I took this back in October for a month. I lost about 5 lbs and lost 1.2% body fat, no change in diet or time in gym, which I gained back almost immediately after discontinued use. They say to put it under your tounge and let it absorb into the tissue if ingested it would just break down in your digestive system if you talk to nutrionists they would tell you pure igf-1 would need to be injected to work so I doubt the under the tounge actually did anything . I noticed more energy in gym but I always do when trying new supplements or energy drink most likely a plecibo effect. The reason I took it was I buldged a disk in my lower back and while it somewhat healed I would tire and stiffen up after 20 minutes. 4 months later my back can only take about 20 minutes of physical activity. If you ask me it's all plecibo. Only reason it's probably on the list of banned substance is because it can cause doubt about players injecting pure igf-1.
Ray Lewis and the Cheating Allegations
Jan 29, 2013 at 4:05 PM
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Jan 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM
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Or am I just not looking in the right place?
Jan 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM
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Originally posted by fryet:
While no Ray Lewis fan, it sounds like to me that Ray Lewis said "Give me all you got" not necessarily knowing that one of the treatments had a banned substance. Now certainly, a football player should be more careful, but it may not be intentional on his part.
And why is the supplier bringing this up now? I guess he wants to get his 15 minutes of fame and hope that it increases sales. I suspect that most athletes, though, would avoid a supplier that gets them into trouble.
I think the supplier just got busted and his dirt was leaked.
Jan 29, 2013 at 5:09 PM
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Ray Lewis is a clown. As far as PED's, im assuming he's done something in the past 17 yrs. As I'm sure some of our guys have as well. Who care's, he's over the hill. Youth, speed and athleticism and teamwork will beat That druggie Ray Ray
Jan 29, 2013 at 5:28 PM
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Originally posted by smithc28:I think this is complete s**t. There have been studies done on deer antler spray and they've found it does next to nothing. Ray Lewis will have access to nutritionists, dieticians, DR's etc and they will all tell him the same thing that its s**t and doesn't do anything. Why risk getting caught out with something like this in the last months of your career and have it completely tarnished. It don't make no sense.
This sparks of someone at SI either has shares in deer antler or has been paid a bucket load to promote by coming out in SB week and say the most famous guy in the game has been using. The sales of deer antler will go through the roof this week. I'm sure SI were the ones to come out a couple years ago about deer antler in MLB as well. SI are dirty scumbags
Barry Bonds said the Clear and the Cream didn't do anything but people still think he took them. Athletes will do all kinds of stuff to recover quicker.
I am not outraged by it but if he took something on the banned list I am not going to look at him as being different than any other athlete accused of the same thing.
Jan 29, 2013 at 5:32 PM
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The point is he admitted or was recorded admitting that he took a banned substance. I could care less whether it worked...he took it. So has he been tested since his injury?
Jan 29, 2013 at 5:43 PM
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Originally posted by BadgerHawk:The point is he admitted or was recorded admitting that he took a banned substance. I could care less whether it worked...he took it. So has he been tested since his injury?
I know there was some reports that the NFL tests for this substance but I don't think they have a reliable test for it and if they do I think it might be like HGH, out of the system in a few days.
Jan 29, 2013 at 6:21 PM
NFL players will do anything to stay on the field. The chemists are ahead of the anti -doping agencies. Lanced Armstrong, while under the microscope of inspection, walked away with championship after championship for a decade. From what I've read his persona took him down as much as the illegal drugs. I am not, nor have ever been a Ray Lewis fan, but he's just one of many who try to stay in the game as long as possible. The simple answer is don't get caught.
Jan 29, 2013 at 6:26 PM
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:I know there was some reports that the NFL tests for this substance but I don't think they have a reliable test for it and if they do I think it might be like HGH, out of the system in a few days.
If the players association of any major sport is now allowing a drug test for HGH all it tells me is that the athletes are on to the next thing they don't have a test for yet. Look at AP and Peyton their recoveries are too good to be true and both unprecedented and in the same year something is up.
Jan 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM
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I've used Deer Antler Spray...this really is not a big deal...it is the antler velvet of an Asian deer that is ground down and made into a spray...thats it. It supposedly increases/stimulates natural growth hormone production.
Jan 29, 2013 at 7:48 PM
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Man I just want to win. I could care less if Ray did it or didn't. He had a great career and he is about to hang em up. If he did, shame on him but we need number 6
Jan 29, 2013 at 8:06 PM
Originally posted by WWFGD:I've used Deer Antler Spray...this really is not a big deal...it is the antler velvet of an Asian deer that is ground down and made into a spray...thats it. It supposedly increases/stimulates natural growth hormone production.
Did it work for you?
Jan 29, 2013 at 8:13 PM
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lol, most of our team is on roids too, guys
Jan 29, 2013 at 8:25 PM
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Hey Ray, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. You lied once and we believed you, now go tell it on the mountain.