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Nice draft and good thoughts to cover our bases. We will soon see what Baalke does when it is his turn.
1 S Johnathan Cyprien 6'0'' 209 he can hit hard and play deep coverage

2a NT John Jenkins 6'4'' 359 big can take on double teams throws guys around. Need to keep offensive linemen off of Willis and Bowman

2b WE DA'Rick Rogers 6' 2'' 210 this guy fights for the ball (miss is gone) he goes over the middle of the field strong after the catch. I like WHEATON but we have A.J. Jenkins

3a CB/KR Darius Slay 6'1'' 190 4.4 40 Tall corner (Julio Jones) Brown will be gone after next year. Also replace Ginn as our kick/punt returner

3b DE/DT William Gholston 6'6'' 280 4.7 40 can run with TE's versatile lineman

4a TRADE for 6th round 2013 and 3rd round 2014

COMP.PICK
4b TE Dion Sims 6'5'' 285 4.7 40 good blocker and can (catch) RED ZONE

5a TRADE for 7th 2013 and 4th 2014

5b K Dustin Hopkins 6'1'' strong leg can hit 50 yarders ..Akers gone 4 million saved

6a CB/S/KR Tyrann Mathieu 5'9'' 180 all American 70 tackles 6 forced fumbles 5 fumbles recovered likes to mix it up. Worth taking a chance in the 6th round

6b WR Marquess Wilson 6'3'' 17 yard average 23 scores another tall WR to battle Seattles tall corners

6c TRADE For 5th round 2014

7a OLB Quanterus Smith 6'5'' 250 4.7 40 2012 sun belt defensive player of the year 12.5 sacks 18.5 tackles for loss
7b TRADE FOR 6th round 2014
7c TRADE FOR 6 th round 2014

Comp picks
7d DT/NT Anthony Rashard White 6'2'' 330 good against the run and taking on blockers replaces RJF
7e OT/G Oscar Johnson 6'6'' 330 played guard and left and right Tackle

And 5 extra picks for 2014 =3rd=4th=5th=6th=6th. Plus a 3rd or 2ND for Alex and 7th for JONES
7 extra picks 2014 draft we'll be set up for the future.

Free agents

DE/DT RICHARD SEYMOUR COLLAPSE THE POCKET WITH A 4 man rush can play every position on the d=line 2 yr deal


S Ed Reed / Charles Woodson 2 yr deal


CB Aquib Talib 4 yr deal CUT Rodgers 7.5 million


Players cut or released

Akers 4 million
Rodgers 7.5 million
Haralson 3 million
Manningham 5 million
Goldson 6 million
Sopoaga 4 million
RJF ?
Moss 2 million
Alex Smith I know he's traded just showing salary 7 million

So around 35 million saved
  • KID9R
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Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
I really don't see us bring in Josh Johnson in again he didn't make it last season we us why is this yr different

because we have 1 less quarterback this year .
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
I really don't see us bring in Josh Johnson in again he didn't make it last season we us why is this yr different

because we have 1 less quarterback this year .

True but I think we can bring in a cheap vet like D.Anderson he's had a few good urs N can help keap ...
Originally posted by KID9R:
Preciate the feedback but it's really drafting 2 wide receivers because Harper would move to TE like Walker did. And im Hopeful that Harrison wood make the team but more than likely would be a practice squad player


Agreed...
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Originally posted by blm7754:
An Oregon State fan huh? Your bias shows in your selections and analysis.

Wheaten is in no way, shape, or form the best WR in this draft class. He consistently catches the ball with his body instead of plucking it out of the air. If he doesn't fix this in the NFL, Kaepernick's hard passes will bounce right off his chest and NFL DBs with tight coverage will easily swat the ball away. He has speed and quickness, but he has below average size. He is nowhere near the pass catcher or route runner that Tavon Austin is (another small WR in this class). I'd pick him no sooner than the 3rd round.

Poyer also has no business being selected that soon. He is physically weak and doesn't possess elite speed to help make-up for it. He's a late 3rd rounder.

Marcus Wheaton
"Displays the flexibility to grab throws behind him or over his shoulder when running deep. He'll also extend away from his body to bring in high or wide throws, and will stutter on the sideline to ensure he makes the catch in-bounds'
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/markus-wheaton?id=2539291

"Often players with Wheaton's speed are just track stars who get lost on the gridiron. But Wheaton is more than that. He has smart and quick in his route running, showing an understanding of most of the routes on the route tree. He sets defensive backs up with head fakes and route angles, and sinks his hips well, exploding out of his breaks"

"Wheaton has a fantastic catch radius. His arms and hands (32 ¾" and 9 ?") are big for a smaller receiver, and his 37" vertical is solid for his size. His college quarterbacks were often less than accurate, and he demonstrated good body control and strong hands to adjust in the air and make catches away from his body. He also tracks the ball well over his shoulder, even hauling in throws that were off the mark."
http://edraft.com/nfl/news/2013-nfl-draft-markus-wheaton-scouting-report/

"He is a very good route runner with the feet and body control to drop his weight and get out of cuts. He will extend for the football, but also knows how to protect his catch by using his body. Markus adjusts well to the football and is a natural player." Phil Savage former GM
http://www.seniorbowl.com/article.asp?articleID=510

"Savvy, athletic route-runner. Can drop his hips and shows good balance, burst out of his breaks to generate separation. Recognizes holes in zone and settles nicely, keeping himself alive to aid his quarterback.
Talented pass catcher. Shows the ability to snatch passes out of the air and has good body control to contort. Good deep ball receiver, showing the ability to track the ball over either shoulder."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1665268/markus-wheaton

Tavon Austin
"Hands are good, but not exceptional; will let some hot passes through his small hands and into his chest."
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/tavon-austin?id=2539336

"Smaller hands and will have some drops and double-catches, sometimes looking to create before securing the grab."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664558

"Route Running: Austin can be as good a route runner as he wants thanks to his change of direction ability. I think he runs routes pretty well at this point, but I think there is plenty of room for improvement thanks to his incredible quickness"


"Hands: This is one thing that I think will hold Austin back a little bit. He's got pretty reliable hands, but he doesn't make an abundance of catches outside of his frame and he's not going to snag passes out of the air like receivers with great hands will."
http://tommeltonscouting.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/tavon-austin-wr-west-virginia-scouting-report/

"What I didn't like…

- Lacks ideal girth on his frame and needs to continue to fill out, and get a bit stronger.
- Still developing as a receiver, is going to have to improve his overall feel/route running ability.
- Limited to more of a slot guy only, can't see him beating press on the outside and learning entire route tree.
- Better athlete than overall receiver at this stage.
- Will drop the football and try to run at times before securing the catch."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Is-Tavon-Austin-an-elite-slot-prospect.html

Don't get me wrong Tavon is damn good and probably gone before 31. Just don't make stuff up.
[ Edited by KID9R on Mar 6, 2013 at 7:55 PM ]
Please no wheaten or Austin we need bigg 6'3+ WR I like Marcus Davis VT in tha 4rd ...
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Fauria N Hopkins will be gone by them picks N why are ppl so high on hunt he's old we'll have to replace him in 5-6 yrs

Peirce Holt 2.0
I appreciate you thoroughness. I just want a big WR somewhere that can actually play for us in 2013 - no more small shifty WRs needed - we have all the same type. Crabs is a tweener.
Originally posted by KID9R:
Originally posted by blm7754:
An Oregon State fan huh? Your bias shows in your selections and analysis.

Wheaten is in no way, shape, or form the best WR in this draft class. He consistently catches the ball with his body instead of plucking it out of the air. If he doesn't fix this in the NFL, Kaepernick's hard passes will bounce right off his chest and NFL DBs with tight coverage will easily swat the ball away. He has speed and quickness, but he has below average size. He is nowhere near the pass catcher or route runner that Tavon Austin is (another small WR in this class). I'd pick him no sooner than the 3rd round.

Poyer also has no business being selected that soon. He is physically weak and doesn't possess elite speed to help make-up for it. He's a late 3rd rounder.

Marcus Wheaton
"Displays the flexibility to grab throws behind him or over his shoulder when running deep. He'll also extend away from his body to bring in high or wide throws, and will stutter on the sideline to ensure he makes the catch in-bounds'
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/markus-wheaton?id=2539291

"Often players with Wheaton's speed are just track stars who get lost on the gridiron. But Wheaton is more than that. He has smart and quick in his route running, showing an understanding of most of the routes on the route tree. He sets defensive backs up with head fakes and route angles, and sinks his hips well, exploding out of his breaks"

"Wheaton has a fantastic catch radius. His arms and hands (32 ¾" and 9 ?") are big for a smaller receiver, and his 37" vertical is solid for his size. His college quarterbacks were often less than accurate, and he demonstrated good body control and strong hands to adjust in the air and make catches away from his body. He also tracks the ball well over his shoulder, even hauling in throws that were off the mark."
http://edraft.com/nfl/news/2013-nfl-draft-markus-wheaton-scouting-report/

"He is a very good route runner with the feet and body control to drop his weight and get out of cuts. He will extend for the football, but also knows how to protect his catch by using his body. Markus adjusts well to the football and is a natural player." Phil Savage former GM
http://www.seniorbowl.com/article.asp?articleID=510

"Savvy, athletic route-runner. Can drop his hips and shows good balance, burst out of his breaks to generate separation. Recognizes holes in zone and settles nicely, keeping himself alive to aid his quarterback.
Talented pass catcher. Shows the ability to snatch passes out of the air and has good body control to contort. Good deep ball receiver, showing the ability to track the ball over either shoulder."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1665268/markus-wheaton

Tavon Austin
"Hands are good, but not exceptional; will let some hot passes through his small hands and into his chest."
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/tavon-austin?id=2539336

"Smaller hands and will have some drops and double-catches, sometimes looking to create before securing the grab."
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664558

"Route Running: Austin can be as good a route runner as he wants thanks to his change of direction ability. I think he runs routes pretty well at this point, but I think there is plenty of room for improvement thanks to his incredible quickness"


"Hands: This is one thing that I think will hold Austin back a little bit. He's got pretty reliable hands, but he doesn't make an abundance of catches outside of his frame and he's not going to snag passes out of the air like receivers with great hands will."
http://tommeltonscouting.wordpress.com/2012/12/06/tavon-austin-wr-west-virginia-scouting-report/

"What I didn't like…

- Lacks ideal girth on his frame and needs to continue to fill out, and get a bit stronger.
- Still developing as a receiver, is going to have to improve his overall feel/route running ability.
- Limited to more of a slot guy only, can't see him beating press on the outside and learning entire route tree.
- Better athlete than overall receiver at this stage.
- Will drop the football and try to run at times before securing the catch."
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Is-Tavon-Austin-an-elite-slot-prospect.html

Don't get me wrong Tavon is damn good and probably gone before 31. Just don't make stuff up.

Not making s**t up. Just forming my own opinion from watching highlights. Pretty sure your original post had a YouTube link for Wheaton. Don't see it there now. You can't tell me he doesn't catch with his body... he does it at least every other play in that video. As for Austin, I've watched much more film on him than Wheaton. And I stand by my original comments.

You obviously put a lot of time into the links here. I'm not going to say I know more than all these guys.... but everybody has their own opinion and I've stated mine. Just don't accuse me of being uninformed. I've spent a lot of time studying WR prospects in this draft.
No way they trade out of pick 34. I cannot see Fauria in the 7th. If you want the best kicker, get them in the 5th to guarantee it.

A lot of work on the mock, decent, but you need a safety at pick 34, it is a necessity.
Originally posted by SSF49er:
Players cut or released

Akers 4 million
Rodgers 7.5 million
Haralson 3 million
Manningham 5 million
Goldson 6 million
Sopoaga 4 million
RJF ?
Moss 2 million
Alex Smith I know he's traded just showing salary 7 million

So around 35 million saved

You need to talk to ABCRules-your cap savings projections is skewed. You are not going to save any money on Sopoaga, Goldson, Moss, RJF-they are free agents and do not count for anything against the current cap. Plus the numbers for Rogers, Alex, Akers, and Manningham are off. I think only PH is close.

What makes you think Talib will fair better if there is no pass rush? He will get roasted as much if not more than Rogers or Culliver. If he is that good he will be too expensive.

DL and DB should be our priority in FA and the draft. Who and how I don't know as will have to wait to see how things shake out in the first week.
Applaud the effort...just a few things, though. Why would we retain Sopoaga if we're signing SLH and drafting NT Williams. Wasted cap space. As others have pointed out, some of the players you selected aren't likely to be on the board...like S Thomas. Don't see him lasting 'til the 74th pick. Brock...don't see him getting cut, Harbaugh likes him and he's still a young CB and is very good ST'er. Dixon...only real big RB we have...in the limited carries he got last season, he did well. Another ace ST'er. Manningham, injury settlement? It's possible, I suppose, but there's no reason he shouldn't be able to play next season. I don't think Goldson's coming back, unless it's with his tail between his legs because nobody wants to pay him $8M a season. The move I'd make is to sign Glover Quin, a former CB who's now a very good SS...then you cut Whitner to basically pay Quin's salary. That leaves a whole at FS, but one Thomas should be able to fill (but they'll likely have to take him considerably earlier than #74). Wilhoite's another guy Harbaugh likes...terrific ST'er but also valuable depth at ILB. He's earned respect from his teammates because he worked his butt off to be a contributor to the team. I'm not a Margus Hunt guy...especially not when you're also taking Datone Jones. I'm not sure either guy is stout enough to play DE in the 3-4. My plan would be to draft one of the "bigs"...like Sylvester Williams, for example...315-320 lbs, plays inside and out and is really quick. There aren't many in the 285-290 range who can generate the kind of push JS does. I like the Josh Johnson and SLH signings...both positions of need. Instead of the WR from Buffalo, I'd go after CB Sean Smith...he'd give some real size to the secondary and is a good cover guy. I believe he and Quin would be substantially better investments than Goldson. Lots of different ways the rest of the off-season could go...the fact Baalke has many options is a good thing. You could be right with many of your picks, trades, FA's, etc.
Why not draft Datone Jones and Margus Hunt at 31 and 34. Both have tons of potential and would also allow us to not worry about not having RJF as a backup. Insert Ian Williams as the NT and we could possibly have some great DE rotation?
Originally posted by mutant-man49:
Why not draft Datone Jones and Margus Hunt at 31 and 34. Both have tons of potential and would also allow us to not worry about not having RJF as a backup. Insert Ian Williams as the NT and we could possibly have some great DE rotation?

Please no 26 yr old rookie ugh raw lots of potential all read old rookie wasted pick