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I guess the NFL really want Ray Lewis to go out on top!!!!

Originally posted by BobS:
Stop acting like sore losers, you are embarrassing the rest of us.

Sorry we arent acting like cowards and actually calling it was it was. RIGGED. you can tuck tail and take the loss but im not willing to do that when we obviously got screwed, and ALL the evidence is there to prove it.

Hello, the league even CHANGED THE RULES to allow Boger to officiate when he wasnt even qualified. That alone screams red flag.
Let's just face it, holding is getting phased out in the NFL in favor of more high scoring, "exciting" games.

We've seen it all year long. Unless guys are getting completely mauled, offensive lineman get away with pretty much anything. It's sickening to watch and is on par with all the other rule changes to benefit offenses because people love points.
Originally posted by rondoman:
Originally posted by GNielsen:
As horrible as that non-call of holding Justin Smith is, the thing that really pisses me off is Culliver. I don't want to spend another season watching him fail to locate a long bomb and not contend for it again. He just can't seem to locate the ball coming down on a long bomb. Seems like it happened at least once a game.

Yeah but he's going nowhere.
I don't know. Every year the corner back position is a camp competition. T Brown is pretty set. Goldson is set. The other safety position, the other corner and the slot corner don't seem too set to me. They obviously have work to do on pass rushing, mainly getting more pressure in the middle, but I think they'll tweak the backfield because that was their weakness on defense this year.
Originally posted by Puckdaddy:
This article confirms the speculation that calls were blown.

http://deadspin.com/5979862/is-the-nfl-rigging-the-system-to-put-an-unqualified-referee-in-the-super-bowl

This article was written 5 days before the game.

Deadspin has been money as of late and if the officiating issue does not blow up during the off-season, then the league is going in the direction of the NBA.
Originally posted by rondoman:
Let's just face it, holding is getting phased out in the NFL in favor of more high scoring, "exciting" games.

We've seen it all year long. Unless guys are getting completely mauled, offensive lineman get away with pretty much anything. It's sickening to watch and is on par with all the other rule changes to benefit offenses because people love points.

Then we might as well turn the league into a NFL Blitz, arena football style of play
Jason Whitlock:

The NFL got exactly what it wanted from referee Jerome Boger and the crew that worked the Super Bowl.

Roger Goodell wanted an officiating crew that would get out of the way and let the players be the stars.

For the past 15 years and spurred by the popularity of HD TV, NFL refs have been horning in on the players' spotlight. The refs like being stars. They like being recognized. Ed Hochuli's guns have become as well-known as Deion's high-step.

Goodell wants to end this. He doesn't want officiating stars. That's why the NFL worked its system to assign a mediocre, nondescript ref to the Super Bowl. According to Boger's jealous peers, his season-long grades did not justify his Super Bowl selection. Speculation quickly asserted the NFL manipulated its grading system so that an African-American ref could lead the Super Bowl.

If that were the case, Mike Carey would've been the easy choice. He's worked the Super Bowl before and he's highly regarded.

Nope. Goodell was after something different. Goodell wanted a ref who would stay out of the way, a crew that wouldn't take over the game. And that's what the league got.

Boger and his crew swallowed their flags from start to finish. They entered the stadium determined not to be the story when the game was over. Guess what? They're the story. Jim Harbaugh was irate there was no defensive holding or pass interference called on San Fran's last offensive play.

Boger and Co. spent the entire evening trying to avoid throwing their flags. Baltimore cornerback Cary Williams shoved an official and should've been tossed from the game in the first half. There was no flag.

Two of the most physical and emotional teams in football collided on Sunday and there were just seven penalties all day. The refs called the obvious stuff — two for offside, one facemask, an illegal formation. There wasn't one holding call all game and there was just one pass interference call.

The players were free to do whatever they wanted, and Baltimore certainly did at the end of the game.

We all hate it when the refs take over a game. But it's just as bad when they let the players police themselves. The Super Bowl deserved better officiating. I blame Goodell


Originally posted by NinerG94:
Originally posted by Puckdaddy:
So basically the 9ers not only was not outplayed, but they also put up this epic performance vs the refs. Im proud of these dudes and cannot be mad at them at all. That pressure that had been saving our secondary was present, but in this instance the pass rush's insurance provider (refs) did not cover their damage (holding). So it ended up costing us a TD. Both of Jacoby Jones' TD's were due to some nasty no calls.

Again, all of that means dick considering we didn't show up to play until the third quarter. The refs weren't responsible for our lack of passion and lack of focus in the first half. The 49ers couldn't overcome their won mistakes. Like I said before. Had we shown up and played 60 minutes, I'd be just as furious as the next guy. BUT..... since the team could only muster to play 29 minutes of real football, how are you going to put it on the refs? Should never have come down to one last series.

I mean seriously, its the fing superbowl and we come out on the first series and can't get lined up right? Who are you kidding? That in itself is more embarrassing than the loss. We couldn't even get lined up right on the fist play of the fuking game and you're b***hing about two or three other non calls by the refs? There were far bigger issues in this game. Sorry for the language mods. Just getting tired of all the whining about irrelevant issues.


I can see that you are not too football savy or bright so ill break down each of your illogical claims.

"We didnt show up until the 3rd quarter"

And the Ravens did not show up at all in the 3rd quarter or half the 4th. So that reduces your arguement to "you must play big in the 1st and second quarter or its your fault if you lose". Did you forget that we were down 17 in the NFC championship and prevailed? Did you forget the Hawks were down 20 and lost in the last second of the game? There is no such thing as a perfect game, niether can you expect a team to win all 4 quarters. It just doesnt work like that. Now despite your silly logic, what was the score at 1:59 in the 4th? So basically your 1st half claim is nothing more than being short sighted.


"The 49ers couldn't overcome their won mistakes. Like I said before. Had we shown up and played 60 minutes, I'd be just as furious as the next guy. BUT..... since the team could only muster to play 29 minutes of real football, how are you going to put it on the refs? Should never have come down to one last series."

And again, when you here pundits on TV saying "this is a 60 minute game" they are not saying that every quarter must be a good or even decent quarter. They are saying that the game is not over until the clock expires and WINNING THE FIRST HALF IS NOT WINNING THE GAME. You need to understand what is being conveyed before you repeat it.


"I mean seriously, its the fing superbowl and we come out on the first series and can't get lined up right? Who are you kidding? That in itself is more embarrassing than the loss."

Again let me educate you. If you look over the last 2 years we have gotten numerous illegal formation penalties. Why is that? Because our scheme consist of MANY formation shifts and changes that can easily create SIMPLE mistakes when lining up (Crabs). Besides, this is not "an embarrasment". How old are you? Really?


"We couldn't even get lined up right on the fist play of the fuking game and you're b***hing about two or three other non calls by the refs? There were far bigger issues in this game. Sorry for the language mods. Just getting tired of all the whining about irrelevant issues."

Whinning? How about you PROVE empirically that what Im saying is false? Because "crying" can be define as what you are doing because someone else is crying. then that would be hypocritical. Crying can be protesting. Crying can be what you do when you are treated unjustly. Crying can be your plea to your wife to stop cheating. Crying can also be what the Saints and Vilma did to save their names, money, etc.

So while you you are using misnomers for my explanation of whats going on, understand that you are also deteriorating your own crediblity when you misuse terms. I did nothing but use FACTUAL evidence as to what is going on. Then you have the nerve to cry about soemone else crying? You see how that could be translated you your response?

Ok, to all the "cool" guys and popular believers. My responses are not for you, I am responding to ADULTS who live on planet earth or at least are in touch with reality and the overall concept of NFL football.
[ Edited by Puckdaddy on Feb 5, 2013 at 11:59 PM ]
Originally posted by rondoman:
Jason Whitlock:

Quote:
The NFL got exactly what it wanted from referee Jerome Boger and the crew that worked the Super Bowl.

Roger Goodell wanted an officiating crew that would get out of the way and let the players be the stars.

For the past 15 years and spurred by the popularity of HD TV, NFL refs have been horning in on the players' spotlight. The refs like being stars. They like being recognized. Ed Hochuli's guns have become as well-known as Deion's high-step.

Goodell wants to end this. He doesn't want officiating stars. That's why the NFL worked its system to assign a mediocre, nondescript ref to the Super Bowl. According to Boger's jealous peers, his season-long grades did not justify his Super Bowl selection. Speculation quickly asserted the NFL manipulated its grading system so that an African-American ref could lead the Super Bowl.

If that were the case, Mike Carey would've been the easy choice. He's worked the Super Bowl before and he's highly regarded.

Nope. Goodell was after something different. Goodell wanted a ref who would stay out of the way, a crew that wouldn't take over the game. And that's what the league got.

Boger and his crew swallowed their flags from start to finish. They entered the stadium determined not to be the story when the game was over. Guess what? They're the story. Jim Harbaugh was irate there was no defensive holding or pass interference called on San Fran's last offensive play.

Boger and Co. spent the entire evening trying to avoid throwing their flags. Baltimore cornerback Cary Williams shoved an official and should've been tossed from the game in the first half. There was no flag.

Two of the most physical and emotional teams in football collided on Sunday and there were just seven penalties all day. The refs called the obvious stuff — two for offside, one facemask, an illegal formation. There wasn't one holding call all game and there was just one pass interference call.

The players were free to do whatever they wanted, and Baltimore certainly did at the end of the game.

We all hate it when the refs take over a game. But it's just as bad when they let the players police themselves. The Super Bowl deserved better officiating. I blame Goodell



David Stern, is that you?
Originally posted by rondoman:
Jason Whitlock:

The NFL got exactly what it wanted from referee Jerome Boger and the crew that worked the Super Bowl.

Roger Goodell wanted an officiating crew that would get out of the way and let the players be the stars.

For the past 15 years and spurred by the popularity of HD TV, NFL refs have been horning in on the players' spotlight. The refs like being stars. They like being recognized. Ed Hochuli's guns have become as well-known as Deion's high-step.

Goodell wants to end this. He doesn't want officiating stars. That's why the NFL worked its system to assign a mediocre, nondescript ref to the Super Bowl. According to Boger's jealous peers, his season-long grades did not justify his Super Bowl selection. Speculation quickly asserted the NFL manipulated its grading system so that an African-American ref could lead the Super Bowl.

If that were the case, Mike Carey would've been the easy choice. He's worked the Super Bowl before and he's highly regarded.

Nope. Goodell was after something different. Goodell wanted a ref who would stay out of the way, a crew that wouldn't take over the game. And that's what the league got.

Boger and his crew swallowed their flags from start to finish. They entered the stadium determined not to be the story when the game was over. Guess what? They're the story. Jim Harbaugh was irate there was no defensive holding or pass interference called on San Fran's last offensive play.

Boger and Co. spent the entire evening trying to avoid throwing their flags. Baltimore cornerback Cary Williams shoved an official and should've been tossed from the game in the first half. There was no flag.

Two of the most physical and emotional teams in football collided on Sunday and there were just seven penalties all day. The refs called the obvious stuff — two for offside, one facemask, an illegal formation. There wasn't one holding call all game and there was just one pass interference call.

The players were free to do whatever they wanted, and Baltimore certainly did at the end of the game.

We all hate it when the refs take over a game. But it's just as bad when they let the players police themselves. The Super Bowl deserved better officiating. I blame Goodell



And if thats what Goodell wanted, how conducive is that to "player safety"? This is becoming worst and worst each day.
You're seeing the slow evolution of baseball returning back as America's Pastime. At least their historic scandal happened in the early 20th Century.
again, i think there's more that we can point towards ourselves more for losing than the refs.... but that said (speaking generally)

there's a difference between "letting the players play" and "let the players get away with cheating"
Originally posted by Puckdaddy:
I can see that you are not too football savy or bright so ill break down each of your illogical claims.

"We didnt show up until the 3rd quarter"

And the Ravens did not show up at all in the 3rd quarter or half the 4th. So that reduces your arguement to "you must play big in the 1st and second quarter or its your fault if you lose". Did you forget that we were down 17 last week and prevailed? Did you forget the Hawks were down 20 and last in the last second of the game? There is no such thing as a perfect game, niether can you expect a team to win all 4 quarters. It just doesnt work like that. Now desite your silly logic, what was the score at 1:59 in the 4th? So basically your 1st half claim is nothing more than being short sighted.


"The 49ers couldn't overcome their won mistakes. Like I said before. Had we shown up and played 60 minutes, I'd be just as furious as the next guy. BUT..... since the team could only muster to play 29 minutes of real football, how are you going to put it on the refs? Should never have come down to one last series."

And again, when you here pundits on TV saying "this is a 60 minute game" they are not saying that ever quarter must be a good or even decent quarter. They are saying that the game is not over until the clock expires and WINNING THE FIRST HALF IS NOT WINNING THE GAME. You need to understand what is being conveyed before you repeat it.


"I mean seriously, its the fing superbowl and we come out on the first series and can't get lined up right? Who are you kidding? That in itself is more embarrassing than the loss."

Again let me educate you. If you look over the last 2 years we have gotten numerous illegal formation penalties. Why is that? Because our scheme consist of MANY formation shifts and changes that can easily create mistakes when lining up (Crabs). Besides, this is not "an embarrasment". How old are you? Really?


"We couldn't even get lined up right on the fist play of the fuking game and you're b***hing about two or three other non calls by the refs? There were far bigger issues in this game. Sorry for the language mods. Just getting tired of all the whining about irrelevant issues."

Whinning? How about you PROVE empirically that what Im saying is false? Because "crying" can be define as what you are doing because someone else is crying. then that would be hypocritical. Crying can be protesting. Crying can be what you do when you are treated unjustly. Crying can be your plea to your wife to stop cheating. Crying can also be what the Saints and Vilma did to save their names, money, etc.

So while you you are using misnomers for my explaination of whats going on, understand that you are also deteriorating your own crediblity when you misuse terms. I did not but use FACTUAL evidence as to what is going on. then you have the nerve to Cry about soemone else crying. You see how that could be translated you your response?

Ok, to all the "cool" guys and popular believers. My responses are not for you, I am responding to ADULTS who live on planet earth or at least are in touch with reality and the overall concept of NFL football.

dont insult people.
Originally posted by BobS:
Stop acting like sore losers, you are embarrassing the rest of us.

Stop bashing your brethren, you are embarrassing the rest of us.
Member Milestone: This is post number 200 for Puckdaddy.
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Originally posted by Puckdaddy:
I can see that you are not too football savy or bright so ill break down each of your illogical claims.

"We didnt show up until the 3rd quarter"

And the Ravens did not show up at all in the 3rd quarter or half the 4th. So that reduces your arguement to "you must play big in the 1st and second quarter or its your fault if you lose". Did you forget that we were down 17 last week and prevailed? Did you forget the Hawks were down 20 and last in the last second of the game? There is no such thing as a perfect game, niether can you expect a team to win all 4 quarters. It just doesnt work like that. Now desite your silly logic, what was the score at 1:59 in the 4th? So basically your 1st half claim is nothing more than being short sighted.


"The 49ers couldn't overcome their won mistakes. Like I said before. Had we shown up and played 60 minutes, I'd be just as furious as the next guy. BUT..... since the team could only muster to play 29 minutes of real football, how are you going to put it on the refs? Should never have come down to one last series."

And again, when you here pundits on TV saying "this is a 60 minute game" they are not saying that ever quarter must be a good or even decent quarter. They are saying that the game is not over until the clock expires and WINNING THE FIRST HALF IS NOT WINNING THE GAME. You need to understand what is being conveyed before you repeat it.


"I mean seriously, its the fing superbowl and we come out on the first series and can't get lined up right? Who are you kidding? That in itself is more embarrassing than the loss."

Again let me educate you. If you look over the last 2 years we have gotten numerous illegal formation penalties. Why is that? Because our scheme consist of MANY formation shifts and changes that can easily create mistakes when lining up (Crabs). Besides, this is not "an embarrasment". How old are you? Really?


"We couldn't even get lined up right on the fist play of the fuking game and you're b***hing about two or three other non calls by the refs? There were far bigger issues in this game. Sorry for the language mods. Just getting tired of all the whining about irrelevant issues."

Whinning? How about you PROVE empirically that what Im saying is false? Because "crying" can be define as what you are doing because someone else is crying. then that would be hypocritical. Crying can be protesting. Crying can be what you do when you are treated unjustly. Crying can be your plea to your wife to stop cheating. Crying can also be what the Saints and Vilma did to save their names, money, etc.

So while you you are using misnomers for my explaination of whats going on, understand that you are also deteriorating your own crediblity when you misuse terms. I did not but use FACTUAL evidence as to what is going on. then you have the nerve to Cry about soemone else crying. You see how that could be translated you your response?

Ok, to all the "cool" guys and popular believers. My responses are not for you, I am responding to ADULTS who live on planet earth or at least are in touch with reality and the overall concept of NFL football.

dont insult people.


I insulted him after he insulted me. But understood.
Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
again, i think there's more that we can point towards ourselves more for losing than the refs.... but that said (speaking generally)

there's a difference between "letting the players play" and "let the players get away with cheating"


Heres a better analogy. 'it only takes 1 bullet to kill a man, so three makes the issue worst. Shooting ourselves in the first half was fixed by therapy (comeback) and treatment for gunshot wounds. But after we were just days from a full recovery (5 yards from the lead) we were shot and killed by another person' (refs). Does the fact that we tried to commit suicide just months earlier, take away the charge of homicide? The point is that the 9ers did not lose the game because of 1st half mistakes. In that case the Ravens should have lost the game because of 3rd and 4th quarter mistakes. When the game is that close in the end of the game, it comes down to each team and the refs. No mistakes made earlier any kind of hold on the game. And please dont say " If they would not have done this and that they would be in the lead". Because in that case had the Ravens not give up 25 in the second half they would not be the champs, oh wait.


The boxed logic is not helpful or informative when examining the game and understanding what was really going on. Everything is not black and white niether is it disingenuous to listen to the writting on the wall and come to a conclusion that something fishy took place based on that evidence. Or at least acknowledge the fact that they were flat out horrible calls.
[ Edited by Puckdaddy on Feb 6, 2013 at 12:08 AM ]