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Hill and ? or Fleener and ?

Hill and Checister all the way! If not I would still be overjoyed with Fleener & Quick/Streeter
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I had an eye on Hill way before the Combine, I just figured, if CJ and DT were that good coming outta college than Hill who has somewhat of a similar skill set could be good value. I thought before the Combine that Hill was worth a 2nd round pick, now that the Combine has past, hes definitely worth the 30th pick IMO.

I'll give you Demarious Thomas but people really need to stop bringing up Calvin. He's night and day compared to Hill and Thomas.

2 time Biletnikoff winner with close to 3,000 yards and 28 touchdowns in his career there. Yeah they went to the same school and are tall, athletic receivers but the similarities end right there.

Paul Johnson and his triple option offense was not in place for Calvin Johnson. He was much more polished then Hill or Thomas.
Originally posted by jreff22:
we get Nate back who would be the better H-Back and I bet we draft a replacement for Moran

We did that last year
Originally posted by tjd808185:
I'll give you Demarious Thomas but people really need to stop bringing up Calvin. He's night and day compared to Hill and Thomas.

2 time Biletnikoff winner with close to 3,000 yards and 28 touchdowns in his career there. Yeah they went to the same school and are tall, athletic receivers but the similarities end right there.

Paul Johnson and his triple option offense was not in place for Calvin Johnson. He was much more polished then Hill or Thomas.

I disagree that CJ was more polished, as he still ran a simplified route tree, and was mostly used as a deep threat. There is no question that he was more productive, though.
Would trade whatever we had to so we could have both of these guys on the 49ers!
1st Round) Coby Fleener

2nd Round) Tommy Streeter

FA) Vincent Jackson

SUPER BOWL.....
out of those options, i would go with fleener and quick, but i would rather draft hill and a DE/CB/RG
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Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I had an eye on Hill way before the Combine, I just figured, if CJ and DT were that good coming outta college than Hill who has somewhat of a similar skill set could be good value. I thought before the Combine that Hill was worth a 2nd round pick, now that the Combine has past, hes definitely worth the 30th pick IMO.

I'll give you Demarious Thomas but people really need to stop bringing up Calvin. He's night and day compared to Hill and Thomas.

2 time Biletnikoff winner with close to 3,000 yards and 28 touchdowns in his career there. Yeah they went to the same school and are tall, athletic receivers but the similarities end right there.

Paul Johnson and his triple option offense was not in place for Calvin Johnson. He was much more polished then Hill or Thomas.

Only way I'm comparing Hill and CJ is one, measurables. Two, deep threat and how he makes plays after the catch. Is he as dominant as CJ, I wouldn't say so, but gaining 800+ yards off only 28 catches is an eye catcher.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I had an eye on Hill way before the Combine, I just figured, if CJ and DT were that good coming outta college than Hill who has somewhat of a similar skill set could be good value. I thought before the Combine that Hill was worth a 2nd round pick, now that the Combine has past, hes definitely worth the 30th pick IMO.

I'll give you Demarious Thomas but people really need to stop bringing up Calvin. He's night and day compared to Hill and Thomas.

2 time Biletnikoff winner with close to 3,000 yards and 28 touchdowns in his career there. Yeah they went to the same school and are tall, athletic receivers but the similarities end right there.

Paul Johnson and his triple option offense was not in place for Calvin Johnson. He was much more polished then Hill or Thomas.

Only way I'm comparing Hill and CJ is one, measurables. Two, deep threat and how he makes plays after the catch. Is he as dominant as CJ, I wouldn't say so, but gaining 800+ yards off only 28 catches is an eye catcher.

It will catch the eyes of others too which is why he will go before the #30 pick. Unfortunately we would have to trade up for him. I think he will go from #18 - #27 somewhere. 6'4" 215 lbs. and 4.36 don't grow on trees. Somebody will pick him high on potential alone. He could easily be the 2nd WR off the board. Only 1 will surely go ahead of him.
Fleener in the redzone would be sick. That's should be 1st on our list. And yes on Streeter too.. But after what Hill ran its gonna be hard to pass him up. How crazy would it be if we took Hill in the 1st and traded back into the 1st with NE to take Fleener before the Giants? Maybe dreams but still sounds sweet!
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I disagree that CJ was more polished, as he still ran a simplified route tree, and was mostly used as a deep threat. There is no question that he was more productive, though.

Disagree with that. He played under a NFL coach in Chan Gailey and was hardly the deep threat that you're claiming him to be. 16.4 YPC in college.

His last year in college. 76 catches 1,202 yards 15 touchdowns. 15.8 YPC Only had 2 games in 2006 with a higher than 20.0 YPC.

It's night and day compared to what Paul Johnson is running, and that's not supposed to be a slight on Hill. I'm fine with taking him I just don't think he's anywhere near as ready as CJ was.
Originally posted by aman49:
lol, whyTF do ppl on this board keep pulling for Fleener?

1, we already have 2 good TEs.
2, None of the experts have Fleener graded as even a top 5 TE.

You....are incorrect, sir...
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I disagree that CJ was more polished, as he still ran a simplified route tree, and was mostly used as a deep threat. There is no question that he was more productive, though.

Disagree with that. He played under a NFL coach in Chan Gailey and was hardly the deep threat that you're claiming him to be. 16.4 YPC in college.

His last year in college. 76 catches 1,202 yards 15 touchdowns. 15.8 YPC Only had 2 games in 2006 with a higher than 20.0 YPC.

It's night and day compared to what Paul Johnson is running, and that's not supposed to be a slight on Hill. I'm fine with taking him I just don't think he's anywhere near as ready as CJ was.

Dude, 16.4 yards/catch IS a deep threat. He caught Bubble screens and stuff, too. Just because you catch a lot of deep balls doesn't mean you can't also catch short stuff. W/out changing GT's offense this year, Hill's ypc would have decreased if they threw more, since you can't throw deep all game. You can't block for it all game, so you have to mix in the quick stuff, so the other team isn't expecting the deep ball, and they don't kill your QB on every drop back. The deep passing game is garbage when the DL knows its coming (Ask Tom Brady about the 4th Quarter of the 2007 superbowl). Regardless, I would challenge you to produce any clips of CJ running the complete route tree in college.
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Ugh there's a reason that zero teams have a receiving corps built based solely on height. This isn't basketball guys.

I'd much rather have:
One tall MID ROUND TE, i.e Egnew or Green.This is because we already have a #1 TE and wide receiver+cb are much bigger needs more worthy of 1st/2nd consideration.

Then get the best "overall" receiver early, which I believe would be Wright if he's there. Then the best WR we can afford in FA, which realistically will not be jackson or colston, it'll more likely be garcon,manningham or meachem.

Wright, crab, Meachem, Morgan
Egnew, Davis
[ Edited by mike on Mar 2, 2012 at 9:05 PM ]