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Jay Cutler?

Originally posted by ninerswin317:
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by ReturnOfTheDon:
Please lets just give them our 1st and next years 3rd and Alex Leaf and get this a done deal.

That would go down as one of the worst trades in NFL history. We'd be on the "worst" side.

Would you trade Alex Leaf for Cutler straight up?

Alex Smith, next years 1st and this years 3rd.

Done, thanks and goodbye.
Throw in the mix of Torry Holt and...look what we have here!
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
I dont know, this play would do a lot for us. Cutler would definately benefit from having gore, and he's got some great wide outs with speed that denver could only dream of (besides Royal)

I think they treated him like he's worthless and he feels betrayed by that. I can totally understand his wanting to be traded. He threw 4,000 + yards last year...with a better team, he would have commanded a top tier salary....

This will be a steal..

Yeah, there's more behind this than it being only that Cutler is a baby. Their coach must have shown some major disrespect.

The Broncos had late season win issues even before Cutler came to the team. That is why Shany was fired.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
I dont know, this play would do a lot for us. Cutler would definately benefit from having gore, and he's got some great wide outs with speed that denver could only dream of (besides Royal)

I think they treated him like he's worthless and he feels betrayed by that. I can totally understand his wanting to be traded. He threw 4,000 + yards last year...with a better team, he would have commanded a top tier salary....

This will be a steal..

Yeah, there's more behind this than it being only that Cutler is a baby. Their coach must have shown some major disrespect.

The Broncos had late season win issues even before Cutler came to the team. That is why Shany was fired.

No, no, no. According to some people on this board, it's all Cutler's fault. He sucks!
Originally posted by ninerswin317:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
I dont know, this play would do a lot for us. Cutler would definately benefit from having gore, and he's got some great wide outs with speed that denver could only dream of (besides Royal)

I think they treated him like he's worthless and he feels betrayed by that. I can totally understand his wanting to be traded. He threw 4,000 + yards last year...with a better team, he would have commanded a top tier salary....

This will be a steal..

Yeah, there's more behind this than it being only that Cutler is a baby. Their coach must have shown some major disrespect.

The Broncos had late season win issues even before Cutler came to the team. That is why Shany was fired.

No, no, no. According to some people on this board, it's all Cutler's fault. He sucks!

And the biggest false statement that he forces balls into coverage yet he has thrown more TD than INT every year since his rookie year.

Hmm, I wonder how many INTs Alex Smith or Shuan Hill would throw if their defense couldn't stop anyone and their running game was hurting along with the fact that the run was not a threat because of the high scoring needed.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9340708/Six-teams-Broncos-should-start-calling

Here are six potential trade partners and what type of compensation could be in the offing for a fourth-year quarterback coming off his first Pro Bowl appearance:

Detroit: It would require a bold move, but the Lions might be able to seal this deal by offering the top overall selection in April's draft. Detroit would acquire a proven commodity who would greatly accelerate the rebuilding process after an 0-16 season. The Lions would still have another first-round pick (No. 20) from last season's trade of wide receiver Roy Williams to Dallas.

Denver could then use either the top pick or its own first-round choice (No. 12 overall) on a quarterback McDaniels can mold a la Cassel in New England. Georgia's Matt Stafford, Southern California's Mark Sanchez and Kansas State's Josh Freeman are considered the draft's top three prospects.

Tampa Bay: The Bucs were in the market for Cutler in February as part of what would have been a three-way trade with Denver and New England. Tampa Bay's interest should be piqued once again. A package of picks that include the No. 19 overall selection is the likely compensation. Tossing a young interior offensive lineman like Arron Sears or Jeremy Zuttah into the mix would sweeten the pot.

New York Jets: Cutler would fill the void created by Brett Favre's retirement. Speaking of which, Favre and Cutler have the same agent. Bus Cook is adept at behind-the-scenes negotiations and would be wise to try and maneuver Cutler to a team that would become a legitimate Super Bowl contender with his arrival. Like with Tampa Bay, the Jets would have to offer their first-round pick (No. 17 overall) and other considerations.

San Francisco: As evidenced by the unsuccessful free-agent dalliance with Arizona's Kurt Warner, new 49ers head coach Mike Singletary isn't fully committed to Shaun Hill as his starting quarterback. The 49ers have the No. 10 overall selection, which would put Denver in striking distance for any quarterbacks that begin to slide. The Broncos also could demand one of San Francisco's outside linebackers (Parys Haralson or Manny Lawson) to seal the deal. Denver is shifting to a 3-4 defense under new coordinator Mike Nolan, who coached both players in San Francisco the past three seasons.

Carolina: The Broncos made a blockbuster trade earlier this decade when they sent running back Clinton Portis to Washington for cornerback Champ Bailey. Why not consider doing the same with a Cutler-for-Julius Peppers swap? Peppers has said he wants out of Carolina and the chance to switch from defensive end to outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. The Broncos could demand current starter Jake Delhomme or promising backup Matt Moore as part of the deal. One caveat: Denver would have to be willing to offer Peppers a mountain-sized contract extension. He is currently slated to earn $16.6 million for 2009 as Carolina's franchise player.

Chicago: Kyle Orton didn't solidify himself as a long-term answer in 2008. Cutler is a strong-armed thrower who could still thrive in Chicago's rough weather conditions. The Bears have eschewed free-agent signings this offseason while planning to build through the draft. But for a team that hasn't fielded a Pro Bowl quarterback since Jim McMahon in 1985, a talent like Cutler could be too tempting to pass on. The Bears have the 18th pick of the first round.
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
I dont know, this play would do a lot for us. Cutler would definately benefit from having gore, and he's got some great wide outs with speed that denver could only dream of (besides Royal)

I think they treated him like he's worthless and he feels betrayed by that. I can totally understand his wanting to be traded. He threw 4,000 + yards last year...with a better team, he would have commanded a top tier salary....

This will be a steal..

Besides Royal? How about that one guy... what's his name... he's like one of if not the best receiver in the leauge..... oh yeah... Brandon Marshall.

Cutler would be mediocre if he didn't have that guy to throw to. Believe it.
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
I dont know, this play would do a lot for us. Cutler would definately benefit from having gore, and he's got some great wide outs with speed that denver could only dream of (besides Royal)

I think they treated him like he's worthless and he feels betrayed by that. I can totally understand his wanting to be traded. He threw 4,000 + yards last year...with a better team, he would have commanded a top tier salary....

This will be a steal..

Besides Royal? How about that one guy... what's his name... he's like one of if not the best receiver in the leauge..... oh yeah... Brandon Marshall.

Cutler would be mediocre if he didn't have that guy to throw to. Believe it.

LOL. If Alex Smith were on the Broncos (with Royal and Marshall), he'd be like Tom Brady huh?
Originally posted by LeathafaceUCSD:
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
I dont know, this play would do a lot for us. Cutler would definately benefit from having gore, and he's got some great wide outs with speed that denver could only dream of (besides Royal)

I think they treated him like he's worthless and he feels betrayed by that. I can totally understand his wanting to be traded. He threw 4,000 + yards last year...with a better team, he would have commanded a top tier salary....

This will be a steal..

Besides Royal? How about that one guy... what's his name... he's like one of if not the best receiver in the leauge..... oh yeah... Brandon Marshall.

Cutler would be mediocre if he didn't have that guy to throw to. Believe it.

LOL. If Alex Smith were on the Broncos (with Royal and Marshall), he'd be like Tom Brady huh?

Cutler came up in a better situation than Alex. If Alex had been drafted by the Broncos and had that opportunity, he'd be playing at a higher level and likely wouldn't have had his shoulder seperated... and then forced to play with the injury.

Alex is committed to playing in this league. His attitude is exponentially better than Cutler's. I also think his ability is greater. Time will tell.
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by LeathafaceUCSD:
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
I dont know, this play would do a lot for us. Cutler would definately benefit from having gore, and he's got some great wide outs with speed that denver could only dream of (besides Royal)

I think they treated him like he's worthless and he feels betrayed by that. I can totally understand his wanting to be traded. He threw 4,000 + yards last year...with a better team, he would have commanded a top tier salary....

This will be a steal..

Besides Royal? How about that one guy... what's his name... he's like one of if not the best receiver in the leauge..... oh yeah... Brandon Marshall.

Cutler would be mediocre if he didn't have that guy to throw to. Believe it.

LOL. If Alex Smith were on the Broncos (with Royal and Marshall), he'd be like Tom Brady huh?

Cutler came up in a better situation than Alex. If Alex had been drafted by the Broncos and had that opportunity, he'd be playing at a higher level and likely wouldn't have had his shoulder seperated... and then forced to play with the injury.

Alex is committed to playing in this league. His attitude is exponentially better than Cutler's. I also think his ability is greater. Time will tell.

Being committed and having a good attitude is wonderful. However, when its all said and done you have to show the ability. I just dont see how their ability is even close. Alex Smith has done nothing to prove that he has the ability to be a top flight QB in this league other than a couple of good sporadic moments. I know you want to believe in him because he was the first pick of the draft. However, saying he has more ability than Cutler is .........
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by LeathafaceUCSD:
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
I dont know, this play would do a lot for us. Cutler would definately benefit from having gore, and he's got some great wide outs with speed that denver could only dream of (besides Royal)

I think they treated him like he's worthless and he feels betrayed by that. I can totally understand his wanting to be traded. He threw 4,000 + yards last year...with a better team, he would have commanded a top tier salary....

This will be a steal..

Besides Royal? How about that one guy... what's his name... he's like one of if not the best receiver in the leauge..... oh yeah... Brandon Marshall.

Cutler would be mediocre if he didn't have that guy to throw to. Believe it.

LOL. If Alex Smith were on the Broncos (with Royal and Marshall), he'd be like Tom Brady huh?

Cutler came up in a better situation than Alex. If Alex had been drafted by the Broncos and had that opportunity, he'd be playing at a higher level and likely wouldn't have had his shoulder seperated... and then forced to play with the injury.

Alex is committed to playing in this league. His attitude is exponentially better than Cutler's. I also think his ability is greater. Time will tell.

No, Alex was extremely confused by the WCO. He would have sucked just as bad in Denver.

I still can't believe Cutler is a sorry QB even though he's in his third year and has played above average, yet Alex Smith can still rise from the ashes and lead this team to the playoffs even though he couldn't have been burned to begin with because he was never high enough to fall down in ashes.
Originally posted by ninerfaninLA:
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by LeathafaceUCSD:
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
I dont know, this play would do a lot for us. Cutler would definately benefit from having gore, and he's got some great wide outs with speed that denver could only dream of (besides Royal)

I think they treated him like he's worthless and he feels betrayed by that. I can totally understand his wanting to be traded. He threw 4,000 + yards last year...with a better team, he would have commanded a top tier salary....

This will be a steal..

Besides Royal? How about that one guy... what's his name... he's like one of if not the best receiver in the leauge..... oh yeah... Brandon Marshall.

Cutler would be mediocre if he didn't have that guy to throw to. Believe it.

LOL. If Alex Smith were on the Broncos (with Royal and Marshall), he'd be like Tom Brady huh?

Cutler came up in a better situation than Alex. If Alex had been drafted by the Broncos and had that opportunity, he'd be playing at a higher level and likely wouldn't have had his shoulder seperated... and then forced to play with the injury.

Alex is committed to playing in this league. His attitude is exponentially better than Cutler's. I also think his ability is greater. Time will tell.

Being committed and having a good attitude is wonderful. However, when its all said and done you have to show the ability. I just dont see how their ability is even close. Alex Smith has done nothing to prove that he has the ability to be a top flight QB in this league other than a couple of good sporadic moments. I know you want to believe in him because he was the first pick of the draft. However, saying he has more ability than Cutler is .........

Is Cutler as good of a decision maker as Alex? Is Cutler as mobile as Alex? What Cutler has on Alex is arm strength. Other than that, I couldn't tell you. I doubt you could either.

And don't compare stats. Alex has never been in a situation which resembles anything like what Cutler had last year in terms of talent around him.
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by ninerfaninLA:
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by LeathafaceUCSD:
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Originally posted by simplyfloyd:
I dont know, this play would do a lot for us. Cutler would definately benefit from having gore, and he's got some great wide outs with speed that denver could only dream of (besides Royal)

I think they treated him like he's worthless and he feels betrayed by that. I can totally understand his wanting to be traded. He threw 4,000 + yards last year...with a better team, he would have commanded a top tier salary....

This will be a steal..

Besides Royal? How about that one guy... what's his name... he's like one of if not the best receiver in the leauge..... oh yeah... Brandon Marshall.

Cutler would be mediocre if he didn't have that guy to throw to. Believe it.

LOL. If Alex Smith were on the Broncos (with Royal and Marshall), he'd be like Tom Brady huh?

Cutler came up in a better situation than Alex. If Alex had been drafted by the Broncos and had that opportunity, he'd be playing at a higher level and likely wouldn't have had his shoulder seperated... and then forced to play with the injury.

Alex is committed to playing in this league. His attitude is exponentially better than Cutler's. I also think his ability is greater. Time will tell.

Being committed and having a good attitude is wonderful. However, when its all said and done you have to show the ability. I just dont see how their ability is even close. Alex Smith has done nothing to prove that he has the ability to be a top flight QB in this league other than a couple of good sporadic moments. I know you want to believe in him because he was the first pick of the draft. However, saying he has more ability than Cutler is .........

Is Cutler as good of a decision maker as Alex? Is Cutler as mobile as Alex? What Cutler has on Alex is arm strength. Other than that, I couldn't tell you. I doubt you could either.

And don't compare stats. Alex has never been in a situation which resembles anything like what Cutler had last year in terms of talent around him.

What did Cutler have the year before or the year before that? The bold is rediculous because the only thing Alex Smith does have going for him are his subpar stats from 2006. Believe me, you DON'T want to compare their actual play on the field.
if we have to give up a player like manny or haralson then f**k no.

I would rather just give picks, its not like Cutler wants to Stay in Denver, This years 2nd rounder and next years 2nd rounder (maybe 1st) as well.
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Is Cutler as good of a decision maker as Alex?
-Yes
Originally posted by 49erLifer:
Is Cutler as mobile as Alex?
- Yes... The Broncos even ran the option a few times last year with Cutler. He is very mobile. He also is GREAT on throwing on the run/out of the pocket.