Locker v. Luck, The Great QB Debate | Page 5

Oct 10, 2010 at 4:51 PM

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Luck does alot to make the oline look good as well. He has a very quick release.

Oct 10, 2010 at 4:59 PM

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Kingpin
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Originally posted by kstolai:
Luck does alot to make the oline look good as well. He has a very quick release.

so do i, but if you ask my girl she'd never say i should be drafted by the niners.

Oct 10, 2010 at 5:16 PM

#63

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Originally posted by kstolai:
Luck does alot to make the oline look good as well. He has a very quick release.

i disagree with this its not that e makes the oline look good his o line is good

im not saying he doesnt have a quick release but he rarely has to face pressure and ive seen him with a prefect pocket after 4 seconds with the ball

Oct 10, 2010 at 7:01 PM

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Why isn't there a neither option?

Oct 10, 2010 at 7:36 PM

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Jake Locker

2009: 2800 yrds, 58.2%, 21 Tds, 11 INTS, 28 Sacks, 129.75 Rating

2010: 1145 yrds, 55.4%, 8 Tds, 3 INTs, 6 Sacks 124.75 Rating

Projected: 2748 yrds, 55.4%, 19 Tds, 7 INTs, 14 Sacks 124.75 Rating

Looks like he is getting worse as a QB in the "pro" offense

Oct 10, 2010 at 10:55 PM

#66

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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by kstolai:
Luck does alot to make the oline look good as well. He has a very quick release.

i disagree with this its not that e makes the oline look good his o line is good

im not saying he doesnt have a quick release but he rarely has to face pressure and ive seen him with a prefect pocket after 4 seconds with the ball

i would also like to point out that stanford has much more weapons as well as the o line and a much better coach

locker weapons are blow avg at best and his o line i s also below avg

Oct 11, 2010 at 12:07 AM

#67

kstolai
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Bring on Luck!

Oct 11, 2010 at 12:09 AM

#68

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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by kstolai:
Luck does alot to make the oline look good as well. He has a very quick release.

i disagree with this its not that e makes the oline look good his o line is good

im not saying he doesnt have a quick release but he rarely has to face pressure and ive seen him with a prefect pocket after 4 seconds with the ball

i would also like to point out that stanford has much more weapons as well as the o line and a much better coach

locker weapons are blow avg at best and his o line i s also below avg

This.

Oct 11, 2010 at 7:32 AM

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toeknee
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I haven't watched a game of lockers, when they play cal will probably be the first time

Oct 11, 2010 at 7:48 AM

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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by kstolai:
Luck does alot to make the oline look good as well. He has a very quick release.

i disagree with this its not that e makes the oline look good his o line is good

im not saying he doesnt have a quick release but he rarely has to face pressure and ive seen him with a prefect pocket after 4 seconds with the ball

i would also like to point out that stanford has much more weapons as well as the o line and a much better coach

locker weapons are blow avg at best and his o line i s also below avg

This.

I don't know if it's ever a good thing when you have to make excuses for a QB

Alexcuses anyone?

Oct 11, 2010 at 9:04 AM

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Originally posted by Jcool:
Jake Locker

2009: 2800 yrds, 58.2%, 21 Tds, 11 INTS, 28 Sacks, 129.75 Rating

2010: 1145 yrds, 55.4%, 8 Tds, 3 INTs, 6 Sacks 124.75 Rating

Projected: 2748 yrds, 55.4%, 19 Tds, 7 INTs, 14 Sacks 124.75 Rating

Looks like he is getting worse as a QB in the "pro" offense

where do u see that?????? the rating is still outstanding...so i dont see any struggle at all. i see that the guy can learn a system in a fast way...if he wouldnt, the stats would be much worse.

Oct 11, 2010 at 9:23 AM

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I'll take Luck over Locker if we had the opportunity to choose between them. Luck has great footwork and makes very quick reads. He has a decent and is very accurate. Not saying Locker doesn't have any of those qualities, but he's probably going to take a couple years to adjust in the pros.

Oct 11, 2010 at 9:35 AM

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Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'd just hate to make the same mistake in choosing athleticism over Football IQ and mechanics.

When all is said and done, I just hope we either traded up for Luck or stood pat and drafted Ricky Stanzi.
locker doesnt have mechanics and football iq??? how did he make his plays? with "luck"?
i hope that locker will get an invitation to the senior bowl where he should get some pass protection and talent at wr to throw at something...then we will see, at least for some minutes, how good locker really is.

Where did I say he didn't??? IMO, it just seems Locker relies more on his athleticism more than trying to sit there and read a defense or go through his reads. People can sit there all they want and tell me hes a good pocket passer, but I'm not the only one that sees when dropping back and his first or second read isn't there hes off and running.

Oct 11, 2010 at 9:47 AM

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Originally posted by Kolohe:

Where did I say he didn't??? IMO, it just seems Locker relies more on his athleticism more than trying to sit there and read a defense or go through his reads. People can sit there all they want and tell me hes a good pocket passer, but I'm not the only one that sees when dropping back and his first or second read isn't there hes off and running.

if u see coming pressure right in the front of your face, u would start running, too.

lets see what luck did in his first year in the harbaugh-system which seems to be westcoast offense:
162 288 2575 56.3 8.94 63 13 4 6 143.47
not much better than luck so far...so i could say here that luck has also struggled at the beggining of his pro-style career in college.

[ Edited by communist on Oct 11, 2010 at 09:57:10 ]

Oct 11, 2010 at 9:56 AM

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Originally posted by communist:
Originally posted by Kolohe:

Where did I say he didn't??? IMO, it just seems Locker relies more on his athleticism more than trying to sit there and read a defense or go through his reads. People can sit there all they want and tell me hes a good pocket passer, but I'm not the only one that sees when dropping back and his first or second read isn't there hes off and running.
if u see coming pressure right in the front of your face, u would start running, too.

But that's the problem he doesn't always run when there is pressure, he runs when there isn't pressure and the play hasn't even developed yet. Tim Tebow'ish.

But I can't speak for everyone but my order of priority at the QB position would be:

1. Andrew Luck
2. Ryan Mallet
3. Ricky Stanzi
4. Jake Locker
5. Christian Ponder
6. Pat Devlin