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JTO!!!!!!

  1. Was on the Lions, Panthers, Pats, Vikings, GB, and Saints
  2. GB was looking to develop him but Rogers fell in their lap

Also, hearing Nolan on KNBR, he said McCarthy wanted JTO when McCarthy was with the Niners. He had heard some good things about JTO.

Nolan said the fact that McCarthy was already eying the guy and Martz liked what the guy brings to the field told Nolan that he should sign him AND give him a chance.

Why in the hell was he a journeyman: gunslinger, mistake prone, attitude seemed cocky, teams kept getting in a situation where the starter was better or a draft pick with more potential was acquired, or was it just a different agenda?

Who knows. One thing that I do know is that you can say he makes dumb decisions and if you think he's going to consistently make the type of INT he threw against the Raiders...well...that's not going to happen. He will throw the type of INT he had in the GB game, but almost every QB and their momma occasionally throws those.

JTO has not played a regular season game, but I have a good feeling he is going to be bad ass. My reasoning has nothing to do with this QB rating or stats but everything to do with how he operates the huddle to the different ways he can release that damn ball. His accuracy and throwing capabilities is EXACTLY what the M-O needs.
[ Edited by Joecool on Jan 21, 2009 at 1:24 PM ]
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Originally posted by Joecool:
JTO!!!!!!

  1. Was on the Lions, Panthers, Pats, Vikings, GB, and Saints
  2. GB was looking to develop him but Rogers fell in their lap

Also, hearing Nolan on KNBR, he said McCarthy wanted JTO when McCarthy was with the Niners. He had heard some good things about JTO.

Nolan said the fact that McCarthy was already eying the guy and Martz liked what the guy brings to the field told Nolan that he should sign him AND give him a chance.

Why in the hell was he a journeyman: gunslinger, mistake prone, attitude seemed cocky, teams kept getting in a situation where the starter was better or a draft pick with more potential was acquired, or was it just a different agenda?

Who knows. One thing that I do know is that you can say he makes dumb decisions and if you think he's going to consistently make the type of INT he threw against the Raiders...well...that's not going to happen. He will throw the type of INT he had in the GB game, but almost every QB and their momma occasionally throws those.

JTO has not played a regular season game, but I have a good feeling he is going to be bad ass. My reasoning has nothing to do with this QB rating or stats but everything to do with how he operates the huddle to the different ways he can release that damn ball. His accuracy and throwing capabilities is EXACTLY what the M-O needs.

As long as he WINS GAMES...once he proves he could do that...then we'll talk about him being our "kurt warner"

I wanted Alex Smith to win the job because of age, potential, blah blah etc.....but if Sully shows some things...then who could argue that??
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I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.
Originally posted by Shajarian:
I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.

If the QB can get it done, that's one position worth over paying for. We overpaid for Alex Smith of all people. If we win 10, I think I would forgive the 49ers for over paying JTO.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Shajarian:
I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.

If the QB can get it done, that's one position worth over paying for. We overpaid for Alex Smith of all people. If we win 10, I think I would forgive the 49ers for over paying JTO.

This is the great unknown right now with the 49ers, so I wouldn't think too far down the line, "What if he plays like Montana? What if he plays like Drunkenmiller?

In the meantime, I am rooting for JTO to play well. I need to have some good Sundays watching football this year. We all do to make up for the last several seasons. It is about the 49ers doing well. Root for the guys that will be playing. It's either that or find a different team to root for, because we don't pick the roster.
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I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.

This is all good and fine, should have would have could have. Would you have done differently? No, because only about 5% of us thought JT had a chance of winning the starting job....

I personally was pulling for Alex because the Niners invested so much in him, but if JT can win for us now than let's do this!!
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Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Shajarian:
I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.

If the QB can get it done, that's one position worth over paying for. We overpaid for Alex Smith of all people. If we win 10, I think I would forgive the 49ers for over paying JTO.

This is the great unknown right now with the 49ers, so I wouldn't think too far down the line, "What if he plays like Montana? What if he plays like Drunkenmiller?

In the meantime, I am rooting for JTO to play well. I need to have some good Sundays watching football this year. We all do to make up for the last several seasons. It is about the 49ers doing well. Root for the guys that will be playing. It's either that or find a different team to root for, because we don't pick the roster.

yeah, but we paid $24M for Smith just in case he played like Montana. That was a high risk gamble, and we lost. If we paid JT $500K more than what he deserved, we'd probably be out of this boat. That is low risk, high reward. What we did is what the Brits call being penny wise but pound foolish.
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Shajarian:
I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.

If the QB can get it done, that's one position worth over paying for. We overpaid for Alex Smith of all people. If we win 10, I think I would forgive the 49ers for over paying JTO.

This is the great unknown right now with the 49ers, so I wouldn't think too far down the line, "What if he plays like Montana? What if he plays like Drunkenmiller?

In the meantime, I am rooting for JTO to play well. I need to have some good Sundays watching football this year. We all do to make up for the last several seasons. It is about the 49ers doing well. Root for the guys that will be playing. It's either that or find a different team to root for, because we don't pick the roster.

I am putting myself on the line. He will perform well and be very efficient in this offense. The way he throws and handles himself, he won't disappoint. I'm ready to eat crow on that.
Hey he is definitely an upgrade over Smith, but that is not saying much. I still dont think he is the answer, but if he wins games then so be it.

But then again, I like the underdog story. One thing I must say that impresses me about him is that he plays like he has a pair unlike Alex "The Cowardly Lion" I still would DEFINITELY draft a QB or if there is a solid FA next season sign them. We need to solidify this QB position.
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Originally posted by Shajarian:
I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.

It's not short sided thinking b/c you failed to mention that the guy could have turned out to be a complete bum. Plus you have to remember they gave Hill more dough and picked up the option on Smith. Regardless that's a lot of money tied up in 3 unproven qb's. I doubt they trusted to put anymore money into JT. He was a journeymen and that's how they get paid. If he out performs his contract then they will just have to pay. A lot of ths is just guesses homie you never know. But I do see your point
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Shajarian:
I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.

If the QB can get it done, that's one position worth over paying for. We overpaid for Alex Smith of all people. If we win 10, I think I would forgive the 49ers for over paying JTO.

This is the great unknown right now with the 49ers, so I wouldn't think too far down the line, "What if he plays like Montana? What if he plays like Drunkenmiller?

In the meantime, I am rooting for JTO to play well. I need to have some good Sundays watching football this year. We all do to make up for the last several seasons. It is about the 49ers doing well. Root for the guys that will be playing. It's either that or find a different team to root for, because we don't pick the roster.

I am putting myself on the line. He will perform well and be very efficient in this offense. The way he throws and handles himself, he won't disappoint. I'm ready to eat crow on that.


I hope you're right. I do see a lot more cockiness and confidence rather than Alex's laid back game face.
Originally posted by Sp1dey22:
I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.

This is all good and fine, should have would have could have. Would you have done differently? No, because only about 5% of us thought JT had a chance of winning the starting job....

I personally was pulling for Alex because the Niners invested so much in him, but if JT can win for us now than let's do this!!

Hind sight is 20/20. They already had two QB's under contract. He was brought in as a third stringer. Most teams would have offered the guy no more than 1 year.
Originally posted by Shajarian:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Shajarian:
I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.

If the QB can get it done, that's one position worth over paying for. We overpaid for Alex Smith of all people. If we win 10, I think I would forgive the 49ers for over paying JTO.

This is the great unknown right now with the 49ers, so I wouldn't think too far down the line, "What if he plays like Montana? What if he plays like Drunkenmiller?

In the meantime, I am rooting for JTO to play well. I need to have some good Sundays watching football this year. We all do to make up for the last several seasons. It is about the 49ers doing well. Root for the guys that will be playing. It's either that or find a different team to root for, because we don't pick the roster.

yeah, but we paid $24M for Smith just in case he played like Montana. That was a high risk gamble, and we lost. If we paid JT $500K more than what he deserved, we'd probably be out of this boat. That is low risk, high reward. What we did is what the Brits call being penny wise but pound foolish.


Ya are 100% right and I like that brit quote lol
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Shajarian:
I think McNolan's biggest mistake was only giving JT the vet minimum salary for one year. By doing so, the niners cannot negotiate with him until March, and he can field offers from other teams if he lights it up, or even if he just plays solid. As a result, we'll be forced to overpay in order to keep him. If we had just been slightly generous now with his pay (which is chump change), we could have had pre-negotiation rights with him prior to him being a free agent. such short sighted thinking.

If the QB can get it done, that's one position worth over paying for. We overpaid for Alex Smith of all people. If we win 10, I think I would forgive the 49ers for over paying JTO.

We have three things going for us and they are that he likes Martz and his system , he was a die hard 49er fan according to people who went to school with him , and lastly he is a local boy who may want to stay local. We may pay out but we might have the upper hand over some other teams. This is all assuming he does well here for us.