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Which type of QB (DO You Think) will sustain in the future of the NFL for years to come???

Which type of QB (DO You Think) will sustain in the future of the NFL for years to come???

The regular pocket passer. These new type of QBs for the moment are a new flavour, but the regular pocket passer are tried and true.
Also voted pocket passer, but admit, it's easily my preferred type of QB.

I don't want a Bledsoe statue back there. You need a QB that can take off a handful of times a game and make something happen if no one can get open. But I dislike the backyard ballers that can't read defenses for sh*t and only survive off of their wheels making something happen. The goofy QB option crap just makes me feel like I'm watching some college gimmicky garbage. I think defensive discipline in general has been lacking these days in the NFL. Not a surprise, considering the young kids today. So that lack of D discipline helps provide backyard ballers some success. That won't last. Add to that, the injury factor of running around so frequently... that added with these new 20+ mil a year QB contracts? Meh... give me the pocket passer.
The reality is that Kap, RGIII, and Wilson are a new era of QB in that they are mobile AND good passers (high completion rate guys). RGIII appears to have the most touch at this stage of his career. They are all ALREADY capable of being pocket passers.

Previously, Young, Cunningham, and Vick were a different kind of mobile, They tended to pull the ball down fast and wanted to rely on their legs to make plays. They were not particularly good passers. Young had touch, but was impatient; Cunningham had an amazing arm for the deep ball, but was inconsistent short and medium passes; Vick was not very accurate. All those guys had to be made into pocket passers to balance their game.

What is amazing about this new era of athletic QB is that they look like they will be quick to mature into pocket passers, but have the dual threat to run. Aaron Rogers is a good runner as well - although not often recognized for it.

With the offensive game plan incorporating the QB threat to run, the defense has to account for the QB now all the time -- 11 on 11 finally. Just running the read option a couple of times a game without even having the QB run it makes the defense account for him. This will make the pass game even more effective -- it makes the DE slow down his rush up field, it forces the DBs to look back at the QB, and forces general defensive hesitation. Taking the fast reaction out of the defense is devastating to the defense.

Next year this will be even more apparent with all three QBs being even better. There will be 2 types of offense that will be fun to watch - Brees, Rogers, Brady = old school perfection; and then Kap, RG, and Wilson = new age dynamism.

Both can survive in the long run because Kap, RG, and Wilson will develop just fine into pocket guys as they age.
I was just thinking of this the other day.

Brees, Rogers, Brady type of pocket passers, are the main ones that have put up championships soo far. I think in order for the Kaep, RG 3, and Wilson type of QB to really be compared, and worry about sustainability (think thats how u spell it) it's when that type of scrambling QB wins a SB.

I have only been watching football during the Montana days, so besides the new era of running/ read option QBs, has there been any like them that have won the SB.

I mean i was gonna say Vick, but he never won a SB. And although he put up great running numbers, it was never enough.

Maybe someone ahead of their time in the past was a scrambling QB and won a SB. If soo, lemme know fellas.
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Originally posted by SofaKing:
Pocket passing will always reign supreme. Scrambling ability is an added luxury.

Very true luckily for us Kaepernick can do both.

It seems the ole pocket passing QB's are slowly being fazed out, teams seem to be looking for the more balance QB rather than just pocket passing statue. It will all be finalized once a scrambling QB wins a Super Bowl and hopefully Kaepernick is the first in 20 years to do it.
The kind that wins games.
The regular pocket passer will eventually win over. This read option, scrambling QB will be figured out by the defenses and the end results will be more injuries to the QB's. And when you're paying that kind of money for a top QB, the last thing you want is an injury. Once enough QB's have been injured, this read option, scrambling QB's will be severely limited. The owners will see to that!

The Matt Ryan, Aaron Rogers and Joe Flacco's will live on. (Just imagine what kind of money these guys are making and the impact it puts on their teams if they get injured).

So enjoy it while it last because sooner or later the defenses will catch up to it.
[ Edited by Kauaiguy on May 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM ]
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What do we mean by sustain? Like some day all 32 starters are going to have a style that is almost exactly like Tom Brady or almost exactly like Cam Newton?

No. There will always be different styles of quarterbacks operating in the league within different offensive systems.

There's also a question of classification. Which extreme is Roethlisberger more similar to? How about Rodgers? Luck?
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
What do we mean by sustain? Like some day all 32 starters are going to have a style that is almost exactly like Tom Brady or almost exactly like Cam Newton?

No. There will always be different styles of quarterbacks operating in the league within different offensive systems.

There's also a question of classification. Which extreme is Roethlisberger more similar to? How about Rodgers? Luck?


I think the big question is does the zone read stuff continue to be effective because there's always going to be mobile qbs and your guys like Manning.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by LieutKaffee:
What do we mean by sustain? Like some day all 32 starters are going to have a style that is almost exactly like Tom Brady or almost exactly like Cam Newton?

No. There will always be different styles of quarterbacks operating in the league within different offensive systems.

There's also a question of classification. Which extreme is Roethlisberger more similar to? How about Rodgers? Luck?


I think the big question is does the zone read stuff continue to be effective because there's always going to be mobile qbs and your guys like Manning.

I think pistol formations with zone read elements will now forever continue to be employed by teams in the league who have QBs capable of running them. You can do a lot of creative things that don't expose the QB to unacceptable risk. CK and Wilson do a much better job of that. The amount of running we saw from RGIII, or the way Newton is used at the goal line, are things I think are unsustainable.
Baseball pitcher types with speed.


Colin has that accuracy and velocity as WELL as footspeed. He's like our very own Buster Posey.

That short dude from the seahawks won't last and RG3 is on his surgery number 3.
depends on long term injury....

look at RG3 and Luck, I bet one doesnt last 10 years

I do think and hope we limit Kap in the future on running him. A guy like Wilson will always have to run and will probably collect concussions in the near future.
Defenders (and DCs) will be willing to illegally punish QBs that frequently run... so I can see coaches having to tighten the leash on these QBs. Front Offices don't like to lose revenue due to their star QBs sitting on I.R. This goes for QBs in the pocket or out. We all appreciate the hero mentality, but QBs may sometimes just be better off eating the sack and living to fight another play.
The QB that runs devised plays won't get to second contract because of injury. The spread formation is what is being taught and it's reached the pro level. If you change a quarterback every 3 or 4 years it works. Having a QB that can run the option opens up more scoring options. Plus the relaxed rules on defense opens up the offense. Is it here to stay? Probably at the specialist level. A quarterback is too valuable to place at risk if he is the Franchise.