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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

Because he's black? Come on. I think he is an idiot for his action that include cheating on tests; stealing a laptop, writing his name on it and then throwing it out the window when the police show up.
Cam is an athlete and athletes first instinct is run when things break down. Not a bad thing, but if he relies on it solely he will not make full use of the offense, ala Vick.
Originally posted by WildBill:
Cam is an athlete and athletes first instinct is run when things break down. Not a bad thing, but if he relies on it solely he will not make full use of the offense, ala Vick.

That explains the trouble with authorities. Too bad he couldn't show any instinct to relax and pass (a test)...unless he's puffing...he may have a chance at QB.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

That's what I thought. Shoot, even if he's as dumb as a rock, he could still be a good QB.

Well, it has been alleged that Newton was cheating on tests while at Florida and was about to be expelled and that is why he transferred to Auburn. He can't be too bright if did indeed do that.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Source-says-Newton-left-Florida-after-cheating-scandal


You disagree? Because only geniuses cheat on tests.



He was on he way out as soon as Tebow was coming back. Thats a fact. Meyer/Florida got pissed about him leaving and released/sourced out confidential info that was never confirmed. If he never left Florida none of this info would have came out. Meyer would still be coaching because he would have had a QB that didnt suck.


I find it hilarious people trash Newton but dont say s**t about another JUCO transfer. Who had 1 good year, has serious character issues and a reputation for cheap shots n dirty play in Fairly. I find that strange and hilarious. Just not as funny as the hate on Newton. Who by the way didnt choke vs Oregon and throw the game away like Luck did. OR how Gabbert choked n Mallet choked or just tucked n ran like Locker. I also find it funny that no one mentions the best comeback in college football last year lead by Newton against Alabama. Too damn funny no one but people who like Newton mention that game.
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

Because he's black? Come on. I think he is an idiot for his action that include cheating on tests; stealing a laptop, writing his name on it and then throwing it out the window when the police show up.

There's a difference between being an idiot and having a low I.Q.. Big Ben has proved to be just as big of an idiot, but nobody that I've heard of equates that with a low I.Q. or specifically, an inability to grasp a playbook. IMO, their actions are more an issue of judgement/immaturity than intelligence (football, or otherwise).

If he scores a -14 on his Wunderlic, or if his coach said they had to dumb down the playbook because he couldn't grasp anything more complex than RUN1 and PASS2, that's a different matter.
Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

That's what I thought. Shoot, even if he's as dumb as a rock, he could still be a good QB.

Well, it has been alleged that Newton was cheating on tests while at Florida and was about to be expelled and that is why he transferred to Auburn. He can't be too bright if did indeed do that.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Source-says-Newton-left-Florida-after-cheating-scandal


You disagree? Because only geniuses cheat on tests.



He was on he way out as soon as Tebow was coming back. Thats a fact. Meyer/Florida got pissed about him leaving and released/sourced out confidential info that was never confirmed. If he never left Florida none of this info would have came out. Meyer would still be coaching because he would have had a QB that didnt suck.


I find it hilarious people trash Newton but dont say s**t about another JUCO transfer. Who had 1 good year, has serious character issues and a reputation for cheap shots n dirty play in Fairly. I find that strange and hilarious. Just not as funny as the hate on Newton. Who by the way didnt choke vs Oregon and throw the game away like Luck did. OR how Gabbert choked n Mallet choked or just tucked n ran like Locker. I also find it funny that no one mentions the best comeback in college football last year lead by Newton against Alabama. Too damn funny no one but people who like Newton mention that game.

Sorry, didn't realize you were Cam Newton's #1 fan.

Meyer/Florida being pissed at Newton leaving is NOT a fact. That is called speculation. You like talking about facts, but you just like to speculate. (If you read my post you would I have seen that I said the words "alleged" and "if true" in my post)

I didn't say Newton was a bad college QB. You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder.

However, Tebow put up more spectacular numbers in college over a longer period of time and last year I wouldn't say he would be a great NFL QB. Cam Newton has similar mechanical problems as Tebow, even if he is further along. And the mechanical problems don't even include his tendency to only throwing to WR's when they are open, instead of where they will be or the kind of offense he ran in college.

Also, the stolen laptops, cheating allegations from inside sources, and all the other things surrounding him and his father in regards to selling his talents from south beach, put a lot of ?'s around him.

I find it funny how only blind Newton fans just gloss over all the ?'s surrounding him, making Camscuses for him, treating him like he is the second coming.

In regards to Fairly, no one on here is talking about him because the Niners aren't going to draft him so it makes no difference to us, whereas Newton is a QB, so we have to question him.

BTW, who is "talking trash" about Newton? People are merely talking about all the negative reports surrounding him that is plastered everywhere.

[ Edited by RedWaltz24 on Feb 1, 2011 at 15:25:35 ]
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

Because he's black? Come on. I think he is an idiot for his action that include cheating on tests; stealing a laptop, writing his name on it and then throwing it out the window when the police show up.

There's a difference between being an idiot and having a low I.Q.. Big Ben has proved to be just as big of an idiot, but nobody that I've heard of equates that with a low I.Q. or specifically, an inability to grasp a playbook. IMO, their actions are more an issue of judgement/immaturity than intelligence (football, or otherwise).

If he scores a -14 on his Wunderlic, or if his coach said they had to dumb down the playbook because he couldn't grasp anything more complex than RUN1 and PASS2, that's a different matter.

Again, IF he did have to cheat on tests in college, he MAY have a problem processing complex data or have bad study habits, making it hard to learn anything, especially complex offenses and defenses in the NFL. IF this is the case, then he probably will have a hard time in the NFL.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

Because he's black? Come on. I think he is an idiot for his action that include cheating on tests; stealing a laptop, writing his name on it and then throwing it out the window when the police show up.

There's a difference between being an idiot and having a low I.Q.. Big Ben has proved to be just as big of an idiot, but nobody that I've heard of equates that with a low I.Q. or specifically, an inability to grasp a playbook. IMO, their actions are more an issue of judgement/immaturity than intelligence (football, or otherwise).

If he scores a -14 on his Wunderlic, or if his coach said they had to dumb down the playbook because he couldn't grasp anything more complex than RUN1 and PASS2, that's a different matter.

Again, IF he did have to cheat on tests in college, he MAY have a problem processing complex data or have bad study habits, making it hard to learn anything, especially complex offenses and defenses in the NFL. IF this is the case, then he probably will have a hard time in the NFL.

You're right...he MAY have a problem, or he may not. Teams could put him on the whiteboard and come away really impressed with what he knows, what he sees and what he's able to process in small windows of time. Or they could come away shaking their heads thinking this guy would be lucky to play TE in the NFL.

We don't know yet, but I don't think his freshman behavior will be the determining factor.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

Because he's black? Come on. I think he is an idiot for his action that include cheating on tests; stealing a laptop, writing his name on it and then throwing it out the window when the police show up.

There's a difference between being an idiot and having a low I.Q.. Big Ben has proved to be just as big of an idiot, but nobody that I've heard of equates that with a low I.Q. or specifically, an inability to grasp a playbook. IMO, their actions are more an issue of judgement/immaturity than intelligence (football, or otherwise).

If he scores a -14 on his Wunderlic, or if his coach said they had to dumb down the playbook because he couldn't grasp anything more complex than RUN1 and PASS2, that's a different matter.

Again, IF he did have to cheat on tests in college, he MAY have a problem processing complex data or have bad study habits, making it hard to learn anything, especially complex offenses and defenses in the NFL. IF this is the case, then he probably will have a hard time in the NFL.

You're right...he MAY have a problem, or he may not. Teams could put him on the whiteboard and come away really impressed with what he knows, what he sees and what he's able to process in small windows of time. Or they could come away shaking their heads thinking this guy would be lucky to play TE in the NFL.

We don't know yet, but I don't think his freshman behavior will be the determining factor.

If he can shed tacklers and effectively use the pump fake like Big Ben can, then he has a great chance to be an NFL QB. B. Roeth isn't exactly all that great passing within the play design.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

Because he's black? Come on. I think he is an idiot for his action that include cheating on tests; stealing a laptop, writing his name on it and then throwing it out the window when the police show up.

There's a difference between being an idiot and having a low I.Q.. Big Ben has proved to be just as big of an idiot, but nobody that I've heard of equates that with a low I.Q. or specifically, an inability to grasp a playbook. IMO, their actions are more an issue of judgement/immaturity than intelligence (football, or otherwise).

If he scores a -14 on his Wunderlic, or if his coach said they had to dumb down the playbook because he couldn't grasp anything more complex than RUN1 and PASS2, that's a different matter.

Again, IF he did have to cheat on tests in college, he MAY have a problem processing complex data or have bad study habits, making it hard to learn anything, especially complex offenses and defenses in the NFL. IF this is the case, then he probably will have a hard time in the NFL.

Cheating on tests on subjects he is not familiar with is completely different than studying playbooks, something all football players have done their entire lives. Cam has shown the ability to learn three, yet somewhat similar, versions of the spread....with different terminology. Stop acting as if he is the only one to have cheated, Ive said it before, and I'll say it again....he aint the first and certainly not the last. Get over that fact. Again this wouldnt be an issue had Florida not illegaly leaked this info out.

The issue with the police is chalked up for being young and dumb. Dont sit on your throne of judgment and condemn him for buying a stolen laptop. He could have done alot worse. We have all done things dumb when we were young, especially when you are in a new place. Cmon now.

His dad is a different story. He is the one that is dispicable. Although nothing has been proven, it is still a horrible matter.

Camscuses? You guys still come up with the same argument. You are so much better at being a human being it is obvious that you would reject Cam as a human being, because he doesent fit in with your club. Get over it.

Oh and with your Tebow refference, I have yet to find one scout or analyist to say that Cam and Tebows mechanics are the same. Tebow was never regarded as a round 1 prospect....Cam is, because his ceiling is alot higher. Sure, Cam has some issues like throwing off his back foot too much, or little things like that, but they are easily correctable with proper coaching....

[ Edited by ninerlifer on Feb 1, 2011 at 17:01:30 ]
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

Because he's black? Come on. I think he is an idiot for his action that include cheating on tests; stealing a laptop, writing his name on it and then throwing it out the window when the police show up.

There's a difference between being an idiot and having a low I.Q.. Big Ben has proved to be just as big of an idiot, but nobody that I've heard of equates that with a low I.Q. or specifically, an inability to grasp a playbook. IMO, their actions are more an issue of judgement/immaturity than intelligence (football, or otherwise).

If he scores a -14 on his Wunderlic, or if his coach said they had to dumb down the playbook because he couldn't grasp anything more complex than RUN1 and PASS2, that's a different matter.

Again, IF he did have to cheat on tests in college, he MAY have a problem processing complex data or have bad study habits, making it hard to learn anything, especially complex offenses and defenses in the NFL. IF this is the case, then he probably will have a hard time in the NFL.

Cheating on tests on subjects he is not familiar with is completely different than studying playbooks, something all football players have done their entire lives. Cam has shown the ability to learn three, yet somewhat similar, versions of the spread....with different terminology. Stop acting as if he is the only one to have cheated, Ive said it before, and I'll say it again....he aint the first and certainly not the last. Get over that fact. Again this wouldnt be an issue had Florida not illegaly leaked this info out.

The issue with the police is chalked up for being young and dumb. Dont sit on your throne of judgment and condemn him for buying a stolen laptop. He could have done alot worse. We have all done things dumb when we were young, especially when you are in a new place. Cmon now.

His dad is a different story. He is the one that is dispicable. Although nothing has been proven, it is still a horrible matter.

Camscuses....you guys still come up with the same argument. You are so much better at being a human being it is obvious that you would reject Cam as a human being, because he doesent fit in with your club. Get over it.

Step off. Who is condemning Cam Newton? Get off your judgment high horse and stop condemning me or anyone else. Stop being a hypocrite. I put conditional clauses in all of my statements. I never accused Cam Newton of cheating.

I've been to college three times over on different levels, not to mention teaching various courses. I know that any core course is passable by any undergraduate student if they put time and effort into it and have even a modicum of work habit. And saying that "he ain't the first to cheat", is certainly not an excuse. It's like saying, "I'm not the first one to cheat on my wife, and I won't be last", as if that makes everything O.K.. There is NO excuse for cheating and I have failed students for doing such. Students who cheat don't belong in institutions of higher education and it is a shame if any higher institution covers it up. They demean the very purpose of education and cheat themselves. I mean, why go to college, an optional place to go to learn, if you have no genuine intention to learn anything, but how to be a thief and liar?

Again, if you read my post, you would have seen that I stated that IF he cheated, it COULD be a sign that he has either a poor study habit, which could affect a player who plays a position that demands a lot of time and effort in the classroom, or, it COULD mean that he lacks the ability to learn well and has to take "short-cuts", which also has its adverse effects on the position.

In regards to the laptops. He was an adult during incident, not a 13 year old. He was responsible for his actions and chose to try to avoid authority and getting into trouble when he knew he did something wrong. He could have realized he made a mistake afterwards and truly have repented, or he could have been repentant only of the fact that he was caught. In the former case, he gained some moral character, in the latter, he gained the knowledge that he should try harder to be deceptive in criminal matters. Only Cam Newton knows which one applies to him. I can only judge the incident as a point of concern and need for investigation in the future, especially if the Niners want to draft him. They have to investigate everything.

Further, you condemn his father, but you forget that he IS Cam Newton's father and Cam IS his son. He is very close to his father and seems to put a lot of authority in his hands when making decisions. That is worrisome, especially when his father seems to try his hardest to make a profit off of his son. Who knows how much of Newton's father's unethical behavior has rubbed off on Cam? But, that really isn't a concern. The concern is whether the father will continue to be "meddlesome" in his NFL career, which could cause tensions with any team that deals with him.

Again, no one is condemning Cam as a human being. No human has that right. But, one can be worried about how Cam acts and in what ways it will impact his NFL career and the team that wants to invest in him.

[ Edited by RedWaltz24 on Feb 1, 2011 at 17:49:10 ]
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

Because he's black? Come on. I think he is an idiot for his action that include cheating on tests; stealing a laptop, writing his name on it and then throwing it out the window when the police show up.

There's a difference between being an idiot and having a low I.Q.. Big Ben has proved to be just as big of an idiot, but nobody that I've heard of equates that with a low I.Q. or specifically, an inability to grasp a playbook. IMO, their actions are more an issue of judgement/immaturity than intelligence (football, or otherwise).

If he scores a -14 on his Wunderlic, or if his coach said they had to dumb down the playbook because he couldn't grasp anything more complex than RUN1 and PASS2, that's a different matter.

Again, IF he did have to cheat on tests in college, he MAY have a problem processing complex data or have bad study habits, making it hard to learn anything, especially complex offenses and defenses in the NFL. IF this is the case, then he probably will have a hard time in the NFL.

Cheating on tests on subjects he is not familiar with is completely different than studying playbooks, something all football players have done their entire lives. Cam has shown the ability to learn three, yet somewhat similar, versions of the spread....with different terminology. Stop acting as if he is the only one to have cheated, Ive said it before, and I'll say it again....he aint the first and certainly not the last. Get over that fact. Again this wouldnt be an issue had Florida not illegaly leaked this info out.

The issue with the police is chalked up for being young and dumb. Dont sit on your throne of judgment and condemn him for buying a stolen laptop. He could have done alot worse. We have all done things dumb when we were young, especially when you are in a new place. Cmon now.

His dad is a different story. He is the one that is dispicable. Although nothing has been proven, it is still a horrible matter.

Camscuses....you guys still come up with the same argument. You are so much better at being a human being it is obvious that you would reject Cam as a human being, because he doesent fit in with your club. Get over it.

Step off. Who is condemning Cam Newton? Get off your judgment high horse and stop condemning me or anyone else. Stop being a hypocrite. I put conditional clauses in all of my statements. I never accused Cam Newton of cheating.

I've been to college three times over on different levels, not to mention teaching various courses. I know that any core course is passable by any undergraduate student if they put time and effort into it and have even a modicum of work habit. And saying that "he ain't the first to cheat", is certainly not an excuse. It's like saying, "I'm not the first one to cheat on my wife, and I won't be last", as if that makes everything O.K.. There is NO excuse for cheating and I have failed students for doing such. Students who cheat don't belong in institutions of higher education and it is a shame if any higher institution covers it up. They demean the very purpose of education and cheat themselves. I mean, why go to college, an optional place to go to learn, if you have no genuine intention to learn anything, but how to be a thief and liar?

Again, if you read my post, you would have seen that I stated that IF he cheated, it COULD be a sign that he has either a poor study habit, which could affect a player who plays a position that demands a lot of time and effort in the classroom, or, it COULD mean that he lacks the ability to learn well and has to take "short-cuts", which also has its adverse effects on the position.

In regards to the laptops. He was an adult during incident, not a 13 year old. He was responsible for his actions and chose to try to avoid authority and getting into trouble when he knew he did something wrong. He could have realized he made a mistake afterwards and truly have repented, or he could have been repentant only of the fact that he was caught. In the former case, he gained some moral character, in the latter, he gained the knowledge that he should try harder to be deceptive in criminal matters. Only Cam Newton knows which one applies to him. I can only judge the incident as a point of concern and need for investigation in the future, especially if the Niners want to draft him. They have to investigate everything.

Further, you condemn his father, but you forget that he IS Cam Newton's father and Cam IS his son. He is very close to his father and seems to put a lot of authority in his hands when making decisions. That is worrisome, especially when his father seems to try his hardest to make a profit off of his son. Who knows how much of Newton's father's unethical behavior has rubbed off on Cam? But, that really isn't a concern. The concern is whether the father will continue to be "meddlesome" in his NFL career, which could cause tensions with any team that deals with him.

Again, no one is condemning Cam as a human being. No human has that right. But, one can be worried about how Cam acts and in what ways it will impact his NFL career and the team that wants to invest in him.

If you are a teacher, then you should understand how most of the student athletes are raised...most institutions, studies are taken lightly. Football is a business, most of these players spend most of their time training and studying playbooks, not real books.. Most of the schools let them get away with taking studies lightly. Its not that hard to understand, don't be so naieve to think that all students who go to school are superiorly intellegent than those that dont. That is not the case here.

And saying he is a legal adult is fine. But its the first time away from his parents living in a new city. Most of them are wide eyed, trying to meet new friends, and learning to live on their own. And $hit happens. Really why harp on it....MOST of us have made similar mistakes, I know I have...maybe you may have not, because this is such a big deal. I chalk it up to a kid being a kid....yeah he is 18....and if you have heard any of his interviews on the subject, Im sure maybe you will have a change of heart.
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Thorhawk:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Are there any facts that Cam is a "dumb QB"?

Nope....just hearsay and opinion so far, likely because he's black. He may be dumb as a rock, but I've not read anything that actually confirms that.

Because he's black? Come on. I think he is an idiot for his action that include cheating on tests; stealing a laptop, writing his name on it and then throwing it out the window when the police show up.

There's a difference between being an idiot and having a low I.Q.. Big Ben has proved to be just as big of an idiot, but nobody that I've heard of equates that with a low I.Q. or specifically, an inability to grasp a playbook. IMO, their actions are more an issue of judgement/immaturity than intelligence (football, or otherwise).

If he scores a -14 on his Wunderlic, or if his coach said they had to dumb down the playbook because he couldn't grasp anything more complex than RUN1 and PASS2, that's a different matter.

Again, IF he did have to cheat on tests in college, he MAY have a problem processing complex data or have bad study habits, making it hard to learn anything, especially complex offenses and defenses in the NFL. IF this is the case, then he probably will have a hard time in the NFL.

Cheating on tests on subjects he is not familiar with is completely different than studying playbooks, something all football players have done their entire lives. Cam has shown the ability to learn three, yet somewhat similar, versions of the spread....with different terminology. Stop acting as if he is the only one to have cheated, Ive said it before, and I'll say it again....he aint the first and certainly not the last. Get over that fact. Again this wouldnt be an issue had Florida not illegaly leaked this info out.

The issue with the police is chalked up for being young and dumb. Dont sit on your throne of judgment and condemn him for buying a stolen laptop. He could have done alot worse. We have all done things dumb when we were young, especially when you are in a new place. Cmon now.

His dad is a different story. He is the one that is dispicable. Although nothing has been proven, it is still a horrible matter.

Camscuses....you guys still come up with the same argument. You are so much better at being a human being it is obvious that you would reject Cam as a human being, because he doesent fit in with your club. Get over it.

Step off. Who is condemning Cam Newton? Get off your judgment high horse and stop condemning me or anyone else. Stop being a hypocrite. I put conditional clauses in all of my statements. I never accused Cam Newton of cheating.

I've been to college three times over on different levels, not to mention teaching various courses. I know that any core course is passable by any undergraduate student if they put time and effort into it and have even a modicum of work habit. And saying that "he ain't the first to cheat", is certainly not an excuse. It's like saying, "I'm not the first one to cheat on my wife, and I won't be last", as if that makes everything O.K.. There is NO excuse for cheating and I have failed students for doing such. Students who cheat don't belong in institutions of higher education and it is a shame if any higher institution covers it up. They demean the very purpose of education and cheat themselves. I mean, why go to college, an optional place to go to learn, if you have no genuine intention to learn anything, but how to be a thief and liar?

Again, if you read my post, you would have seen that I stated that IF he cheated, it COULD be a sign that he has either a poor study habit, which could affect a player who plays a position that demands a lot of time and effort in the classroom, or, it COULD mean that he lacks the ability to learn well and has to take "short-cuts", which also has its adverse effects on the position.

In regards to the laptops. He was an adult during incident, not a 13 year old. He was responsible for his actions and chose to try to avoid authority and getting into trouble when he knew he did something wrong. He could have realized he made a mistake afterwards and truly have repented, or he could have been repentant only of the fact that he was caught. In the former case, he gained some moral character, in the latter, he gained the knowledge that he should try harder to be deceptive in criminal matters. Only Cam Newton knows which one applies to him. I can only judge the incident as a point of concern and need for investigation in the future, especially if the Niners want to draft him. They have to investigate everything.

Further, you condemn his father, but you forget that he IS Cam Newton's father and Cam IS his son. He is very close to his father and seems to put a lot of authority in his hands when making decisions. That is worrisome, especially when his father seems to try his hardest to make a profit off of his son. Who knows how much of Newton's father's unethical behavior has rubbed off on Cam? But, that really isn't a concern. The concern is whether the father will continue to be "meddlesome" in his NFL career, which could cause tensions with any team that deals with him.

Again, no one is condemning Cam as a human being. No human has that right. But, one can be worried about how Cam acts and in what ways it will impact his NFL career and the team that wants to invest in him.

If you are a teacher, then you should understand how most of the student athletes are raised...most institutions, studies are taken lightly. Football is a business, most of these players spend most of their time training and studying playbooks, not real books.. Most of the schools let them get away with taking studies lightly. Its not that hard to understand, don't be so naieve to think that all students who go to school are superiorly intellegent than those that dont. That is not the case here.

And saying he is a legal adult is fine. But its the first time away from his parents living in a new city. Most of them are wide eyed, trying to meet new friends, and learning to live on their own. And $hit happens. Really why harp on it....MOST of us have made similar mistakes, I know I have...maybe you may have not, because this is such a big deal. I chalk it up to a kid being a kid....yeah he is 18....and if you have heard any of his interviews on the subject, Im sure maybe you will have a change of heart.

There are athletes in sports who are 10-15 years older than he is who do things as dumb if not even dumber and still can play the game at a high level.

He might have been legal at that time, but how many NFL prospects in or around the same age do dumb s**t that sometimes hurts their draft status (other times it doesn't). At that age a lot, and I mean A LOT of of young adults make bad decisions, doesn't mean they don't learn from it. It's a part of being that age.

This is exactly why NFL teams do background checks and will listen to anyone and everyone who may have some insight into a player.
Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by ninerlifer:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
at some of these people hoping scam will be a 9er, there is possibly no way in hell does baalke and harbaugh take a project like newton 7th. what makes you newton fans think that after the smith debacle that we'll take another project but a dumb 1 this time around coming from another gimmick offense. harbaugh and baalke dont have 2 yrs or possibly more to wait on newton to know the nfl and wco when we can get someone at 7 thats more of a clear picture



Every QB n player drafted is a project. You have to look at the rare & unique abilities when drafting in the top 10. For a QB needy team Newton fits the bill perfectly. More than any other QB we could draft. Look at what Harbaugh did with Josh Johnson. Newton is the heavyweight version of him. Without the Russell man titties. Cannon arm, speed, accuracy, poise, and elite size. The best of all he doesnt make bad throws into coverage. He doesnt make that game ending throw like a Locker,Mallet or Gabbert. Harbaugh is perfectly capable coaching his mechanics and footwork. Its a huge reason he is here and gets 5 mill a year. Once thats done we will have the best QB in the division.

scam is a project that harbaugh wont be working with and im happy about that, im 100% confident he wont be a 9er. but i guess people love to hope he would be a 9er only to see come the end of april he wont be and all this newton talk about hopefully being a 9er can die

Are you following Harbaugh around with a pooper scooper in your hands following Harbaugh everywhere he goes? Do you wipe Harbaugh's ass everytime he goes to take a dump? Your bias and idiotic assumptions are getting old. How do you "know" that he wont? Because the Niners failed with Alex Smith means that we wont NEVER take a QB in the first again? Get real man.

We need a QB. Harbaugh specializes in QBs. Because there wont be FA until after the draft, QB is #1 on our list. Really, do you really want mediocre play from the QB position for the next decade? We cant sit and wait around, and pray that some mediocre FA QB comes in and becomes Jesus re-incarnated. We need a QB, Cam is a potential look. So is Locker, Mallett, and Gabbert, each of them have their own "faults"...there is no doubt in my mind any of them can play in the NFL over time. These 4 will go in the 1st. And all four are much better than the second tier qbs in this draft.

Besides, Peyton Manning was the last sure thing to come in to the NFL from college. And there wont be another like him till Luck comes out next year.

whatever buddy just dont cry when newton is not a 9er

100 bux Fred doesnt even watch college football muchless SEC football. Youre wasting your time with his hating a*****e attitude.

how the f**k am i hating??? me saying i pray to god newton is not a 9er hating??? ive seen newton play and i can give 2 s**ts about running college football players over, having a strong arm jumping into the stands after games and etc whatever he does. newton can play qb at fsu and i still wouldnt want him. no way do i want my 9ers taking a f**king 1 yr wonder coming from an offense as gimmicky as they come. for those reason i know baalke and harbaugh wont risk a high pick on him. say whatever you want newton's agent but he will not be wearing a 9ers jersey and i will laugh when your newton being a 9er fantasy goes to hell
Be glad that the Newton is coming out this year, because had he stayed, Auburn may just win another title, Cam may just win the Heisman back to back, and he will be the 1st overall pick in next year's draft.. yes, ahead of Andrew Luck.

With Harbaughs' touch, Cam will be THAT kinda QB that this league will see once in a life time... Each time i watch the guy play, you just feel the IT all over him.. and if he has to sit for a year, so be it.. This guy will bring the Montana-Young presence back to San Francisco..

He just got that Magic Johnson charisma in him...

plus, who in this draft is "a sure thing" anyways..