Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Forming an opinion after the NIners draft is not an objective way to grade a player, since you already have a bias to root for the guy, and see the best in a player, because you desperately want them to succeed.
This is a trap that some fall into. Nobody on the board is bemoaning the fact that we didn't select Stephen Hill, Mohamed Sanu, Rueben Randle, Brian Quick. But, we know how the game is played, If one of these guys were selected, and not Jenkins, nobody would be saddened that we didn't take Jenkins. If you are curious how much support there was on the board for Jenkins before the draft, happy hunting. There was more interest in players like Tommy Streeter. In other words, some fans will defend to the death a Niners' selection, regardless of the selection. That is not an honest evaluation. I provide an honest evaluation that does not waver on whether the team selects a player or not.
Doubt my previous statements? Please review the thread last year after the draft on which QB drafted would be most successful. It was CK in a landslide. Fans are fans, I get it. However, to criticize someone's assessment of players in the draft and defend management, hardly knowing anything about a player going into the draft is shoddy.
I have been following Jenkins and watching him for years. That is not the "exact same way" as someone who scrambles for a draft guide after the pick to figure out who we got.
If you refrained from remarks such as those highlighted in bold, this discussion would be more civil.
I find your charge that some fans are not honest and your implied assertion that you are honest to be particularly irksome.
First, the charge borders on the banal as there can always be some fans who are not honest.
Second, instead of painting with a broad brush, challenge those individuals who you feel are not honest.
man i dont think he is saying fans are dishonest. just that we as a fan base are more likely to believe in a pick because we are fans!! we love this team and we want our draft picks to succeed no matter what. therefore the opinions that we create are bias. even those of us who go and scout/research the player after the pick are going to create a bias opinion because the player is already on the team, his flaws are less of a concern because we believe in the coaching staff.
where as some fans, like maddog, who study the draft and college system almost religiously will question some picks due to a belief in their own scouting abilities and what their scouting of a player has told them about that player. they stick with their rankings regardless of where a player is drafted.
now you can argue that maddogs " honest" opinion of players is bias due to the fact that he wants his rankings to be correct but i feel that, regardless of who a player is drafted by , maddog gives an honest evaluation of the player.
i think its a testament to the new Front office, and shows just how bad the previous Front office's of this franchise have been.
That after 1 successful draft/Free agency and a brilliant season a majority of the fan base is developing a "blind faith " in the FO. Not necessarily a bad thing....
but you have to ask..... would we be debating that we didnt select jenkins if we had taken randle or hill?? probably not, that doesnt mean its a bad pick or that maddogs ranking is correct
, just if a lot of us are "honest" myself included we had no idea the 49ers were going to select jenkins but due to our belief in the front office we now firmly believe he was the correct choice, and that he will undoubtedly succeed, due to our belief in the front office and coaching staff to select the right players for this team.