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Alshon Jeffrery, WR, South Carolina

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The things I've seen about Jeffery in terms of potential pro and cons

Pro
-Physical talent / the jump ball-hail mary in the bowl game, out jumping 3 dbs for a ball he grabbed away from his body, landed and spun then sidestepped a defender and dove for the goal line
-Durability-play through injuries / played through a broken hand for much of the year


con
-Possibility of a bad work ethic (weight issues - on field effort - control or the "fight" with Dennard) / interviews will be crucial for him
-Possible lack of speed or ability to separate from faster DBs / combine will really help dispel these rumors or will bring them to light if their true.

Simple as that. If he runs below a 4.59, shows good agility in the drills and shows up under 230 and cut I will go right back to advocating for him at 30. At this point his stock has fallen to the 30-45 pick range and the only way he boosts his stock into the top 20-25 is if he runs a 4.45 or lower.
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
his potebtial in the pros is very good

he has al the qualities you want in a WR on paper

body control
hands
jump ball
doesnt catch with his body

he catches everything in his vicinity
if he runs anything under 4.6 in 40 he is a guy we have to get at 30

hes just too physically talented

Yes he is. However, route running and explosion out of the cuts are what's missing from his skill set. Can he overpower CBs or Ss in the RZ, no doubt about it.

It's getting there that's the problem with this kid. If he can keep the weight down and demonstrate his work ethic is in tact, then he could be a steal if grabbed in the second. But, there's many similarities with Mike Williams and we know how he turned out.

I really dig the kid's skill set. Would rather have Sanu then as he's more versatile and just a better route runner.

If he doesn't run well at the Combine, I can see him drop to the bottom of the second. If he shows a respectable time in the drills, he will be that fringe into the second, IMO.
Alshon Jeffery is an exact replica of Mike Williams in almost every way you can imagine. Mike Williams reportedly was one of the hardest workers on the team and a high character guy. When he got to the NFL, apparently that ethic vanished, and led to his fading away. Mike Williams dominated what were considered elite CB prospects, and was still a colossal NFL failure.

Will Jeffery be the different one? Will he actually be the guy who not only desires greatness, but works from day one to achieve it? If he wants it 1000X more than Mike Williams did, he will be at worst a decent receiver.

I have to believe though, if I'm a team, I really have to take extreme efforts in doing my research on Jeffery. Right now, he is a terrifying prospect because of the similarities.
I agree there OTC, the combine will be very important for him, how he shows up, how he works out, and how he interviews.
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As stupid as it was to compare Cam Newton to Vince Young, it is just as stupid to compare Alshon Jeffery to Mike Williams.

The only similarities between the two is that they are huge receivers. Connor Shaw and Stephen Garcia make Matt Leinart look like Steve Young. That USC team was STACKED from top to bottom and absolutely overwhelmed it's pac 10 oppononets, whereas the Gamecock are good but play against the best team week in and week out. Alshon Jeffery is the BEST player on his team (especially when Lattimore is injured) while MIke Williams was maybe the 3rd or 4th best player on his offense (at best).

Mike Williams was a bust because of his work ethic/ some sort of mental or emtoional issue. Not because he was 6'5. Not because he could box out college corners and make impressive catches. Mike Williams busting is not the standard for tall productive receivers, he's the exception. If Alshon Jeffery has any desire to be great, he will be.
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
As stupid as it was to compare Cam Newton to Vince Young, it is just as stupid to compare Alshon Jeffery to Mike Williams.

The only similarities between the two is that they are huge receivers. Connor Shaw and Stephen Garcia make Matt Leinart look like Steve Young. That USC team was STACKED from top to bottom and absolutely overwhelmed it's pac 10 oppononets, whereas the Gamecock are good but play against the best team week in and week out. Alshon Jeffery is the BEST player on his team (especially when Lattimore is injured) while MIke Williams was maybe the 3rd or 4th best player on his offense (at best).

Mike Williams was a bust because of his work ethic/ some sort of mental or emtoional issue. Not because he was 6'5. Not because he could box out college corners and make impressive catches. Mike Williams busting is not the standard for tall productive receivers, he's the exception. If Alshon Jeffery has any desire to be great, he will be.

If Jeffery was actually perceived as talented as Mike Williams, he'd be getting top 10 consideration, despite the supposed slow 40 time. See: Mike Williams, Larry Fitzgerald. But he's not viewed as that level of a prospect right now. I value him as a solid 2nd round boom or bust pick. And the bolded is EXACTLY what I'm talking about in regards to these two. I said that exact same thing. Read the scouting report on Mike Williams:

Quote:
Character

Well-liked, mature player with a team-first attitude, but will not hesitate to ask for the ball in crucial situations. Great kid with excellent character, who has been embraced by the coaching staff & teammates as he awaits the NCAA eligibility ruling. He is very well-liked & respected.


Work Habits

Good worker, who seems responsible & dedicated.


Football Sense

Hard worker who is smart, learns football well & is a good student. Has a good feel for the sidelines, but does not block consistently down field. Reacts well to coverages.


Will Jeffery prove to have a good work ethic? AND IF HE DOES.. Will it carry over to the NFL? That should be the difference between his success and failure. He can dominate if he works in the NFL to constantly hone his craft. The speed is not much an issue to me because of his size, hands, and body control. It's whether he has an NFL-level work ethic. As Mike Williams scouting report tells us, sometimes even what we seem sure of, doesn't turn out.

I hope Jeffery has a successful career wherever he goes, and I would fully support it if we took him.
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Let's be honest, if Alshon played in that USC offense, I have no doubts he'd be seen as a top 10 or even maybe top 5 pick. stock his stock already was very high at the end of last season and beginning of this one. Oviously it dipped due to his numbers being down but unfortunately for him, because he is huge and reminds people of Mike Williams, he was immediately tagged as being "fat" and "lazy" and everybody blamed him for his poor season. Nobody attributed his poor season to the QB play on his team (which was atrocious if you actually watched any of his games).

I appreciate the scouting report, but what is that? Do you know Mike Williams and is this your analysis about his character? If not, it means nothing to me. It's just a scouting report, and not even one from an NFL team (correct me if I'm wrong). Scouting reports are not always accurate. Vernon Davis was supposed to have great hands and be a terrible blocker. We know how that one worked out...
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Let's be honest, if Alshon played in that USC offense, I have no doubts he'd be seen as a top 10 or even maybe top 5 pick. stock his stock already was very high at the end of last season and beginning of this one. Oviously it dipped due to his numbers being down but unfortunately for him, because he is huge and reminds people of Mike Williams, he was immediately tagged as being "fat" and "lazy" and everybody blamed him for his poor season. Nobody attributed his poor season to the QB play on his team (which was atrocious if you actually watched any of his games).

I appreciate the scouting report, but what is that? Do you know Mike Williams and is this your analysis about his character? If not, it means nothing to me. It's just a scouting report, and not even one from an NFL team (correct me if I'm wrong). Scouting reports are not always accurate. Vernon Davis was supposed to have great hands and be a terrible blocker. We know how that one worked out...

I think he was tagged as "fat" because he was fat (see: spare tire and moobs), and lazy is just fat's baked cousin
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Oh s**t, Wrathman, you have a picture of AJ without his shirt? Did you fastforward in time to his combine weigh in or what?
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Oh s**t, Wrathman, you have a picture of AJ without his shirt? Did you fastforward in time to his combine weigh in or what?

You sound a little mad bro, are you his agent or what? Chill out, we'll know soon enough how successful his offseason workout program was.
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Lmao.
http://profootball.scout.com/2/1160642.html

Is Alshon Jeffery in shape for the combine?

According to sources and a player who's been training with Jeffery near Tampa, Fla., the Gamecocks star wideout is actually in good shape. How fast he'll run the 40-yard dash remains unclear. "Oh yeah, Alshon's in good shape," said Bethune-Cookman OLB/DE Ryan Davis, who's been training with Jeffery in Florida. "He's looking very good out there. He's going to turn a lot of heads. He's a big receiver, but he's not fat. I laugh when I see that on TV. He's been smirking. I bet he runs a 4.5. He's way down in his weight. He's between 217 and 220 right now."
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
he can't generate the burst needed to separate on long routes … Lacks plant-and-drive agility, spending too much time rounding his cuts and gathering at the top of the route … Has had ball concentration issues that resulted in several costly fumbles … Does not have the second gear needed to separate and turn a small catch into a big gain … Needs to explode out of his cuts better and this is caused mostly when he fails to drop his route in his patterns


Scouting report... for Marques Colston! http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/408644







Big difference, Colston set school records and was far better at generating separation than Jeffery, Colston also improved every single year in college and never showed up looking fat.

You just say anything you can to make a point lol.... I think your work in this thread is done and you can focus else where for bit.
Originally posted by Baugh_Area:
Oh s**t, Wrathman, you have a picture of AJ without his shirt? Did you fastforward in time to his combine weigh in or what?

Uhhh, did you not see any of the pics in this and the AT vs Floyd thread where dude's spare tire was bulging out of his uniform. Sorry if his fat-fat-fatty-fat-fatty-fatty-fat-fatness is a problem for you, but you not liking it doesn't make it go away. Even if he shows up in shape for the combine, he's still the guy who showed up FAT for his last year of college ball. With all the guys who flame out for lack of effort, I'd feel safer picking a guy who doesn't get soft in the offseason.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
http://profootball.scout.com/2/1160642.html

Is Alshon Jeffery in shape for the combine?

According to sources and a player who's been training with Jeffery near Tampa, Fla., the Gamecocks star wideout is actually in good shape. How fast he'll run the 40-yard dash remains unclear. "Oh yeah, Alshon's in good shape," said Bethune-Cookman OLB/DE Ryan Davis, who's been training with Jeffery in Florida. "He's looking very good out there. He's going to turn a lot of heads. He's a big receiver, but he's not fat. I laugh when I see that on TV. He's been smirking. I bet he runs a 4.5. He's way down in his weight. He's between 217 and 220 right now."

Around 220 is way down in weight?!?! How f**kin' fat was he before he started training?

I don't get the crazy love people have for this guy. Fellas, you can find big boobs just about anywhere, and they don't have to be atached to a massive black dude.
[ Edited by WRATHman44 on Feb 22, 2012 at 7:54 PM ]