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Grade the 49ers 2010 Draft [3 years later]

I would give it an A- instead of an A+ because of the May's pick. It would be one thing if he was a solid backup, but he couldn't even manage to do that. Mays was a colossal miss of epic proportions. Also giving up a 4th round pick to move up two slots was questionable.

But coming out with Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, and Bowman go a long way to making up for those issues.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by jreff22:
B-

3 pro-bowlers including 2 all-pros and 2 solid contributors? Tough crowd.

drafting that high we would turn any OL into a probowler by this point....remove Iupati and put Pouncey in his place and we still look good. Bowman gets the credit because of where he was drafted.

The Mays pick which almost every west coast homer wanted, set us back....a big reason why we were drafting FS this year

Set us back how? We had pro-bowlers at both safety positions the last few years, went to 2 NFC title games and 1 Super Bowl. If you think selecting anyone else but Mays in the 2nd would've made THAT much more of a difference, you're not very realistic.

And regarding the o-lineman, we won't even dive into that discussion especially knowing how many 1st round tackles/guards end up as busts every year. To nail 2 of them is not common, nor is having both 1st round picks end up as pro-bowlers regardless of position.
Aside from Reid who else do we have at Safety that is long term and worth a damn? Trading that pick for instance for a 2nd the following year could have gotten us some great players that were available...Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb, Justin Houston

Teams miss on picks all the time, even almost every great draft there were guys who didn't make it. To get two all-pros (possibly 3 with Anthony Davis as arguably the best RT in the game) in one draft is spectacular. Sure we missed on Mays, but that doesn't downgrade an A draft to a B-. That's crazy talk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft

the first round was loaded with probowlers.....strong draft class. we could have traded the 2nd to move up in the 1st, taken Trent Williams and still drafted Iupati or even Pouncey and still most likely have 2 probowlers. Pretty much every 1st round OL that year has made the probowl.
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Draft was an A+. We got 3 players that are arguably top 3 at their position. We could have drafted Ryan Leaf's 4 brothers at the other picks and it still would've been an A+ draft simply because of the supreme talent those 3 players are. Anyone who isn't a "core" player is replaceable, and the FO sees all 3 of them as core players.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by jreff22:
B-

3 pro-bowlers including 2 all-pros and 2 solid contributors? Tough crowd.

drafting that high we would turn any OL into a probowler by this point....remove Iupati and put Pouncey in his place and we still look good. Bowman gets the credit because of where he was drafted.

The Mays pick which almost every west coast homer wanted, set us back....a big reason why we were drafting FS this year

Set us back how? We had pro-bowlers at both safety positions the last few years, went to 2 NFC title games and 1 Super Bowl. If you think selecting anyone else but Mays in the 2nd would've made THAT much more of a difference, you're not very realistic.

And regarding the o-lineman, we won't even dive into that discussion especially knowing how many 1st round tackles/guards end up as busts every year. To nail 2 of them is not common, nor is having both 1st round picks end up as pro-bowlers regardless of position.
Aside from Reid who else do we have at Safety that is long term and worth a damn? Trading that pick for instance for a 2nd the following year could have gotten us some great players that were available...Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb, Justin Houston

Teams miss on picks all the time, even almost every great draft there were guys who didn't make it. To get two all-pros (possibly 3 with Anthony Davis as arguably the best RT in the game) in one draft is spectacular. Sure we missed on Mays, but that doesn't downgrade an A draft to a B-. That's crazy talk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft

the first round was loaded with probowlers.....strong draft class. we could have traded the 2nd to move up in the 1st, taken Trent Williams and still drafted Iupati or even Pouncey and still most likely have 2 probowlers. Pretty much every 1st round OL that year has made the probowl.

That's great. It sounds like a lot of teams did well for themselves in the first round that year. I was talking about All-Pros, however. Like Disp said above, we got arguably the best three guys at their respective positions in the league. If only we could have jreff b- drafts every year!
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by jreff22:
B-

3 pro-bowlers including 2 all-pros and 2 solid contributors? Tough crowd.

drafting that high we would turn any OL into a probowler by this point....remove Iupati and put Pouncey in his place and we still look good. Bowman gets the credit because of where he was drafted.

The Mays pick which almost every west coast homer wanted, set us back....a big reason why we were drafting FS this year

Set us back how? We had pro-bowlers at both safety positions the last few years, went to 2 NFC title games and 1 Super Bowl. If you think selecting anyone else but Mays in the 2nd would've made THAT much more of a difference, you're not very realistic.

And regarding the o-lineman, we won't even dive into that discussion especially knowing how many 1st round tackles/guards end up as busts every year. To nail 2 of them is not common, nor is having both 1st round picks end up as pro-bowlers regardless of position.
Aside from Reid who else do we have at Safety that is long term and worth a damn? Trading that pick for instance for a 2nd the following year could have gotten us some great players that were available...Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb, Justin Houston

LOL, love the 20/20 hindsight. It's pretty easy 3 years later to look back and say we should've drafted this guy, not that guy or done this to set up the next year. That takes no skill/intelligence whatsoever, but me my guest. I can do that too: hey, we should've drafted Kam Chancellor who's turned into a stud SS for the Seahawks, even though nobody else thought he was worth more than a 4th round pick! I think the point of these threads is to look back and see what we actually DID, how they've panned out and put a grade on the entire draft...not just focus on one player who has literally been inconsequential either way to the fortunes of this team.

Bottom line, you didn't answer my question about setting us back, because you can't. The Mays pick didn't set us back in any way, but the Davis, Iupati and Bowman picks that year have definitely propelled us forward.

But I'll answer your question: I don't know specifically what the team thinks about Trenton Robinson, but I can assume they really like his potential since they didn't really address SS in free agency or in the draft. In general, I assume they don't feel their SS personnel is much of an issue given how little attention they paid to it this off-season.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Apr 29, 2013 at 1:17 PM ]
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by jreff22:
B-

3 pro-bowlers including 2 all-pros and 2 solid contributors? Tough crowd.

drafting that high we would turn any OL into a probowler by this point....remove Iupati and put Pouncey in his place and we still look good. Bowman gets the credit because of where he was drafted.

The Mays pick which almost every west coast homer wanted, set us back....a big reason why we were drafting FS this year

Set us back how? We had pro-bowlers at both safety positions the last few years, went to 2 NFC title games and 1 Super Bowl. If you think selecting anyone else but Mays in the 2nd would've made THAT much more of a difference, you're not very realistic.

And regarding the o-lineman, we won't even dive into that discussion especially knowing how many 1st round tackles/guards end up as busts every year. To nail 2 of them is not common, nor is having both 1st round picks end up as pro-bowlers regardless of position.
Aside from Reid who else do we have at Safety that is long term and worth a damn? Trading that pick for instance for a 2nd the following year could have gotten us some great players that were available...Torrey Smith, Randall Cobb, Justin Houston

Teams miss on picks all the time, even almost every great draft there were guys who didn't make it. To get two all-pros (possibly 3 with Anthony Davis as arguably the best RT in the game) in one draft is spectacular. Sure we missed on Mays, but that doesn't downgrade an A draft to a B-. That's crazy talk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_Draft

the first round was loaded with probowlers.....strong draft class. we could have traded the 2nd to move up in the 1st, taken Trent Williams and still drafted Iupati or even Pouncey and still most likely have 2 probowlers. Pretty much every 1st round OL that year has made the probowl.

That's great. It sounds like a lot of teams did well for themselves in the first round that year. I was talking about All-Pros, however. Like Disp said above, we got arguably the best three guys at their respective positions in the league. If only we could have jreff b- drafts every year!

When you draft that high you run a better chance of hitting better talent. Davis and Iupati are fantastic players but they should be when drafting high, its expected. Bowman is the one pick that wasn't expected to be that player and has been.

What happens outside the first round is what makes or breaks a draft IMO. Hitting on first round talent but missing on later guys creates a void at depth which leads to future problems. Bowman saved the follow up to a certain extent but the rest of the picks have been or will be replaced.

The Mays pick was such a waste and was a Sing pick, we all know that. Had that pick turned into somebody worth a damn this draft would be an A. Look at it like this, Gronk was taken only a few spots ahead of Mays....imagine what would've happened if we moved up to get him.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
When you draft that high you run a better chance of hitting better talent. Davis and Iupati are fantastic players but they should be when drafting high, its expected. Bowman is the one pick that wasn't expected to be that player and has been.

What happens outside the first round is what makes or breaks a draft IMO. Hitting on first round talent but missing on later guys creates a void at depth which leads to future problems. Bowman saved the follow up to a certain extent but the rest of the picks have been or will be replaced.

The Mays pick was such a waste and was a Sing pick, we all know that. Had that pick turned into somebody worth a damn this draft would be an A. Look at it like this, Gronk was taken only a few spots ahead of Mays....imagine what would've happened if we moved up to get him.

Grading a draft is about analyzing the talent that the team accumulated with their draft picks, regardless of draft position. Analyzing a draft in hindsight by saying we could have drafted this guy, or this guy instead of this guy is ridiculous. 3 guys arguably the best in the world at their positions is a heck of a draft.
Originally posted by jreff22:
When you draft that high you run a better chance of hitting better talent. Davis and Iupati are fantastic players but they should be when drafting high, its expected. Bowman is the one pick that wasn't expected to be that player and has been.

What happens outside the first round is what makes or breaks a draft IMO. Hitting on first round talent but missing on later guys creates a void at depth which leads to future problems. Bowman saved the follow up to a certain extent but the rest of the picks have been or will be replaced.

The Mays pick was such a waste and was a Sing pick, we all know that. Had that pick turned into somebody worth a damn this draft would be an A. Look at it like this, Gronk was taken only a few spots ahead of Mays....imagine what would've happened if we moved up to get him.

Of course the Mays pick was a waste but there were a lot of teams that missed on the 2nd and 3rd rounds. After Mays was selected.. the next Pro Bowler selected was.......... all the way in the 3rd rd and of course Navarro Bowman. If Mays had hit big time this draft would have been an A++++++++. As it is.. easy A
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
LOL, love the 20/20 hindsight. It's pretty easy 3 years later to look back and say we should've drafted this guy, not that guy or done this to set up the next year. That takes no skill/intelligence whatsoever, but me my guest. I can do that too: hey, we should've drafted Kam Chancellor who's turned into a stud SS for the Seahawks, even though nobody else thought he was worth more than a 4th round pick! I think the point of these threads is to look back and see what we actually DID, how they've panned out and put a grade on the entire draft...not just focus on one player who has literally been inconsequential either way to the fortunes of this team.

Bottom line, you didn't answer my question about setting us back, because you can't. The Mays pick didn't set us back in any way, but the Davis, Iupati and Bowman picks that year have definitely propelled us forward.

But I'll answer your question: I don't know specifically what the team thinks about Trenton Robinson, but I can assume they really like his potential since they didn't really address SS in free agency or in the draft. In general, I assume they don't feel their SS personnel is much of an issue given how little attention they paid to it this off-season.
I had Justin Houston pegged to us in multiple mocks and seriously wanted the kid. I can look back and say who I wanted from that draft very easily. Spiller and Berry were my first round crushes.

And yes the Mays pick set us back because we were forced to draft somebody now, instead of having that person on the roster. What Goldson was before we was a starter is what Mays should have been, sitting and waiting.

Reid is now the 5th safety drafted since we drafted Goldson, that's a lot of bodies who couldn't make it over the past few years. You could even say by Mays sucking we had to get Whitner because the kid couldn't play SS either. Now the GM's over that period were different but consistently missing on players causes problems down the road. This is the same problem we have had at WR for years. The drafted kids didn't pan out and the FA's sucked.

Aside from Reid we could release every FS/SS at the end of the year and nobody would even notice....says a lot about the reserves. If we did that at RB people would burn the front office down.
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by jreff22:
When you draft that high you run a better chance of hitting better talent. Davis and Iupati are fantastic players but they should be when drafting high, its expected. Bowman is the one pick that wasn't expected to be that player and has been.

What happens outside the first round is what makes or breaks a draft IMO. Hitting on first round talent but missing on later guys creates a void at depth which leads to future problems. Bowman saved the follow up to a certain extent but the rest of the picks have been or will be replaced.

The Mays pick was such a waste and was a Sing pick, we all know that. Had that pick turned into somebody worth a damn this draft would be an A. Look at it like this, Gronk was taken only a few spots ahead of Mays....imagine what would've happened if we moved up to get him.

Grading a draft is about analyzing the talent that the team accumulated with their draft picks, regardless of draft position. Analyzing a draft in hindsight by saying we could have drafted this guy, or this guy instead of this guy is ridiculous. 3 guys arguably the best in the world at their positions is a heck of a draft.
The only way to judge the draft is by hindsight. You have to go back, look who was taken around your pick, and ask was yours the best?

Bowman is a stellar player and wouldn't replace him with anybody except Willis. If we had Williams and Pouncey, you would be saying the same about them like you are Davis and Iupati. They are very good players but aren't the only top dogs in their positions.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by jreff22:
When you draft that high you run a better chance of hitting better talent. Davis and Iupati are fantastic players but they should be when drafting high, its expected. Bowman is the one pick that wasn't expected to be that player and has been.

What happens outside the first round is what makes or breaks a draft IMO. Hitting on first round talent but missing on later guys creates a void at depth which leads to future problems. Bowman saved the follow up to a certain extent but the rest of the picks have been or will be replaced.

The Mays pick was such a waste and was a Sing pick, we all know that. Had that pick turned into somebody worth a damn this draft would be an A. Look at it like this, Gronk was taken only a few spots ahead of Mays....imagine what would've happened if we moved up to get him.

Of course the Mays pick was a waste but there were a lot of teams that missed on the 2nd and 3rd rounds. After Mays was selected.. the next Pro Bowler selected was.......... all the way in the 3rd rd and of course Navarro Bowman. If Mays had hit big time this draft would have been an A++++++++. As it is.. easy A
he didn't need to be a pro bowler, just a serviceable player that was worth his draft position...not the 7th rounder we got in return
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by AmpLee:
Originally posted by jreff22:
When you draft that high you run a better chance of hitting better talent. Davis and Iupati are fantastic players but they should be when drafting high, its expected. Bowman is the one pick that wasn't expected to be that player and has been.

What happens outside the first round is what makes or breaks a draft IMO. Hitting on first round talent but missing on later guys creates a void at depth which leads to future problems. Bowman saved the follow up to a certain extent but the rest of the picks have been or will be replaced.

The Mays pick was such a waste and was a Sing pick, we all know that. Had that pick turned into somebody worth a damn this draft would be an A. Look at it like this, Gronk was taken only a few spots ahead of Mays....imagine what would've happened if we moved up to get him.

Grading a draft is about analyzing the talent that the team accumulated with their draft picks, regardless of draft position. Analyzing a draft in hindsight by saying we could have drafted this guy, or this guy instead of this guy is ridiculous. 3 guys arguably the best in the world at their positions is a heck of a draft.
The only way to judge the draft is by hindsight. You have to go back, look who was taken around your pick, and ask was yours the best?

Bowman is a stellar player and wouldn't replace him with anybody except Willis. If we had Williams and Pouncey, you would be saying the same about them like you are Davis and Iupati. They are very good players but aren't the only top dogs in their positions.

There's a difference about judging the draft by hindsight and by inserting what-ifs. You are diluting how to rate a draft in retrospect. It's a simple process. Look at players selected; assign a rating based on how good the players have performed. I would also give the draft an A if it we had had selected Williams, Pouncey, and Bowman, but that retards the relatively simple grading process by introducing what-ifs.
Based on the facts of what we actually did and not fantasy draft - woulda-coulda-shoulda nonesese.

"A" Mays sucked.
can anybody find MadDog49er's 2010 draft review?
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
Like they say, give it 3 years and then you can really grade a draft

1. Anthony Davis = A
1. Mike Iupati = A+
2. Taylor Mays = F
3. Navorro Bowman = A+
6. Anthony Dixon = B
6. Nate Byham = F
6. Kyle Williams = C
7. Phillip Adams = D

I'd definitely say this was a solid draft. Shored up our Oline, got another great ILB and depth at RB & WR.

Was good draft considering we will likely have 3 players on this team for the next 4 years.