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Trade for Kevin Kolb bandwagon

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Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by Envy:
Originally posted by excelsior:
No one has made a convincing case that we should want Kolb over Alex Smith, even if Kolb was a FA where you wouldn't have to give up a valuable draft choice.

In his entire 4 year career, he has played in only 16 games, so he has little game experience. Although playing for one of the very best offensive oraganizations, he has put up less than steller numbers. This year alone, he played in 5 games:
Vs Wash 76.0 rating 1 TD 1 INT
Vs SF 103.3 1 0
Vs Atl 133.6 3 1
Vs Tenn 56.9 1 2
Vs Dal 37.0 1 3

Finished the year at 76.1 rating with 7 TDs and 7 INTs.

His record reminds you of JTO and Troy Smith: They started with a splash, then with a little film on them, they sink into putrid play.

So tell me why you want to give up a 2nd round choice for him?

Statistically I can't make an argument for Kolb over Smith. His numbers don't look exceptional but then again he was injured and he had to contend with Vick's play. I can make a case for the system he has learned to play over the past few years. The fact he has experience of the WCO only increases his value in my book.

I'm not an Alex fan but I don't wish him any ill. His time here is a failure from both sides and equal responsibility must be taken. In my opinion Smith is not a WCO QB.

i could be totally off base with this but wasnt he drafte to be a WCO qb?

Yeah, by Nolan and McCloughan.

Which almost provides and answer to a much asked question of what has went wrong with the 9ers. Whether they expected Smith could be moulded into a WCO or thought that they would essentially phase out the WCO and Smith was the best option is up for debate. Obviously external issues caused us going back to the board every year.

Its not a knock on Smith. Brady is not a WCO QB. Neither is Manning. Its not the be all and end all of everything football to be a WCO player but on this team with this history you better be a WCO QB trying to learn a new system and not the other way round.
If any team trades for Kolb, won't they be giving up next year's picks because of the expiration of the CBA? Be great to see the 9ers trade next year's 2nd and the following year's 3rd for him. I would be pumped to see Kolb, V. Miller/Quinn and Jimmy Smith offseason as it addresses our key areas.
i dont think i would give a 2nd for him but a 3rd and 1 of our 4th is a good deal for him
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
i dont think i would give a 2nd for him but a 3rd and 1 of our 4th is a good deal for him

It will cost more than that. A 2nd at least or maybe swap 1st rounders.
Kolb and Larry Fitzgerald are flirting through the media.

Quote:

A week ago, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that Larry Fitzgerald had dropped Kevin Kolb's name when Cardinals' management talked to him about their future quarterback situation.

This week, during an interview with WIP's Howard Eskin and Ike Reese, Kolb said he was flattered that Fitzgerald would think so highly of him.

"I mean, if he's not the best, he's one of the best receivers in the NFL, superstar," Kolb said. "For a guy like that to say something about me, it means a lot. And it's awfully flattering, and I hope that if something happens, their name comes up."

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Kolb_flattered_by_Fitzgerald_report.html
Some of you want to judge Kolb's value much like many of you judged JTO and Troy Smith. For the first few games, they looked very good (passed the "eyeball test"?). Then they fell apart. Do you want me to put up their stats? It would simply show that a few games are hardly enough to make a judgment on a QB. Kolb's value is still quite uncertain.
Originally posted by excelsior:
Some of you want to judge Kolb's value much like many of you judged JTO and Troy Smith. For the first few games, they looked very good (passed the "eyeball test"?). Then they fell apart. Do you want me to put up their stats? It would simply show that a few games are hardly enough to make a judgment on a QB. Kolb's value is still quite uncertain.

You honestly can't tell the difference between a QB selected in the early 2nd round and groomed by one of the best QB evaluators in the league who traded his starter to start this guy (Kolb) and JTO and Troy.

You honestly can't tell the difference between a 2nd rounder and a 5th and 6th. Between a guy chosen as Philly's future (before his injury) and two cast offs.



The Niners have been without a QB for so long that some people don't know one when they see it.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by excelsior:
Some of you want to judge Kolb's value much like many of you judged JTO and Troy Smith. For the first few games, they looked very good (passed the "eyeball test"?). Then they fell apart. Do you want me to put up their stats? It would simply show that a few games are hardly enough to make a judgment on a QB. Kolb's value is still quite uncertain.

You honestly can't tell the difference between a QB selected in the early 2nd round and groomed by one of the best QB evaluators in the league who traded his starter to start this guy (Kolb) and JTO and Troy.

You honestly can't tell the difference between a 2nd rounder and a 5th and 6th. Between a guy chosen as Philly's future (before his injury) and two cast offs.



The Niners have been without a QB for so long that some people don't know one when they see it.

7 starts. And if you like I could turn your comment around and say the same thing, about not knowing a qb when they see it, but lets try to keep the discussion pleasant.

7 starts. And not setting the world alight, either. He may, or may not, be an NFL starter. But he isnt worth two 1st round picks right now and I am not convinced he is worth one.
hes worth a first rounder in the 20's, certainly not 2 number 1's, with us at 7 i dont even see us in the mix
From a Philly.com interview with Eagle prez Joe Banner . . . regarding the complications related to trading players without a CBA . . .

Quote:
*Right now, teams cannot trade players. They won't be able to trade players until there is a CBA. There is an excellent chance there won't be a CBA until after the April draft. So trading Kevin Kolb could be very complicated. Would a team trying to win a Super Bowl this coming season trade a valuable backup for 2012 draft picks? Banner said it would be much harder to establish a player's value if you weren't going to benefit from the picks that season. Obviously, the Eagles could still trade Kolb for a player or players, whenever there is a CBA. "There aren't that many trades, player-for-player, but there are some," he said. "It's hard to get teams to offer players. They'd rather offer picks, usually."

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/Banner_on_Vick_Akers_Andy_and_Lockout_Scenarios.html
I am really hating the "trade for Kolb idea", what has he done to convince anyone he can be successful in the NFL?

He couldn't fight off a guy that was out of the league for two years even after being named the unquestioned starter!
Originally posted by glorydayz:
I am really hating the "trade for Kolb idea", what has he done to convince anyone he can be successful in the NFL?

He couldn't fight off a guy that was out of the league for two years even after being named the unquestioned starter!

vick played great i dont blame him for that his numbers are similar to smiths thats what concrerns me also he had a better HC better OC and srronded by better players
Originally posted by glorydayz:
I am really hating the "trade for Kolb idea", what has he done to convince anyone he can be successful in the NFL?

He couldn't fight off a guy that was out of the league for two years even after being named the unquestioned starter!

It's not as if Vick walked out of prison and beat out Kolb. He had 2009 to sit and learn behind McNabb and then eventually took over for good with impressive performances after Kolb got dinged. Vick went on to lead the NFL in yards per game earning his fourth trip to the Pro-Bowl along the way.
FYI, Howard Eskin a Philly sports radio host will be on KNBR with Ralph & Tom at 4:30 PM local to talk Vick & Kolb.


http://www.knbr.com/ListenNow/tabid/586/Default.aspx

[ Edited by SonocoNinerFan on Feb 15, 2011 at 16:05:41 ]
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
I am really hating the "trade for Kolb idea", what has he done to convince anyone he can be successful in the NFL?

He couldn't fight off a guy that was out of the league for two years even after being named the unquestioned starter!

It's not as if Vick walked out of prison and beat out Kolb. He had 2009 to sit and learn behind McNabb and then eventually took over for good with impressive performances after Kolb got dinged. Vick went on to lead the NFL in yards per game earning his fourth trip to the Pro-Bowl along the way.

Great, only Kolb got to do the same thing (sit behind Mcnabb) while Vick was in prison and what did he do with the oppertunity? He got beat out by a guy that was out of the league for two years! That say's it all for me...