from a guy like Battle. Battle has only had a few GOOD games since he was drafted. That's not good enough.

You don't think the coaching staff knows what Zeigler can contribute?

Anyone paying attention has seen his ability to contribute on the field. He's got some ability catching the ball, meaning he can make some catches in traffic. However, he's very thin, and doesn't appear to be a very good downfield blocker, and his ability to gain yards after the catch is questionable. He showed guts when they put him in at punt returner, but also made some bad mental mistakes, and showed little, if any promise there.

The coaching staff certainly knows what Battle brings to the table, and they know what Ziegler brings as well--and there's a reason Ziegler was only a PS player for the past two seasons and not on the active roster with Battle.

The coaching staff obviously didn't know what Shaun Hill brought to the table until he was given a chance on gameday. So no, the coaching staff does not know what Zeigler brings to the table ON GAMEDAY because he hasn't been given the chance to show them. They only know what he can do on the practice field, which means nothing at all on Sunday.
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Sorry, I respectfully disagree. I believe that Battle is well "worth a roster spot at this point."

Next to Isaac Bruce, Battle is the most experienced and reliable WR on the roster.

Battle has proven, time and again, to be a dependable slot receiver who finds ways to get open at times of need, typically on third down. He has great hands, and underrated speed, and is a willing and capable blocker. He's also a terrific special teams player, and a solid, veteran presence in the locker room. What's not to like?

So, unless injuries force him to retire, or someone is drafted who beats him out of his spot(s), I look forward to watching him continue to contribute to whatever success the team has this year, as he has in years past. Hopefully, even more so.

Go Niners.

I dunno I just rather give our young WR's a chance instead of Battle...I've had enough of Battle...meh

Well, I agree that we need to develop our young WRs, Morgan and Hill specifically, but we also need some dependable, capable veteran presence, besides Bruce, on the roster at WR. It only makes sense that the younger guys are going to develop more quickly when they have a veteran mentoring them and taking some of the pressure off of them.

Plus Battle is an important ST player. We sorely missed him as a punt returner last year, and Ziegler did not show any promise there at all. IMHO. It seems unbelieveable that anyone would simply "dismiss" a guy like Battle. He may not be an all pro, but every team needs guys like him, guys that contribute in ways large and small to the success of the team.


But he hasn't done anything at all to make us win...so what if he's got us a few first downs...has that made us win an important game at all that mattered? Um nope...why not see what our youngster our made of. And what kinda advice would Battle give to our young guys lol...he hasn't done s**t...not even a 700 yard season..I wouldn't be taking advice from him if i was a young WR

Sorry, but I still respectfully disagree. I'm not saying he's superman (or even an all pro), but didn't he score on an end around to seal a win against Arizona two seasons ago?

If we were to get, say Crabtree in the draft, and a great punt returner besides, then I would concede that Battle's roster spot might be in jeapardy.

However, at this point, he's likely not only on the roster, he's probably the starter at the slot--because he contributes in many ways, blocking, receiving, punt returner, etc. He's experienced and knows how to adapt under pressure. He helps the RB by blocking downfield, helps the QB by adapting to a blitz, etc.

And its not like he's keeping the young guys from playing, nor are we at a position where we should just play the young guys and forget about trying to win.

It would seem crazy not to have a guy with his array of abilities on the team, but that's just my take on it.

Hi oldtimer, I respect your opinion. But if you are going to bring up that play where he scored on an end-around against Arizona (1 yarder). Let's bring up the play right before that play. ALex Smith throws a perfect pass to him and he should easily score, but Battle fumbles the ball into the endzone. Luckily for him, the Arizona cb who should've easily knocked the ball out of the endzone, tried to pick it up. Instead Darrell Jackson saves Battle from being the GOAT and recovers the ball in the endzone.

Yes, I recall that. However, the point is, you can't say he hasn't made any game winning plays. That play was a game winner, if I remember correctly.

Like any WR in the NFL, he's gonna have some good plays, and some not so good--but overall, given the present state of the roster at WR, I think you have to say he's got a spot. Things may change with the draft, but for now, I believe his veteran presence, along with his abilities both as a WR and as a PR, add solid value to the roster, and so some of you are going to be "forced" to watch him for at least another year.

Its not like he's stunk it up, alligator armed any passes thrown his way, or acted like a prima donna or anything. He's been a solid, if unspectacular WR for us, and will continue to be so 'til injuries stop him or some rookie beats him out. IMHO.

Just my opinion, though, and I'm not trying to force anyone to agree with me.
Meh, I don't think anyone on this team who's 29+ with chronic knee problems should be just handed a roster spot.

Battle a key contributor? To what? Us having a losing record the past 7 yrs?

I have nothing against the guy, but he's nothing special.
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by Grigga2021:
How could anyone want Zeigler over Battle? That is just rediculous. If you think we are a better team with Zeigler then Battle then your crazy.

People don't know what Zeigler can bring to the table. Everyone knows what Battle brings, and it isn't much. I think people are tired of the mediocrity and would rather see what the young guys on the team can do instead of seeing the same irrelevant "production" from a guy like Battle. Battle has only had a few GOOD games since he was drafted. That's not good enough.

You don't think the coaching staff knows what Zeigler can contribute?

Anyone paying attention has seen his ability to contribute on the field. He's got some ability catching the ball, meaning he can make some catches in traffic. However, he's very thin, and doesn't appear to be a very good downfield blocker, and his ability to gain yards after the catch is questionable. He showed guts when they put him in at punt returner, but also made some bad mental mistakes, and showed little, if any promise there.

The coaching staff certainly knows what Battle brings to the table, and they know what Ziegler brings as well--and there's a reason Ziegler was only a PS player for the past two seasons and not on the active roster with Battle.

The coaching staff obviously didn't know what Shaun Hill brought to the table until he was given a chance on gameday. So no, the coaching staff does not know what Zeigler brings to the table ON GAMEDAY because he hasn't been given the chance to show them. They only know what he can do on the practice field, which means nothing at all on Sunday.

Gee, I could have sworn I saw him suited up, on the active roster, and playing on gameday last season.

So, although I see your point regarding the difference between how a guy performs on the practice field vs. during a game (what was the name of that other WR who used to tear it up in practice and do nothing in games, Taylor Jacobs?), I still believe the coaching staff knows what they've got in Zeigler, as well as with Battle.

Just my opinion. No offense intended.
[ Edited by oldninerdude on Apr 2, 2009 at 12:52 PM ]
Originally posted by bjghum:
Meh, I don't think anyone on this team who's 29+ with chronic knee problems should be just handed a roster spot.

Battle a key contributor? To what? Us having a losing record the past 7 yrs?

I have nothing against the guy, but he's nothing special.

^^^^^^^ worrrrd
Maybe Not. Rossum is a better KR and PR. He's obviously not going to beat out Morgan or Bruce. I could see him being cut in June. However he is a vet and a good backup player.
I think Hill has supplanted Battle as our "third down guy". Battle is not Hines Ward. He's Randle El, and that's not a positive assessment. I'd rather see Bruce, Morgan, and Hill on the majority of snaps this season.
Originally posted by bjghum:
Meh, I don't think anyone on this team who's 29+ with chronic knee problems should be just handed a roster spot.

Battle a key contributor? To what? Us having a losing record the past 7 yrs?

I have nothing against the guy, but he's nothing special.

I am not saying that he is a "key contributor" whatever that means, or that he should be "handed" a roster spot. He has been a contributor, however, in the past, and given the level of success the team has had, its easy enough to argue that any positive contribution was "key."

Its true that Battle probably does not strike much fear into the hearts of opposing defensive coordinators or DBs. I'm not saying he's gonna be all pro, or carry the team on his back, or anything like that.

But if the only vet presence is Bruce, then that puts enormous pressure on Morgan, Hill and even Jones. So, if Battle is fully recovered from his injuries, and capable of performing at the level he was performing at before, it seems likely he makes the active roster, IMHO.
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by bjghum:
Meh, I don't think anyone on this team who's 29+ with chronic knee problems should be just handed a roster spot.

Battle a key contributor? To what? Us having a losing record the past 7 yrs?

I have nothing against the guy, but he's nothing special.

I am not saying that he is a "key contributor" whatever that means, or that he should be "handed" a roster spot. He has been a contributor, however, in the past, and given the level of success the team has had, its easy enough to argue that any positive contribution was "key."

Its true that Battle probably does not strike much fear into the hearts of opposing defensive coordinators or DBs. I'm not saying he's gonna be all pro, or carry the team on his back, or anything like that.

But if the only vet presence is Bruce, then that puts enormous pressure on Morgan, Hill and even Jones. So, if Battle is fully recovered from his injuries, and capable of performing at the level he was performing at before, it seems likely he makes the active roster, IMHO.

I hear where you're coming from.

But I say LET the pressure be on Morgan, Hill, and Jones. We can't coddle draft picks anf F/As forever. This will be Hill's 3rd yr, 2nd for Morgan, and 5th? for Jones.

We need to see if these guys are any good.
Let a younger guy beat him out for the spot. Why does franchise keep choosing to $hit on the guys who didnt leave via free agency for better teams. Stuck it out through bad times. Played hard. Let a younger TAKE HIS SPOT.
I say trade him, we won't get much but something is better than nothing
Def. keep him.

Remember he was one of the two WR's last year that went over 100 yards (in respect to Bruce). he had 7 catches 120 yards that game. He is also a very good blocker.

Think of our depth chart like this.

Bruce Morgan
Battle/Hill Jones

One injury to Morgan, or Hill who have been injury plagued throughout their short careers, and he is back in the rotation. Yes I know, Battle has also fought through injuries, but he has a very reasonable contract and he is working hard to get back.
hasnt been worth a roster spot for the last 2 years
Wow, rough crowd.

If I'm not mistaken, Battle was either leading the team or 2nd in receptions when he got injuried last season. I can't remember which...........



Upon further review........Through WK8 of 2008: Battle 24 catches, Bruce 23 catches. Battle didn't play in another game after WK8.
24 receptions in 8 games isn't GREAT by any means, but it was tops on the team. Isn't that worth anything???
[ Edited by AKfanster on Apr 2, 2009 at 2:26 PM ]
Originally posted by sfgo2fivewin5:
sorry but im one of those who thinks that battle is expendible at this point, he played well on terrible teams end of story. For now he is just taking up a roster spot that we can use on developing a young player. battle will be 30 next year and is beginning to become injury prone. This is not to bash him its just the business side of the thing he is making 1.49 mill in 2009 and that is too much for his production. And with Bruce now back we have that veteran presence that would have justified Battle staying if bruce had not.

C'mon sfgo, even YOU have to admit that Battle has been our most consistent Receiver since T.O. left the building.

You really would get rid of consistency for ??? Don't get me wrong I like Morgan and Hill but they are pretty much the same type of WR. I believe that even if he was kept around only for Special Teams duty that he would still be as consistent as he has been over his career with us. You don't get rid of someone like that just because he is deemed "expendable". You only do that when you have a solid replacement on hand and then ONLY if they have a big $$$ contract, which Battle does not.

Now if you were to ask me if Shaun Hill is expendable? I would say yes. And here is why; He has proven that he could start for the right team or be at least a solid backup for those teams whose QBs' are known to be injury prone. I think that Hill would be better suited to play for Tampa, Philly, Seattle(YES I said it) or with Green Bay. They use the WCO(or some form of it) which is better suited for his style of play. Also if there is a time to deal any QB it is now and it has to be Shaun Hill to take advantage of his success, as well as the limited amount of time that he'll be able to play.

I know that there are those that will poo poo the above sentiments, but I could care less. Can't trade Smith. He hasn't had enough success and the shoulder would be looked at as a liability to any team that we try to shop him to.

So those of you who think Frank or Battle are expendable, should realize that Hill is just as expendable for the right deal. Though Battle is consistent, I doubt we could get a solid deal in place that would be to both parties benefit. Because to be honest making a trade for the sake of making one is reminiscent of the San Francisco/Tampa deal oh so many years ago. Tampa got the raw end of that deal. Not that any names mentioned here are comparable to Steve Young, but you just never know do you.

~Ceadder
[ Edited by Ceadderman on Apr 2, 2009 at 3:07 PM ]