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Originally posted by Draftology:
Size and athleticism are two things you cannot teach. He has both. He may have some bust potential, but he also has huuuge upside

He's big, but by all accounts he's not necessarily blazing fast, so a big slow receiver, sounds like JJ Stokes and Mike Williams with an a*****e complex. No thanks.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16120970/week-11-rewind-similar-to-sproles-oregons-pintsized-lamichael-james-can-excel-in-nfl


Last year, South Carolina wide receiver Alshon Jeffery made a mockery of SEC defenses catching 88 passes for 1,517 yards and nine touchdowns on his way to All-America honors.

Through 10 games this season: 38 catches for 504 yards and five touchdowns. He was limited to two catches for 17 yards Saturday by Florida. It is the fourth consecutive game the 2011 Biletnikoff Award finalist has been held under 25 receiving yards.

Some are chalking up Jeffery's mediocre production as simply a by-product of the Gamecocks' season-long struggle to find consistent quarterback play.

The truth: Jeffery is overrated.

In his first two seasons, Jeffery used his size and physicality to gain position on defensive backs. With defenses sucked up to try and contain Marcus Lattimore last season, Jeffery was often able to exploit single coverage, break a tackle and gain yardage -- sometimes big yardage -- after the catch. With defenders not in position to stop him, Jeffery appeared to possess explosiveness.

This season the rare talent playing cornerback in the SEC has exposed Jeffery's lack of explosiveness. He's not getting the ball as much this season, in large part because he isn't getting open.

Jeffery reminds me a great deal of another former USC receiver -- Southern California's Mike Williams (now with the Seattle Seahawks). Like Williams, Jeffery's NFL-caliber traits are his size, strength, soft hands and hand-eye coordination. Due to each man's ability to make the catch even with defenders draped over them, many of Williams' and Jeffery's receptions are memorable plays.

The reality is both need to make plays with defenders clutching at them as neither has the agility or straight-line speed to consistently get open in the NFL.

Rob Rang is a Senior Draft Analyst for NFLDraftScout.com, distributed by The Sports Xchange. Follow him on Twitter @RobRang.


[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Feb 2, 2012 at 7:45 PM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Draftology:
Size and athleticism are two things you cannot teach. He has both. He may have some bust potential, but he also has huuuge upside

He's big, but by all accounts he's not necessarily blazing fast, so a big slow receiver, sounds like JJ Stokes and Mike Williams with an a*****e complex. No thanks.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16120970/week-11-rewind-similar-to-sproles-oregons-pintsized-lamichael-james-can-excel-in-nfl


Last year, South Carolina wide receiver Alshon Jeffery made a mockery of SEC defenses catching 88 passes for 1,517 yards and nine touchdowns on his way to All-America honors.

Through 10 games this season: 38 catches for 504 yards and five touchdowns. He was limited to two catches for 17 yards Saturday by Florida. It is the fourth consecutive game the 2011 Biletnikoff Award finalist has been held under 25 receiving yards.

Some are chalking up Jeffery's mediocre production as simply a by-product of the Gamecocks' season-long struggle to find consistent quarterback play.

The truth: Jeffery is overrated.

In his first two seasons, Jeffery used his size and physicality to gain position on defensive backs. With defenses sucked up to try and contain Marcus Lattimore last season, Jeffery was often able to exploit single coverage, break a tackle and gain yardage -- sometimes big yardage -- after the catch. With defenders not in position to stop him, Jeffery appeared to possess explosiveness.

This season the rare talent playing cornerback in the SEC has exposed Jeffery's lack of explosiveness. He's not getting the ball as much this season, in large part because he isn't getting open.

Jeffery reminds me a great deal of another former USC receiver -- Southern California's Mike Williams (now with the Seattle Seahawks). Like Williams, Jeffery's NFL-caliber traits are his size, strength, soft hands and hand-eye coordination. Due to each man's ability to make the catch even with defenders draped over them, many of Williams' and Jeffery's receptions are memorable plays.

The reality is both need to make plays with defenders clutching at them as neither has the agility or straight-line speed to consistently get open in the NFL.

Rob Rang is a Senior Draft Analyst for NFLDraftScout.com, distributed by The Sports Xchange. Follow him on Twitter @RobRang.


"Jeffery is a physical specimen at 6'4'' and 229 pounds. He runs around a 4.50 in the 40-yard dash and has been clocked as fast as 4.46 from that distance. His combination of size and speed is without a doubt NFL material. Jeffery also comes with no apparent red flags to speak of. He has no injury history and comes with no off-the-field problems. Assuming Jeffery leaves early, he should be the second receiver behind Justin Blackmon off the board and a selection in the first half of the first round is possible." - http://www.fftoolbox.com/

You can find a scouting report that will say whatever you want it to say. What you can't argue with is his production when he had consistent quarterback play. AJ Green didn't have great production his final year in college either and he ran a 4.5 40 at the combine. You see him as Mike Williams. I see him as a bigger, but more raw AJ Green.
Originally posted by Draftology:
"Jeffery is a physical specimen at 6'4'' and 229 pounds. He runs around a 4.50 in the 40-yard dash and has been clocked as fast as 4.46 from that distance. His combination of size and speed is without a doubt NFL material. Jeffery also comes with no apparent red flags to speak of. He has no injury history and comes with no off-the-field problems. Assuming Jeffery leaves early, he should be the second receiver behind Justin Blackmon off the board and a selection in the first half of the first round is possible." - http://www.fftoolbox.com/

You can find a scouting report that will say whatever you want it to say. What you can't argue with is his production when he had consistent quarterback play. AJ Green didn't have great production his final year in college either and he ran a 4.5 40 at the combine. You see him as Mike Williams. I see him as a bigger, but more raw AJ Green.

AJ Green was a top 5 pick with tremendous consensus, the only consensus on Jeffery is that he's a handful and he's dropping down the draft boards..........
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Draftology:
"Jeffery is a physical specimen at 6'4'' and 229 pounds. He runs around a 4.50 in the 40-yard dash and has been clocked as fast as 4.46 from that distance. His combination of size and speed is without a doubt NFL material. Jeffery also comes with no apparent red flags to speak of. He has no injury history and comes with no off-the-field problems. Assuming Jeffery leaves early, he should be the second receiver behind Justin Blackmon off the board and a selection in the first half of the first round is possible." - http://www.fftoolbox.com/

You can find a scouting report that will say whatever you want it to say. What you can't argue with is his production when he had consistent quarterback play. AJ Green didn't have great production his final year in college either and he ran a 4.5 40 at the combine. You see him as Mike Williams. I see him as a bigger, but more raw AJ Green.

AJ Green was a top 5 pick with tremendous consensus, the only consensus on Jeffery is that he's a handful and he's dropping down the draft boards..........
Ya 3 months before the draft. Who's rising and falling right now is completely irrelevant. You're argument was that Jeffery is slow and that he's "a handful". He is predicted to run the same 40 as AJ Green and the scouting report I just posted specifically says he has no red flags to speak of. I agree that Green was a better prospect because he is more polished and a little faster, but that's why Jeffery could very well be there for us at 30. You can't hold it against him that Mike Williams also had great hands, size, and athleticism. Mike Williams also was notorious in the NFL for not putting in the work to be great
Originally posted by Draftology:
Ya 3 months before the draft. Who's rising and falling right now is completely irrelevant. You're argument was that Jeffery is slow and that he's "a handful". He is predicted to run the same 40 as AJ Green and the scouting report I just posted specifically says he has no red flags to speak of. I agree that Green was a better prospect because he is more polished and a little faster, but that's why Jeffery could very well be there for us at 30. You can't hold it against him that Mike Williams also had great hands, size, and athleticism. Mike Williams also was notorious in the NFL for not putting in the work to be great

Meh, we can agree to disagree, I still think the guy is total garbage and a huge bust waiting to happen which is why virtually every new mock draft has him dropping and completely out of the 1st round now. He's got a good ceiling, but his bottom is pretty steep, seems a lot like Dwayne Jarret.....the "new Keyshawn" that never was. I'd happily take Sanu or Fleener over him. Let the Lions have at it, they're good with busts.
Originally posted by Draftology:
Ya 3 months before the draft. Who's rising and falling right now is completely irrelevant. You're argument was that Jeffery is slow and that he's "a handful". He is predicted to run the same 40 as AJ Green and the scouting report I just posted specifically says he has no red flags to speak of. I agree that Green was a better prospect because he is more polished and a little faster, but that's why Jeffery could very well be there for us at 30. You can't hold it against him that Mike Williams also had great hands, size, and athleticism. Mike Williams also was notorious in the NFL for not putting in the work to be great

AJ Green had tremendous hands and body control and coordination that allowed him to track the ball with an amazing radius, all while going full speed. He's explosive, fast, which all shows up on tape.

If Jeffery runs a sub 4.5 then it's just Jason Hill speed garbage. I have yet to see him break away from defenders to the end zone, he always gets caught from behind and looks slow in any highlight video.
Originally posted by dhp318:
Originally posted by Draftology:
Ya 3 months before the draft. Who's rising and falling right now is completely irrelevant. You're argument was that Jeffery is slow and that he's "a handful". He is predicted to run the same 40 as AJ Green and the scouting report I just posted specifically says he has no red flags to speak of. I agree that Green was a better prospect because he is more polished and a little faster, but that's why Jeffery could very well be there for us at 30. You can't hold it against him that Mike Williams also had great hands, size, and athleticism. Mike Williams also was notorious in the NFL for not putting in the work to be great

AJ Green had tremendous hands and body control and coordination that allowed him to track the ball with an amazing radius, all while going full speed. He's explosive, fast, which all shows up on tape.

If Jeffery runs a sub 4.5 then it's just Jason Hill speed garbage. I have yet to see him break away from defenders to the end zone, he always gets caught from behind and looks slow in any highlight video.

Agreed. This isn't about numbers. Dwayne Jarret and Mike Williams were nightmares to defend in college as well. At the college level you don't need to seerate if you're bigger than your opponent. In the NFL you do.

It's about watching him game in and game out. Alshon Jeffery was the most overrated player goint into this year of college football. He lacks speed, suddenness, and the ability to gain separation against college cornerbacks. AJ Green was quick, sudden, smooth in and out of breaks. He also had significantly better hands and better body control than Alshon. If you want a big productive body that can't get separation, take Jeff Fuller or Dwight Jones later in the draft (players who should also plummet come draft day).

If Alshon ever becomes a 1,000 yard receiver in the NFL, I will happily eat crow.

People all to often stress over WR height. While a taller wr is more ideal than a shorter wr all else equal, a wide receiver that consistently gains separation is hands down more valuable any day. For that, I would take Joe Adams over any one of these scrubs. If you want height AND ability to separate take Reuben Randle, Mohamed Sanu, or Brian Quick.
[ Edited by 49oz2superbowl on Feb 4, 2012 at 7:09 AM ]
Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
Agreed. This isn't about numbers. Dwayne Jarret and Mike Williams were nightmares to defend in college as well. At the college level you don't need to seerate if you're bigger than your opponent. In the NFL you do.

It's about watching him game in and game out. Alshon Jeffery was the most overrated player goint into this year of college football. He lacks speed, suddenness, and the ability to gain separation against college cornerbacks. AJ Green was quick, sudden, smooth in and out of breaks. He also had significantly better hands and better body control than Alshon. If you want a big productive body that can't get separation, take Jeff Fuller or Dwight Jones later in the draft (players who should also plummet come draft day).

If Alshon ever becomes a 1,000 yard receiver in the NFL, I will happily eat crow.

People all to often stress over WR height. While a taller wr is more ideal than a shorter wr all else equal, a wide receiver that consistently gains separation is hands down more valuable any day. For that, I would take Joe Adams over any one of these scrubs. If you want height AND ability to separate take Reuben Randle, Mohamed Sanu, or Brian Quick.

And he gets FAT. The kind of fat that has your spare tire showing through your uniform early in the season. If he looks like that in his early twenties, he will just get fatter as his metabolism slows down. I think that indicates a scary lack of work ethic (esoecially since it was at the start of his last year before the NFL), and those guys generally bust out. I hope someone takes him early so the real players all slide one spot closer to us.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
And he gets FAT. The kind of fat that has your spare tire showing through your uniform early in the season. If he looks like that in his early twenties, he will just get fatter as his metabolism slows down. I think that indicates a scary lack of work ethic (esoecially since it was at the start of his last year before the NFL), and those guys generally bust out. I hope someone takes him early so the real players all slide one spot closer to us.

This, how do you allow yourself to get fat as a WR, especially when you're auditioning for your future career? I don't think anyone believes that this guy getting well-paid is all of the sudden going to result in a major burst of motivation. Bust City here we come.


For those who haven't watched him, guess which one he is.


[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Feb 4, 2012 at 12:18 PM ]
Originally posted by dhp318:
Originally posted by Draftology:
Ya 3 months before the draft. Who's rising and falling right now is completely irrelevant. You're argument was that Jeffery is slow and that he's "a handful". He is predicted to run the same 40 as AJ Green and the scouting report I just posted specifically says he has no red flags to speak of. I agree that Green was a better prospect because he is more polished and a little faster, but that's why Jeffery could very well be there for us at 30. You can't hold it against him that Mike Williams also had great hands, size, and athleticism. Mike Williams also was notorious in the NFL for not putting in the work to be great

AJ Green had tremendous hands and body control and coordination that allowed him to track the ball with an amazing radius, all while going full speed. He's explosive, fast, which all shows up on tape.

If Jeffery runs a sub 4.5 then it's just Jason Hill speed garbage. I have yet to see him break away from defenders to the end zone, he always gets caught from behind and looks slow in any highlight video.

Jeffery's best assets are his tremendous hands and body control...
Originally posted by Draftology:
Originally posted by dhp318:
Originally posted by Draftology:
Ya 3 months before the draft. Who's rising and falling right now is completely irrelevant. You're argument was that Jeffery is slow and that he's "a handful". He is predicted to run the same 40 as AJ Green and the scouting report I just posted specifically says he has no red flags to speak of. I agree that Green was a better prospect because he is more polished and a little faster, but that's why Jeffery could very well be there for us at 30. You can't hold it against him that Mike Williams also had great hands, size, and athleticism. Mike Williams also was notorious in the NFL for not putting in the work to be great

AJ Green had tremendous hands and body control and coordination that allowed him to track the ball with an amazing radius, all while going full speed. He's explosive, fast, which all shows up on tape.

If Jeffery runs a sub 4.5 then it's just Jason Hill speed garbage. I have yet to see him break away from defenders to the end zone, he always gets caught from behind and looks slow in any highlight video.

Jeffery's best assets are his tremendous hands and body control...

... and FAT. Fat fat fatty fat fatty fatty fat fat. FAT (He tends to get a little bit FAT)
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
And he gets FAT. The kind of fat that has your spare tire showing through your uniform early in the season. If he looks like that in his early twenties, he will just get fatter as his metabolism slows down. I think that indicates a scary lack of work ethic (esoecially since it was at the start of his last year before the NFL), and those guys generally bust out. I hope someone takes him early so the real players all slide one spot closer to us.

This, how do you allow yourself to get fat as a WR, especially when you're auditioning for your future career? I don't think anyone believes that this guy getting well-paid is all of the sudden going to result in a major burst of motivation. Bust City here we come.


For those who haven't watched him, guess which one he is.



WIIIIIIIIDE RECEIVER
Originally posted by 9erguy:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
And he gets FAT. The kind of fat that has your spare tire showing through your uniform early in the season. If he looks like that in his early twenties, he will just get fatter as his metabolism slows down. I think that indicates a scary lack of work ethic (esoecially since it was at the start of his last year before the NFL), and those guys generally bust out. I hope someone takes him early so the real players all slide one spot closer to us.

This, how do you allow yourself to get fat as a WR, especially when you're auditioning for your future career? I don't think anyone believes that this guy getting well-paid is all of the sudden going to result in a major burst of motivation. Bust City here we come.


For those who haven't watched him, guess which one he is.



WIIIIIIIIDE RECEIVER

melvin ingram looks in better shape than he is and hes a dline man
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
melvin ingram looks in better shape than he is and hes a dline man

I know it's not but he kinda looks like he's wearing a bra to boot.



f**k THAT, I know this is San Francisco but that's just taking it too damn far!!!!


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