Grade the 49ers 2010 Draft [3 years later]

If you were to tell me that between your 2nd & 3rd Rounders, one would be a complete bust and the other would be one of the Top 5-10 players at his position within 3 years, I'd say that's a HUGE net positive. Mays was an obvious whiff, but the rest of the draft more than makes up for it. Easy A.

Originally posted by zugschef:
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Originally posted by natrone06:
Jreff I think you are showing a real lack of league awareness with your opinion of the 2010 draft. Missing on 2nd round picks is extremely common. Getting three players in a draft the caliber of Davis, lupati and Bowman on the other hand is rare and equals a extremely suscssful draft by any measurement.

we got nothing from Mays, a miss would be a player who cant start but can do something......he did NOTHING for us. Missing on 2nd rounders isn't common, if it was people would trade the picks away.

Maybe this helps Amp...

1. Anthony Davis-A
1. Mike Iupati-A
2. Taylor Mays-F
3. Navorro Bowman-A
6. Anthony Dixon-C+
6. Nate Byham-C-
6. Kyle William-B
7. Phillip Adam-C-

Ted Ginn acquisition-B+

comes out to a 2.67........B-

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by natrone06:
Jreff I think you are showing a real lack of league awareness with your opinion of the 2010 draft. Missing on 2nd round picks is extremely common. Getting three players in a draft the caliber of Davis, lupati and Bowman on the other hand is rare and equals a extremely suscssful draft by any measurement.

we got nothing from Mays, a miss would be a player who cant start but can do something......he did NOTHING for us. Missing on 2nd rounders isn't common, if it was people would trade the picks away.

You're even wrong about that. We used the 7th rounder we got for Mays to trade for Colt McCoy who could easily be Kap's backup this year. Remains to be seen of course exactly what we get out of McCoy, but getting a veteran backup is something.

You are right that missing on 2nd rounders isn't common, but neither is hitting on 4 straight draft picks. One of those 4 was bound to miss...it just happened to be the one that Singletary was pounding the table for, and that shouldn't be surprising. But the 3 HRs they hit more than makes up for the one strikeout they had.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by natrone06:
Jreff I think you are showing a real lack of league awareness with your opinion of the 2010 draft. Missing on 2nd round picks is extremely common. Getting three players in a draft the caliber of Davis, lupati and Bowman on the other hand is rare and equals a extremely suscssful draft by any measurement.

we got nothing from Mays, a miss would be a player who cant start but can do something......he did NOTHING for us. Missing on 2nd rounders isn't common, if it was people would trade the picks away.

You're even wrong about that. We used the 7th rounder we got for Mays to trade for Colt McCoy who could easily be Kap's backup this year. Remains to be seen of course exactly what we get out of McCoy, but getting a veteran backup is something.

You are right that missing on 2nd rounders isn't common, but neither is hitting on 4 straight draft picks. One of those 4 was bound to miss...it just happened to be the one that Singletary was pounding the table for, and that shouldn't be surprising. But the 3 HRs they hit more than makes up for the one strikeout they had.

McCoy's value has yet to be seen but I watch a lot of Browns football and I assume at this point he is a stop gap until Jim finds his next guy, who will be a long term backup.

Originally posted by jreff22:
Maybe this helps Amp...

1. Anthony Davis-A
1. Mike Iupati-A
2. Taylor Mays-F
3. Navorro Bowman-A
6. Anthony Dixon-C+
6. Nate Byham-C-
6. Kyle William-B
7. Phillip Adam-C-

Ted Ginn acquisition-B+

comes out to a 2.67........B-

Except it doesn't work like that. What you're essentially saying is missing on Taylor Mays hurts the team as much as Bowman helps the team, so their net value is 0, which is a ridiculous position to take. The value of the 3 players outweighs anything else done. Think of it like this; if we only had 3 draft picks and got the big 3, it would've been a good draft. Drafting the other players didn't "hurt" the team at all, it just didn't necessarily help us. Those players were just dropped or retained as depth.

since none of you are giving a full grade on each player I give you this....

http://gpacalculator.net/college-gpa-calculator/

run each player and assign a grade and tell us what you get

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Maybe this helps Amp...

1. Anthony Davis-A
1. Mike Iupati-A
2. Taylor Mays-F
3. Navorro Bowman-A
6. Anthony Dixon-C+
6. Nate Byham-C-
6. Kyle William-B
7. Phillip Adam-C-

Ted Ginn acquisition-B+

comes out to a 2.67........B-

Except it doesn't work like that. What you're essentially saying is missing on Taylor Mays hurts the team as much as Bowman helps the team, so their net value is 0, which is a ridiculous position to take. The value of the 3 players outweighs anything else done. Think of it like this; if we only had 3 draft picks and got the big 3, it would've been a good draft. Drafting the other players didn't "hurt" the team at all, it just didn't necessarily help us. Those players were just dropped or retained as depth.

The question was to grade the 2010 draft, not grade 3 players. I assigned a grade to each player and got the overall value from the draft. Even if I assign a higher value to the first round it still comes out to a B- overall.

The point is those 3 players are so good that the rest of the draft doesn't matter. The players who don't make the team are completely irrelevant, and all that matters is how much better the draft makes us. In 2011 we could have just drafted Kaepernick, and right now it would be a great draft because of his value to the team. He's not an "A", he's a "AAA". Saying we had a worse draft just because some players didn't pan out is stupid when the net impact of the players who DID pan out is so dramatic.

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
Like they say, give it 3 years and then you can really grade a draft

1. Anthony Davis
1. Mike Iupati
2. Taylor Mays
3. Navorro Bowman
6. Anthony Dixon
6. Nate Byham
6. Kyle Williams
7. Phillip Adams

I'd definitely say this was a solid draft. Shored up our Oline, got another great ILB and depth at RB & WR.

I remember having Anthony Davis and Iupati as one of the about 8 players I would like. Anthony was near the top. I liked Anthony better than Iupati, wanted him but was a little worried being a smaller school guy. Earl Thomas was my top pick. Liked haden but didn't think he would make it to us. Really liked the Bowman pick and Dixon I thought could have been a 2nd rounder and was a steal in the 6. I just hated that after his rookie year we had him bulk up 10 pounds and be a power back when it didn't fit his dancing running style. I would have had him go from 224 to 215 or so and not to 233. I remember a lot liking Kyle Williams. Turned out pretty good for a 6th. I know a lot liked CJ Spiller, would have been ok with him, wasn't as high as most.

As for grading 2010 it's right up there with 2007 (Goldson, Brown, Staley, Willis, McDonald) and 2011 (Aldon, Kap, Miller, Hunter) as our best drafts in decades.

I'd probably go 2007, then 2011/2010. 2013's draft could be up there with them as well. No wonder we are doing so well those 3 drafts are up there as some of the best in the entire nfl in probably a decade plus. Would have to really look but not going to do that.

Originally posted by Disp:
The point is those 3 players are so good that the rest of the draft doesn't matter. The players who don't make the team are completely irrelevant, and all that matters is how much better the draft makes us. In 2011 we could have just drafted Kaepernick, and right now it would be a great draft because of his value to the team. He's not an "A", he's a "AAA". Saying we had a worse draft just because some players didn't pan out is stupid when the net impact of the players who DID pan out is so dramatic.

Obviously the point of grading an entire class doesn't sink in with you. You can cherry pick every draft, find one good/great player and say, "see its a great draft and always an A." Unless this thread was made for rhetorical reasons so everybody can say we are the best every and every draft is an A, some intellectual analysis is in order.

The WHOLE draft matters from top to bottom. If we are going to evaluate it, it must be looked at in its entirety.

Its like saying the 09 draft was great because of Crabs and RJF....never-mind the 5 failures. Or the 08 draft was great because of Morgan and Grant but we need to not worry about Balmer and Chilo.

Originally posted by jreff22:
Obviously the point of grading an entire class doesn't sink in with you. You can cherry pick every draft, find one good/great player and say, "see its a great draft and always an A." Unless this thread was made for rhetorical reasons so everybody can say we are the best every and every draft is an A, some intellectual analysis is in order.

The WHOLE draft matters from top to bottom. If we are going to evaluate it, it must be looked at in its entirety.

Its like saying the 09 draft was great because of Crabs and RJF....never-mind the 5 failures. Or the 08 draft was great because of Morgan and Grant but we need to not worry about Balmer and Chilo.

No, it's not like saying that. Because most drafts are going to yield a couple of solid players. Crabs is a very good receiver, and RJF has been a career backup. Josh Morgan has been a #3 level receiver and grant has a been a solid ST & backup ILB. That is not at all like a draft that yielded one of the best RT's in the game, one of the best G's in the game, one of the best ILB's in the game, and about 3 other role players. What a terrible comparison.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Disp:

The point is those 3 players are so good that the rest of the draft doesn't matter. The players who don't make the team are completely irrelevant, and all that matters is how much better the draft makes us. In 2011 we could have just drafted Kaepernick, and right now it would be a great draft because of his value to the team. He's not an "A", he's a "AAA". Saying we had a worse draft just because some players didn't pan out is stupid when the net impact of the players who DID pan out is so dramatic.

Obviously the point of grading an entire class doesn't sink in with you. You can cherry pick every draft, find one good/great player and say, "see its a great draft and always an A." Unless this thread was made for rhetorical reasons so everybody can say we are the best every and every draft is an A, some intellectual analysis is in order.

The WHOLE draft matters from top to bottom. If we are going to evaluate it, it must be looked at in its entirety.

Its like saying the 09 draft was great because of Crabs and RJF....never-mind the 5 failures. Or the 08 draft was great because of Morgan and Grant but we need to not worry about Balmer and Chilo.

That's exactly how the draft works!!! I'm shocked on how unaware you are about draft classes. You aren't going to hit on every pick. I challenge you to find three better draft classes from 2010. Seattle and New England are the only ones close.

Drafted 3 of the top 25 players in the draft and also drafted solid role guys like Williams and Dixon. Easy A.