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Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. says Russell Wilson better than our boy Alex

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Yes actually. But I did say barring injury when I made the bet. So I gave the option to him weather or not it's fair. Alex had better numbers in most categories, he even still did barring the not playing before Sunday. As far as ypg, td/int ratio, comp %, W/L%, rating, and QBR and many more. Not to mention Alex owning the one game the two played. Wilson had him in yards, but not by much before he was benched. Alex was playing better football before he was benched, I think it would be a pretty damn tight race actually right now.

Gotta eat crow on Wilson though, he's what I thought Kaep would be. Guess you should never count a guy out you don't know much about eh?

I'm not backing down from the bet. But I really think I kind of got it in the ass. Alex was playing better are just as good as Wilson before he was benched. I said I'd pay by the end of the season though.
Jiks, this kid is playing wayyyyyyyyy better than Alex ever has. Carrol finally decided to put the ball in Wilson's hands and he's been playing lights out after that Niners game. He's so much better than Alex on so many levels, it's damn near scary. I still think he's beatable, though, and even though his size hasn't been a disadvantage so far, it will be soon when defenses really get to figure him out.
[ Edited by YoungWifey on Dec 28, 2012 at 10:48 AM ]
How do you stop someone like Russell Wilson who is speedy and short? This past game he seemed way too elusive for even the best qb spyer to catch.
This f**ker was right on so many levels.

That being said,

Originally posted by YoungWifey:
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
Yes actually. But I did say barring injury when I made the bet. So I gave the option to him weather or not it's fair. Alex had better numbers in most categories, he even still did barring the not playing before Sunday. As far as ypg, td/int ratio, comp %, W/L%, rating, and QBR and many more. Not to mention Alex owning the one game the two played. Wilson had him in yards, but not by much before he was benched. Alex was playing better football before he was benched, I think it would be a pretty damn tight race actually right now.

Gotta eat crow on Wilson though, he's what I thought Kaep would be. Guess you should never count a guy out you don't know much about eh?

I'm not backing down from the bet. But I really think I kind of got it in the ass. Alex was playing better are just as good as Wilson before he was benched. I said I'd pay by the end of the season though.
Jiks, this kid is playing wayyyyyyyyy better than Alex ever has. Carrol finally decided to put the ball in Wilson's hands and he's been playing lights out after that Niners game. He's so much better than Alex on so many levels, it's damn near scary. I still think he's beatable, though, and even though his size hasn't been a disadvantage so far, it will be soon when defenses really get to figure him out.

I think they are two completely different QB's and both had success being themselves. IMO Alex Smith was starting to really hit his stride as well before he was hurt. The guy had 2 incompletions his last game and a half. Now Alex don't have the pizaz of a Wilson or a Kaep, but he was a good QB imo.

That's why this bet is tough. You know I'm not backing out of it. But I honestly feel like Alex would be having just as much success as Wilson is if not for the injury. That injury really pisses me off on this bet. As I said Alex was playing pretty good football as well. He laid an egg against NY, but as we have seen Qb's do that sometimes. Besides that he beat the jets 34-0, had a career game against the Bills, sucked against NY(as the whole team did), beat Wilson, then had another career game.
Originally posted by richierichard:
How do you stop someone like Russell Wilson who is speedy and short? This past game he seemed way too elusive for even the best qb spyer to catch.

Same way defenses have figured Vick, McNabb, Vince Young, Steve McNair and the legions of other mobile QB's that pundits thought no one would ever catch up to.

I guarantee you that come next year Wilson will likely see a drop off in production. I am not saying he will be terrible, only that defenses will be better adjusted.

Personally, I find it hilarious that we're probably the only GOOD defense he's beaten, and now all of a sudden the league doesn't have an answer for him.

I guess that's just life whenever a young QB plays well.
Originally posted by richierichard:
How do you stop someone like Russell Wilson who is speedy and short? This past game he seemed way too elusive for even the best qb spyer to catch.

Because he's so short, he needs to get outside that pocket. Not only that, he needs to drop back 10 yards to get his shot downfield. The thing with Russel is that he does well in the pocket that he throws so the ball does not get batted down. But, that ball and the trajectory of that ball is so high, it really does give it time to be easily picked. Russel is smart and he knows this which is why he eludes out the pocket more often. This is why Justin was sorely missed in this game. That pass rush would've contained Russel in the pocket. A great secondary should prepare theirselves for those high throws. And this game should make Ahmad realize he needs to lose 15 lbs hahaha

I can't wait to see what Fisher has up his sleeve
Originally posted by richierichard:
How do you stop someone like Russell Wilson who is speedy and short? This past game he seemed way too elusive for even the best qb spyer to catch.

You know, I'm 100% sure Wilson is beatable; but I can't really figure out how. I'm not trying to troll, it's just that no matter what you do, it seems to leave a hole he's capable of exploiting elsewhere. A spy just makes it easier for him to toss a 10-20 yard strike. Wilson's "Benny Hill" style of running around eluding people is just...crazy. I can't believe how quick and elusive he is. He owns 4 of the 5 longest scrambles behind the line of scrimmage in the entire NFL this year. I can't believe how well the Seahawks scored with him.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
I think they are two completely different QB's and both had success being themselves. IMO Alex Smith was starting to really hit his stride as well before he was hurt. The guy had 2 incompletions his last game and a half. Now Alex don't have the pizaz of a Wilson or a Kaep, but he was a good QB imo.

That's why this bet is tough. You know I'm not backing out of it. But I honestly feel like Alex would be having just as much success as Wilson is if not for the injury. That injury really pisses me off on this bet. As I said Alex was playing pretty good football as well. He laid an egg against NY, but as we have seen Qb's do that sometimes. Besides that he beat the jets 34-0, had a career game against the Bills, sucked against NY(as the whole team did), beat Wilson, then had another career game.

History (from this season alone) has proved that Alex will look brilliant in some games and look awful in others. In that game against Buffalo, he looked like he was hitting his stride. In GB and Detriot, he looked like he was hitting this stride. Then it went all the way down the crapper after those games. There is nothing, absolutely nothing in all of Alex's history (8 years or the past two seasons alone) in SF that makes me think that he would've continued that stride after AZ and the little bit in STL.
Originally posted by baltien:
Originally posted by richierichard:
How do you stop someone like Russell Wilson who is speedy and short? This past game he seemed way too elusive for even the best qb spyer to catch.

Same way defenses have figured Vick, McNabb, Vince Young, Steve McNair and the legions of other mobile QB's that pundits thought no one would ever catch up to.

I guarantee you that come next year Wilson will likely see a drop off in production. I am not saying he will be terrible, only that defenses will be better adjusted.

Personally, I find it hilarious that we're probably the only GOOD defense he's beaten, and now all of a sudden the league doesn't have an answer for him.

I guess that's just life whenever a young QB plays well.

Yeah the speed and improv play can guide you through some games, but long term success at QB depends on ability to pass in the pocket.

Sadly, RW can pass from the pocket as well. His WRs aren't even that great. Imagine if he had Megatron or something.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Yeah the speed and improv play can guide you through some games, but long term success at QB depends on ability to pass in the pocket.

Sadly, RW can pass from the pocket as well. His WRs aren't even that great. Imagine if he had Megatron or something.

He can but that's predicated on the success of the read option and breaking containment. He doesn't begin drives passing all that much from the pocket, and at this point I'm not sure if that approach would work for him.

I suppose the counterpoint to that is he doesn't need to as he is playing very well as is. But that goes back to my point that his current style of play won't likely hold up for very long. And once defenses adjust, can he take his game to the next level?

We've seen over the years many QB's implode once defenses learned to take away their favorite wrinkle.

And few bounce back after that.
[ Edited by baltien on Dec 28, 2012 at 11:18 AM ]
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Yeah the speed and improv play can guide you through some games, but long term success at QB depends on ability to pass in the pocket.

Sadly, RW can pass from the pocket as well. His WRs aren't even that great. Imagine if he had Megatron or something.

If you noticed in that game, when Russel had to throw in the pocket, his receivers had to make plays. They adjusted well over the season and have been able to go for the ball instead of just letting it fall into their hands (this remind you of any team we know of??). But that ball is left in the air long enough for anyone in the secondary to go after that ball.
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
I think they are two completely different QB's and both had success being themselves. IMO Alex Smith was starting to really hit his stride as well before he was hurt. The guy had 2 incompletions his last game and a half. Now Alex don't have the pizaz of a Wilson or a Kaep, but he was a good QB imo.

That's why this bet is tough. You know I'm not backing out of it. But I honestly feel like Alex would be having just as much success as Wilson is if not for the injury. That injury really pisses me off on this bet. As I said Alex was playing pretty good football as well. He laid an egg against NY, but as we have seen Qb's do that sometimes. Besides that he beat the jets 34-0, had a career game against the Bills, sucked against NY(as the whole team did), beat Wilson, then had another career game.

How so? He came off of a solid statistical game in Arizona, but was terrible (IMO) in the 2 previous games against Seattle and New York. How is that "hitting is stride"? He was good against the Bills then poor in the 2 previous games (Jets and Vikings).

As far as "pizaz". I don't think Wilson has any of that. He's just damn good. Composed, very intelligent and can make every throw.
Most people are probably thinkin this guy hit it right on the money and the way this season has turned out its not a bad conclusion but i think had Alex stayed the starter for the whole season his numbers would have been better then Wilsons and we would probably have this division locked up already.

Not tryin to start a qb debate.

Just sayin that for the 2012 season Alex smith is best qb in the NFC west

Now beyond 2012......we will see

Kaep vs Wilson should be fun to watch over the next 10 years
Somebody has written that the starting QB for Seattle is better than the backup QB for the Niners. Really? I think it's arguable, but even that is notable. Shouldn't it be a drop-dead lock that the starting QB for a given franchise is better than the backup QB for another? The fact that it's an arguable point says a lot about how good Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick are.
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
This f**ker was right on so many levels.

That being said,


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