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Would you trade #1 pick and Willis and Davis for rights to Luck

Would you trade #1 pick and Willis and Davis for rights to Luck

giving up a 1st rounder or two is one thing but giving a way a future hall of famer or two is just stupid. VD is a properly installed offense away from being the greatest TE ever and Willis is Willis. retarded thread.
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Simple as that... would you trade Willis and Davis and our 1st round pick for the 1st overall pick, and the right to pick Andrew Luck?

Hmm.. Nope
Seriously? WTF Hell no!
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

Elway is a perfect example.......for not doing this trade. It took him almost 15 years to win his first Superbowl, thanks mostly to the running game and improved defense. The greatest prospect to come out of college in 29 years (according to you) took 15 years to win his first Superbowl, and he needed the best RB in the game those 2 years to get there, two pro-bowl WRs in Rod Smith and McCaffrey, and Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe - not to mention a great LT to protect him.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

Elway is a perfect example.......for not doing this trade. It took him almost 15 years to win his first Superbowl, thanks mostly to the running game and improved defense. The greatest prospect to come out of college in 29 years (according to you) took 15 years to win his first Superbowl, and he needed the best RB in the game those 2 years to get there, two pro-bowl WRs in Rod Smith and McCaffrey, and Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe - not to mention a great LT to protect him.

You're right, we would be much worse off right now with John Elway....
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

Elway is a perfect example.......for not doing this trade. It took him almost 15 years to win his first Superbowl, thanks mostly to the running game and improved defense. The greatest prospect to come out of college in 29 years (according to you) took 15 years to win his first Superbowl, and he needed the best RB in the game those 2 years to get there, two pro-bowl WRs in Rod Smith and McCaffrey, and Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe - not to mention a great LT to protect him.

You're right, we would be much worse off right now with John Elway....

... The point is that while it's a major piece, QB is not the only position on the field. Giving up two firsts and other picks? Sure. But if you weaken the team by taking it's best defensive player and one of it's best offense players and arguably best receiving weapon, as well as taking away a high pick to replace players of that caliber in the draft, your team will continue to suck at least initially because you, at best, likely canceled out any gains from the start. You would have a rookie adjusting to the NFL, with virtually no receiving weapons, a winding down Gore, and a weakened run defense from shipping off the best player on your defense, and in your front seven in particular.
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Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

Elway is a perfect example.......for not doing this trade. It took him almost 15 years to win his first Superbowl, thanks mostly to the running game and improved defense. The greatest prospect to come out of college in 29 years (according to you) took 15 years to win his first Superbowl, and he needed the best RB in the game those 2 years to get there, two pro-bowl WRs in Rod Smith and McCaffrey, and Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe - not to mention a great LT to protect him.

You're right, we would be much worse off right now with John Elway....

Elway was pretty damn over-rated QB for most of his career. He career high in TDs in his first 10 years? 22 TDs in a season, he also threw for 23 INTs in the same season. Never once threw for 30 TDs in his career. Let's not even talk about his completion % which was close to 55 for the first 10 years.

With no Willis and Davis, and with our OL and WRs - we'd be much worse. We win with defense, and not turning the ball over. You're taking away our best defensive player, our best player in the passing game, and adding a QB who is INT machine. How are we not going to be worse off?
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

Elway is a perfect example.......for not doing this trade. It took him almost 15 years to win his first Superbowl, thanks mostly to the running game and improved defense. The greatest prospect to come out of college in 29 years (according to you) took 15 years to win his first Superbowl, and he needed the best RB in the game those 2 years to get there, two pro-bowl WRs in Rod Smith and McCaffrey, and Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe - not to mention a great LT to protect him.

You're right, we would be much worse off right now with John Elway....

Elway was pretty damn over-rated QB for most of his career. He career high in TDs in his first 10 years? 22 TDs in a season, he also threw for 23 INTs in the same season. Never once threw for 30 TDs in his career. Let's not even talk about his completion % which was close to 55 for the first 10 years.

With no Willis and Davis, and with our OL and WRs - we'd be much worse. We win with defense, and not turning the ball over. You're taking away our best defensive player, our best player in the passing game, and adding a QB who is INT machine. How are we not going to be worse off?

How many superbowls did Elway take the Broncos to with NO supporting cast around him (on offense or defense)?
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

No offense but how in the world did you have Calvin Johnson graded above Peyton Manning?
[ Edited by 49erFaithful6 on Oct 9, 2011 at 5:34 AM ]
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

Elway is a perfect example.......for not doing this trade. It took him almost 15 years to win his first Superbowl, thanks mostly to the running game and improved defense. The greatest prospect to come out of college in 29 years (according to you) took 15 years to win his first Superbowl, and he needed the best RB in the game those 2 years to get there, two pro-bowl WRs in Rod Smith and McCaffrey, and Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe - not to mention a great LT to protect him.

You're right, we would be much worse off right now with John Elway....

Elway was pretty damn over-rated QB for most of his career. He career high in TDs in his first 10 years? 22 TDs in a season, he also threw for 23 INTs in the same season. Never once threw for 30 TDs in his career. Let's not even talk about his completion % which was close to 55 for the first 10 years.

With no Willis and Davis, and with our OL and WRs - we'd be much worse. We win with defense, and not turning the ball over. You're taking away our best defensive player, our best player in the passing game, and adding a QB who is INT machine. How are we not going to be worse off?

How many superbowls did Elway take the Broncos to with NO supporting cast around him (on offense or defense)?

So throwing 18 TDs and barely 3000 yards, that was him getting the team to the playoffs/superbowl? Not sure how he managed to do that with "no" supporting cast. If Peyton would have those kind of numbers, the Colts would've been picking top 10 in the draft every year and Manning wouldn't be the QB anymore. Elway had a good team around him for the majority of his career, and a HOF coach. He is easily one of the most overrated players in sports history.
[ Edited by TheG0RE49er on Oct 9, 2011 at 7:56 AM ]
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

Elway is a perfect example.......for not doing this trade. It took him almost 15 years to win his first Superbowl, thanks mostly to the running game and improved defense. The greatest prospect to come out of college in 29 years (according to you) took 15 years to win his first Superbowl, and he needed the best RB in the game those 2 years to get there, two pro-bowl WRs in Rod Smith and McCaffrey, and Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe - not to mention a great LT to protect him.

You're right, we would be much worse off right now with John Elway....

Elway was pretty damn over-rated QB for most of his career. He career high in TDs in his first 10 years? 22 TDs in a season, he also threw for 23 INTs in the same season. Never once threw for 30 TDs in his career. Let's not even talk about his completion % which was close to 55 for the first 10 years.

With no Willis and Davis, and with our OL and WRs - we'd be much worse. We win with defense, and not turning the ball over. You're taking away our best defensive player, our best player in the passing game, and adding a QB who is INT machine. How are we not going to be worse off?

Good points ...
I'd factor this as well, into that equation. Their coach, had the recipe (if you will, from being the 49ers OC) for success to win a
championship with BW' WCO. Without this, combined with the above mentioned, the Broncos, are the Vikings of the AFC IMO.
That's a suckers bet... No, no, and no!
If you are convinced Luck is the genuine article it would be a good decision. And for all those who think Elway was overrated you would then have to believe Sammy Winder, Gerald Wilhite, Vance Johnson, Mark Jackson, Ricky Nattiel, Clarence Kay and Orson Mobley were All-Pros. It is so easy to recite statistics like passer rating, completion pct and TD passes. But to appreciate "The Duke" you had to have watched him play or at least read articles written by those who did.
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
I think some of you dismissed the idea too abruptly.

It is a crazy amount of talent to give up...but I'd do it because I believe Luck will be a Hall of Fame QB before his NFL career is finished. I think he is the best NFL QB prospect coming out of college since John Elway, which will be 29 years ago on draft day. And, as we all know, superstar QB's win multiple Super Bowls, not great middle linebackers and tight ends.

The only other player I would have been willing to make a comparable deal was Calvin Johnson, who I said in pre-draft notes would break every major WR record before he is retired. These were my two highest graded players since the Stanford horse nixed the Colts.

Elway is a perfect example.......for not doing this trade. It took him almost 15 years to win his first Superbowl, thanks mostly to the running game and improved defense. The greatest prospect to come out of college in 29 years (according to you) took 15 years to win his first Superbowl, and he needed the best RB in the game those 2 years to get there, two pro-bowl WRs in Rod Smith and McCaffrey, and Hall of Fame TE Shannon Sharpe - not to mention a great LT to protect him.

You're right, we would be much worse off right now with John Elway....

Marino would make a better example.