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Randy Moss Vs Jerry Rice-Let's be real.

Originally posted by 49ertrue1:

I don't see why it's so hard to put Moss up there with Jerry, other than, you don't like Moss & Rice is your hero. Other than that, there is no argument to why Rice is better.

Once again, your sorry ass assumptions don't apply to me. I am a huge Randy Moss fan. So why is it that I don't agree with you? Because you're wrong.

The way you take offense and start calling people idiots leads me to believe you aren't a 49er fan. Why would a true 49er fan get all asshurt when someone says Moss isn't better than Rice? You are a Randy Moss nut-hugger trolling this forum trying to make people think you're a Niner fan with their eyes open while the rest of us are clueless homers. You fail.

You're an ignorant jackass and you conveniently ignore posts that shoot your theories down. Like someone said, why hasn't Moss obliterated all of Jerry Rice's records if he is so much better?

There are plenty of receivers physically more gifted than Rice. Randy Moss is one of them. There are probably a sh*tload in the league right now. When it comes down to it, that doesn't mean a damn thing on game day. Rice produced like no other, and that's ALL THAT MATTERS. I don't care how close Randy Moss is to some of Rice's records. Why isn't he owning them all?
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 49ertrue1:

I don't see why it's so hard to put Moss up there with Jerry, other than, you don't like Moss & Rice is your hero. Other than that, there is no argument to why Rice is better.

Once again, your sorry ass assumptions don't apply to me. I am a huge Randy Moss fan. So why is it that I don't agree with you? Because you're wrong.

The way you take offense and start calling people idiots leads me to believe you aren't a 49er fan. Why would a true 49er fan get all asshurt when someone says Moss isn't better than Rice? You are a Randy Moss nut-hugger trolling this forum trying to make people think you're a Niner fan with their eyes open while the rest of us are clueless homers. You fail.

You're an ignorant jackass and you conveniently ignore posts that shoot your theories down. Like someone said, why hasn't Moss obliterated all of Jerry Rice's records if he is so much better?

There are plenty of receivers physically more gifted than Rice. Randy Moss is one of them. There are probably a sh*tload in the league right now. When it comes down to it, that doesn't mean a damn thing on game day. Rice produced like no other, and that's ALL THAT MATTERS. I don't care how close Randy Moss is to some of Rice's records. Why isn't he owning them all?

I'm not afraid to say Moss is more talented and supremely gifted than Rice. But greatest of all time? Never.
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Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 49ertrue1:

I don't see why it's so hard to put Moss up there with Jerry, other than, you don't like Moss & Rice is your hero. Other than that, there is no argument to why Rice is better.

Once again, your sorry ass assumptions don't apply to me. I am a huge Randy Moss fan. So why is it that I don't agree with you? Because you're wrong.

The way you take offense and start calling people idiots leads me to believe you aren't a 49er fan. Why would a true 49er fan get all asshurt when someone says Moss isn't better than Rice? You are a Randy Moss nut-hugger trolling this forum trying to make people think you're a Niner fan with their eyes open while the rest of us are clueless homers. You fail.

You're an ignorant jackass and you conveniently ignore posts that shoot your theories down. Like someone said, why hasn't Moss obliterated all of Jerry Rice's records if he is so much better?

There are plenty of receivers physically more gifted than Rice. Randy Moss is one of them. There are probably a sh*tload in the league right now. When it comes down to it, that doesn't mean a damn thing on game day. Rice produced like no other, and that's ALL THAT MATTERS. I don't care how close Randy Moss is to some of Rice's records. Why isn't he owning them all?

Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
Hey, guys, I still say Rice is the greatest ever, but it doesn't mean Moss can't be debated on being a better WR. No doubt, Rice will prolly go down with the best career, but we're not debating career's. We're debating on who is just better. Plain & simple. I know, i'm guilty too at times, going past that debate.

If you're talking strictly physical ability, then yes, Moss is more gifted. He's taller, faster and has better leaping ability. So does Calvin Johnson. So does Larry Fitzgerald. So what? None of that means anything unless he produces on the field better than Rice did. Almost every fighter Manny Pacquiao fights these days is physically superior to him, but that obviously doesn't make them BETTER since they all LOSE to Pacquiao. Same thing with Rice. Rice was better at everything taught to a wide receiver. That includes route-running (ESPECIALLY over the middle, where Moss is timid), hands, run after the catch,etc. He was definitely more clutch and made the big play when it needed to be made countless times. How many times has Moss done it?

I do agree that you CAN make an argument for Randy Moss Vs. Jerry Rice, but you went about it like an assh*le and pissed everyone off. You can also make an argument for several QBs over the great Joe Montana and a few guys better than Ronnie Lott. Will you win those arguments? Probably not, but they can be made.

[ Edited by 49erRider on Mar 26, 2010 at 11:57:10 ]
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
everyone knows moss is the most feared player on offense...they design entire defenses to stop him, since the first day he stepped in NFL. The threat of a TD, on one pass, yes, Moss created the most fear ever to the defensive backfield.

Just 3 years ago, many people argued that TO was the most feared Wr in the game at the time...because he could beat you deep or could take a short pass and go the distance. He could break tackles or outrun the defense. I have seen Moss run out of bounds at the hint of contact several times. If TO wasn't such a team cancer - one could argue he was a better overall player than Moss.

...and I don't think Revis is much scared of Moss. He will SHUT DOWN Moss again in 2010. Moss in two games against Revis - 58 yards 1 TD.

Agreed 100% with 49ersMyLife. Great post.

An argument can really be made for Owens Vs. Moss. Think about it.

And no, I highly doubt Revis has any fear of Moss. Rice has never been owned by a CB, Revis owns Moss.
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Randy Moss, best ever?

Ok lets see here, hmm, Moss played in one Super Bowl, the biggest stage in sports. Surely, as the best of all time he must of had a monster game, right?
He had 5 catches for 62 yards and 1 touch down, not bad.

Ok now Jerry Rice, I mean what has he ever done, lets look at his Super Bowl numbers, can't be better than the great Randy Moss.

1988 Super Bowl: 11 catches, 215 yards receiving, 1 touchdown, and one rush for 5 yards, 220 yards total offense.

That must of been some kind of fluke though right?

1989 Super Bowl: 7 catches, 148 yards, 3 touchdowns

Well sure he dominated the 80s, but I mean come on! He had Joe Montana at quarterback....

1994 Super Bowl: 10 catches, 149 yards, 3 touchdowns, 1 rush for 10 yards.

Sure, he had SEVEN touchdowns in 3 Super Bowls, but he played with Steve Young and Joe Montana, and for all those great Niner teams, he couldn't do that if he played somewhere else.....

2002 Super Bowl: 5 catches, 77 yards, 1 touchdown.

See! That's pretty close to Randy's numbers! So, Randy must be better! Oh wait, you mean Jerry Rice put up those numbers at age 39? You mean Randy Moss's only Super Bowl performance equals Jerry's worst? So, how exactly is Randy Moss better? Don't the best play at their best when it matters most? Isn't that why they are, you know, the best?!

Look Junior, when Randy Moss comes through in a game that matters, and there are first for everything, then speak up. When he does it consistently over a whole career, then you can come sit down at the grown folks table. But until that day, Randy Moss is just a guy with a lot of "pretty" numbers that doesn't come through in the clutch, and you are just some kid spouting off at the kids table, now eat your vegetables and kindly shut up.
Originally posted by Rivers77:
Originally posted by djb49:
First, the comparison you are posing is an interesting debate. It reminds me of Joe Montana vs. Tom Brady. But, what bothers me is that at some points you talk as if you are just comparing Moss to Rice, and then other times you say Moss is better than Rice. You have to stick to one point and hold on to it for others to understand what you're saying.

Now, with the comparison between the two, it actually doesn't bother me that you are doing that. They play the same position and both have above exceptional skill at the position. Everyone knows how amazing Rice was hands down. But, we also know that Moss is a great receiver as well. At the end of the day, however, I just cannot fathom why you would believe Moss is better than Rice.

I do believe Moss is an awesome receiver. The stats, the name, the plays; he is known around the league as a top flight receiver. But, I believe you are in the minority believing he is better than Rice. Even if he were able to break all of Rice's records, which is something I doubt, at this moment in time, no one can top what Rice is and has done.

As someone pointed out earlier, it would be like comparing Kobe and Lebron to Jordan. You just can't do it. And, to me, it is because it's a generational thing. Too many people remember what Rice and Jordan did when they played. Maybe years down the road, when new superstars of the game emerge, names we talk about today will slowly drift into just history. But, now, it is too early to dub a new game changer since players like Rice and Jordan are just recent retirees.

Lastly, I completely agree with those that point to Rice's attitude in contrast to Moss' attitude. If you are trying to put someone on top, they must be an all around player and person. Moss will give up on plays and also became pathetic to watch while in Oakland. Whereas Rice did everything he could to help his team. Come on, he even reduced his contract to help with other contracts on the team. Would Moss do that?

And, IIRC, didn't Lott even say at the beginning of his career that Rice cried because he was dropping balls and felt like he was letting his team down? Lott said that that showed how much he actually cared about his team since he didn't like letting his team down.

In one post you say that Jerry Rice couldn't hold Randy Moss' jock strap and just a few posts back you admit Rice is the best receiver of all time. You have to stick to one point and hold on to it for others to understand what you're saying.

Heh, please show me where I said Rice couldn't hold Moss's jock strap. I never said that or even insinuated that. All I was getting at was just like 49erider said, that you can debate it, but, in the end, Rice will come out on top every time.
Originally posted by djb49:
Originally posted by Rivers77:
Originally posted by djb49:
First, the comparison you are posing is an interesting debate. It reminds me of Joe Montana vs. Tom Brady. But, what bothers me is that at some points you talk as if you are just comparing Moss to Rice, and then other times you say Moss is better than Rice. You have to stick to one point and hold on to it for others to understand what you're saying.

Now, with the comparison between the two, it actually doesn't bother me that you are doing that. They play the same position and both have above exceptional skill at the position. Everyone knows how amazing Rice was hands down. But, we also know that Moss is a great receiver as well. At the end of the day, however, I just cannot fathom why you would believe Moss is better than Rice.

I do believe Moss is an awesome receiver. The stats, the name, the plays; he is known around the league as a top flight receiver. But, I believe you are in the minority believing he is better than Rice. Even if he were able to break all of Rice's records, which is something I doubt, at this moment in time, no one can top what Rice is and has done.

As someone pointed out earlier, it would be like comparing Kobe and Lebron to Jordan. You just can't do it. And, to me, it is because it's a generational thing. Too many people remember what Rice and Jordan did when they played. Maybe years down the road, when new superstars of the game emerge, names we talk about today will slowly drift into just history. But, now, it is too early to dub a new game changer since players like Rice and Jordan are just recent retirees.

Lastly, I completely agree with those that point to Rice's attitude in contrast to Moss' attitude. If you are trying to put someone on top, they must be an all around player and person. Moss will give up on plays and also became pathetic to watch while in Oakland. Whereas Rice did everything he could to help his team. Come on, he even reduced his contract to help with other contracts on the team. Would Moss do that?

And, IIRC, didn't Lott even say at the beginning of his career that Rice cried because he was dropping balls and felt like he was letting his team down? Lott said that that showed how much he actually cared about his team since he didn't like letting his team down.

In one post you say that Jerry Rice couldn't hold Randy Moss' jock strap and just a few posts back you admit Rice is the best receiver of all time. You have to stick to one point and hold on to it for others to understand what you're saying.

Heh, please show me where I said Rice couldn't hold Moss's jock strap. I never said that or even insinuated that. All I was getting at was just like 49erider said, that you can debate it, but, in the end, Rice will come out on top every time.

Crap. My bad completely on that one. I grabbed the wrong thing. Please disregard and accept my apologies.
Originally posted by luv49rs:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by 49ertrue1:

I don't see why it's so hard to put Moss up there with Jerry, other than, you don't like Moss & Rice is your hero. Other than that, there is no argument to why Rice is better.

Once again, your sorry ass assumptions don't apply to me. I am a huge Randy Moss fan. So why is it that I don't agree with you? Because you're wrong.

The way you take offense and start calling people idiots leads me to believe you aren't a 49er fan. Why would a true 49er fan get all asshurt when someone says Moss isn't better than Rice? You are a Randy Moss nut-hugger trolling this forum trying to make people think you're a Niner fan with their eyes open while the rest of us are clueless homers. You fail.

You're an ignorant jackass and you conveniently ignore posts that shoot your theories down. Like someone said, why hasn't Moss obliterated all of Jerry Rice's records if he is so much better?

There are plenty of receivers physically more gifted than Rice. Randy Moss is one of them. There are probably a sh*tload in the league right now. When it comes down to it, that doesn't mean a damn thing on game day. Rice produced like no other, and that's ALL THAT MATTERS. I don't care how close Randy Moss is to some of Rice's records. Why isn't he owning them all?

Sorry but coaches comments have to be thrown out when the player in question is on the current roster. Of course Bellicheat is going to say Moss is the man.

Remember Martz's comments about JTO?
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Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by 49ertrue1:
3 rings not a reason why he's better. Robert Horry has 6 NBA titles. Is he better than Kobe Bryant?

Get em s2d lol! Moss's rookie year he was also facing a safety, nickle, or linebacker! Cause thvikes started jake reed and chris carter ahead of randy moss! Great player yes but jerry status nah! No one is! Just like no one will hold barry sanders jock! And all that s**t was hard to read ha ha I did it tho!
No but he's a lot better than you made him out to be. As someone who is a fan of a team Robert Horry f**ked in the ass I know the guy was a dangerous player, helped space the floor very well, and played good D. But I mean IMO, it is a reason Rice is better than Moss. Rice playing with a great QB=3 rings. Moss goes to NE and they haven't won a superbowl since. Is that his fault? No but Rice stepped it up in big games, he was ridiculously clutch.

I fail to see how Moss's high school football and basketball careers makes him a better player than Jerry? I'm a decent basketball player but that doesn't mean I could've started on my HS football team or even played. Or I'm a decent COD MW2 player but that doesn't mean I'm good at Madden. You just dug up everything pro Moss you could to slander Jerry, and you didn't even use multiple paragraphs. I read part of it but after that my eyes dang near exploded from that wall of text.
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Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
we haven't banned this troll yet?

Randy Moss, best ever?

Ok lets see here, hmm, Moss played in one Super Bowl, the biggest stage in sports. Surely, as the best of all time he must of had a monster game, right?
He had 5 catches for 62 yards and 1 touch down, not bad.

Ok now Jerry Rice, I mean what has he ever done, lets look at his Super Bowl numbers, can't be better than the great Randy Moss.

1988 Super Bowl: 11 catches, 215 yards receiving, 1 touchdown, and one rush for 5 yards, 220 yards total offense.

That must of been some kind of fluke though right?

1989 Super Bowl: 7 catches, 148 yards, 3 touchdowns

Well sure he dominated the 80s, but I mean come on! He had Joe Montana at quarterback....

1994 Super Bowl: 10 catches, 149 yards, 3 touchdowns, 1 rush for 10 yards.

Sure, he had SEVEN touchdowns in 3 Super Bowls, but he played with Steve Young and Joe Montana, and for all those great Niner teams, he couldn't do that if he played somewhere else.....

2002 Super Bowl: 5 catches, 77 yards, 1 touchdown.

See! That's pretty close to Randy's numbers! So, Randy must be better! Oh wait, you mean Jerry Rice put up those numbers at age 39? You mean Randy Moss's only Super Bowl performance equals Jerry's worst? So, how exactly is Randy Moss better? Don't the best play at their best when it matters most? Isn't that why they are, you know, the best?!

Look Junior, when Randy Moss comes through in a game that matters, and there are first for everything, then speak up. When he does it consistently over a whole career, then you can come sit down at the grown folks table. But until that day, Randy Moss is just a guy with a lot of "pretty" numbers that doesn't come through in the clutch, and you are just some kid spouting off at the kids table, now eat your vegetables and kindly shut up.



This post should end all arguments of who was the greatest or is the greatest.

Still waiting on those facts btw true1.
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