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Originally posted by Draftology:
Every team except the Bears and the Panthers past on him at least once. The Panthers had to take him because they have no one at quarterback (Matt Moore is a no one). I know many of you will say 'you watch. he'll be the best quarterback in this draft.' Well the NFL scouts and GM's who get payed to evaluate players disagree with you. In fact, Clausen was the 3rd quarterback taken, behing TIM TEBOW, who had to completely change his throwing motion to even be considered a quarterback prospect. Many teams with quarterback needs, like the 49ers and the Seahawks, passed on him twice. Point is Clausen sucks and we all should be thankful he is not a 49er.


Tom Brady. That is all.
I wouldn't call myself a "Clausen fan," but I wouldn't have minded if we took him. Now, let's get to your sorry attempt at explaining why you think you were right about him, shall we?

Originally posted by Draftology:
Every team except the Bears and the Panthers past on him at least once.

Every team passed on Tom Brady about 5 times, some 6. Every team passed on Joe Montana at least twice, some passed 3 and 4 times. What's your point?

Teams passed on him because they either didn't want to draft a QB or because of his attitude and some off-the-field issues they had with his character. That has nothing to do with his ability.

GET OVER IT. He'll end up being better than anything we have (except maybe Nate Davis, if they ever let the guy play).

Originally posted by Draftology:
I know many of you will say 'you watch. he'll be the best quarterback in this draft.' Well the NFL scouts and GM's who get payed to evaluate players disagree with you.

They also didn't think Montana and Brady would be the best in their respective drafts, did they?

These guys make mistakes. Our own GM and scouts f*cked up and apparently decided Brady wasn't better than Giovanni Carmazzi. IT HAPPENS. Sometimes teams decide they have bigger needs elsewhere and decide not to go with a QB. A lot of teams don't even have a NEED for a QB.

Originally posted by Draftology:
In fact, Clausen was the 3rd quarterback taken, behing TIM TEBOW, who had to completely change his throwing motion to even be considered a quarterback prospect.

And Crabtree was the second WR taken last year, behind DARRIUS HEYWARD-BEY, who can't catch a pass to save his life even when it hits him in the damn chest! Again, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? The Broncos made a huge mistake. IT HAPPENS.

Originally posted by Draftology:
Many teams with quarterback needs, like the 49ers and the Seahawks, passed on him twice.

Many teams with "quarterback needs," like the 49ers and Seahawks, HAD OTHER VOIDS THAT NEEDED TO BE FILLED. All offseason we've had the "we need linemen" discussions forced down our throats. Now, we finally get the linemen we've been whining about all year, and you turn around and use that as ammo to diss a player of a different position because we didn't take him? Come on.

Originally posted by Draftology:
Point is Clausen sucks and we all should be thankful he is not a 49er.

Where's the evidence that he sucks? Let's see it. That "all teams except so-and-so passed on him at least once" statement is a LAME argument. Most people had him ranked as the 2nd best QB and the most NFL-ready, also a top-10 overall player. Just because he slid doesn't mean he sucks.

You should seriously consider changing your name, because you don't seem to know anything about the NFL draft.
Originally posted by Draftology:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Does this mean that any QB that was passed over in round 1 and not selected until later in the draft sucks? I guess Joe Montana sucked because he was only a 3rd round pick or Tom Brady REALLY sucked because he was a 6th rounder.

There are only so many teams that had huge needs at QB that would have made sense to draft Claussen. So, the playing field is very limited. Yes, teams were weary of his attitude but that hardly means he sucks as a player. Personally, I think he will have a successful career and that Carolina was lucky to get him in rd 2. I am hardly a Claussen fan but to say he "sucks" because he wasnt drafted in rd 1 is just silly.
Brady and Montana had INTANGIBLES. Based on Clausen's physical tools, he should be a first round pick, but he has bad intangibles. People say the immaturity issues were overblown, but even in the 5 minute segment on ESPN with Gruden, Clausen found time to throw his receiver under the bus. Yes, that is one very small issue, but there have been tons of other unconfirmed reports, but Rothlesburger's issues have been unconfirmed as well and he's suspended for 6 games.

Gotta love it when people pull sh*t out of their asses to try to make it seem like they know what they're talking about.

Show me some video evidence proving he lacks these INTANGIBLES. I mean, after all, you MUST have some evidence, right? Let's see it. Apparently all those people that get paid to talk about these players on TV don't have anything on you. Why don't you work for them? I mean, you see things they don't, so you should have their jobs. As a matter of fact, since you seem to think these GMs agree with YOU, why aren't you an NFL GM? Apparently you're as good of a talent evaluator as every GM with the exception of two.

I've watched the guy play. He is not lacking in these INTANGIBLES. You just said that because it's an easy, cop-out, generic response in an attempt to make it seem as though you know more than you do. Clausen lacks intangibles like JaMarcus Russell lacks arm strength, or like Tom Brady lacks accuracy, or like Peyton Manning lacks vision and Joe Montana lacked leadership skills.

[ Edited by 49erRider on Apr 26, 2010 at 17:50:23 ]
Originally posted by valrod33:



I am suspicious of any QB wearing a speedo or looking like a wierdo. I am glad we passed on him.
Originally posted by 49erRider:
I wouldn't call myself a "Clausen fan," but I wouldn't have minded if we took him. Now, let's get to your sorry attempt at explaining why you think you were right about him, shall we?

Originally posted by Draftology:
Every team except the Bears and the Panthers past on him at least once.

Every team passed on Tom Brady about 5 times, some 6. Every team passed on Joe Montana at least twice, some passed 3 and 4 times. What's your point?

Teams passed on him because they either didn't want to draft a QB or because of his attitude and some off-the-field issues they had with his character. That has nothing to do with his ability.

GET OVER IT. He'll end up being better than anything we have (except maybe Nate Davis, if they ever let the guy play).

Originally posted by Draftology:
I know many of you will say 'you watch. he'll be the best quarterback in this draft.' Well the NFL scouts and GM's who get payed to evaluate players disagree with you.

They also didn't think Montana and Brady would be the best in their respective drafts, did they?

These guys make mistakes. Our own GM and scouts f*cked up and apparently decided Brady wasn't better than Giovanni Carmazzi. IT HAPPENS. Sometimes teams decide they have bigger needs elsewhere and decide not to go with a QB. A lot of teams don't even have a NEED for a QB.

Originally posted by Draftology:
In fact, Clausen was the 3rd quarterback taken, behing TIM TEBOW, who had to completely change his throwing motion to even be considered a quarterback prospect.

And Crabtree was the second WR taken last year, behind DARRIUS HEYWARD-BEY, who can't catch a pass to save his life even when it hits him in the damn chest! Again, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? The Broncos made a huge mistake. IT HAPPENS.

Originally posted by Draftology:
Many teams with quarterback needs, like the 49ers and the Seahawks, passed on him twice.

Many teams with "quarterback needs," like the 49ers and Seahawks, HAD OTHER VOIDS THAT NEEDED TO BE FILLED. All offseason we've had the "we need linemen" discussions forced down our throats. Now, we finally get the linemen we've been whining about all year, and you turn around and use that as ammo to diss a player of a different position because we didn't take him? Come on.

Originally posted by Draftology:
Point is Clausen sucks and we all should be thankful he is not a 49er.

Where's the evidence that he sucks? Let's see it. That "all teams except so-and-so passed on him at least once" statement is a LAME argument. Most people had him ranked as the 2nd best QB and the most NFL-ready, also a top-10 overall player. Just because he slid doesn't mean he sucks.

You should seriously consider changing your name, because you don't seem to know anything about the NFL draft.
You keep bringing up Montana and Brady and I've agreed that NFL scouts have made mistakes before but do you think that you know more than they do? Have you broken down his tape? Or are you just a fan that has seen him play a few times and thought he looked good? Jason White won a Heisman and didn't get drafted. I hate Clausen for his cocky, smug personality, the stories I've heard about him showing up to Notre Dame in a limo, and I'm just generally unimpressed with what I've seen. But, if he got picked in the top 5, I wouldn't say I'm right even though the team that picked him probably has watched every snap he took since high school. Why aren't you an NFL GM dude?
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by Draftology:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Does this mean that any QB that was passed over in round 1 and not selected until later in the draft sucks? I guess Joe Montana sucked because he was only a 3rd round pick or Tom Brady REALLY sucked because he was a 6th rounder.

There are only so many teams that had huge needs at QB that would have made sense to draft Claussen. So, the playing field is very limited. Yes, teams were weary of his attitude but that hardly means he sucks as a player. Personally, I think he will have a successful career and that Carolina was lucky to get him in rd 2. I am hardly a Claussen fan but to say he "sucks" because he wasnt drafted in rd 1 is just silly.
Brady and Montana had INTANGIBLES. Based on Clausen's physical tools, he should be a first round pick, but he has bad intangibles. People say the immaturity issues were overblown, but even in the 5 minute segment on ESPN with Gruden, Clausen found time to throw his receiver under the bus. Yes, that is one very small issue, but there have been tons of other unconfirmed reports, but Rothlesburger's issues have been unconfirmed as well and he's suspended for 6 games.

Gotta love it when people pull sh*t out of their asses to try to make it seem like they know what they're talking about.

Show me some video evidence proving he lacks these INTANGIBLES. I mean, after all, you MUST have some evidence, right? Let's see it. Apparently all those people that get paid to talk about these players on TV don't have anything on you. Why don't you work for them? I mean, you see things they don't, so you should have their jobs. As a matter of fact, since you seem to think these GMs agree with YOU, why aren't you an NFL GM? Apparently you're as good of a talent evaluator as every GM with the exception of two.

I've watched the guy play. He is not lacking in these INTANGIBLES. You just said that because it's an easy, cop-out, generic response in an attempt to make it seem as though you know more than you do. Clausen lacks intangibles like JaMarcus Russell lacks arm strength, or like Tom Brady lacks accuracy, or like Peyton Manning lacks vision and Joe Montana lacked leadership skills.
I'm not a GM because I admit they know waaaaaaay more about this stuff than I do. You are the one saying he's better than the GM's think he is. Todd McShay and Mel Kiper, two guys who make a living off the draft, admit that these NFL execs know more than them. I just don't know how some people can't admit that.
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by Draftology:
Every team except the Bears and the Panthers past on him at least once. The Panthers had to take him because they have no one at quarterback (Matt Moore is a no one). I know many of you will say 'you watch. he'll be the best quarterback in this draft.' Well the NFL scouts and GM's who get payed to evaluate players disagree with you. In fact, Clausen was the 3rd quarterback taken, behing TIM TEBOW, who had to completely change his throwing motion to even be considered a quarterback prospect. Many teams with quarterback needs, like the 49ers and the Seahawks, passed on him twice. Point is Clausen sucks and we all should be thankful he is not a 49er.

I"M BEYOND THANKFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for this post! f**k his f****t ass! He will suck!

He will throw at least 3 picks when we play them & i will be the guy behind the niners bench with the clausen is a f****t sign!!!! go suck some cock jimmy!!!
Couldn't have said it better myself
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Originally posted by Draftology:
Originally posted by 49erRider:
I wouldn't call myself a "Clausen fan," but I wouldn't have minded if we took him. Now, let's get to your sorry attempt at explaining why you think you were right about him, shall we?

Originally posted by Draftology:
Every team except the Bears and the Panthers past on him at least once.

Every team passed on Tom Brady about 5 times, some 6. Every team passed on Joe Montana at least twice, some passed 3 and 4 times. What's your point?

Teams passed on him because they either didn't want to draft a QB or because of his attitude and some off-the-field issues they had with his character. That has nothing to do with his ability.

GET OVER IT. He'll end up being better than anything we have (except maybe Nate Davis, if they ever let the guy play).

Originally posted by Draftology:
I know many of you will say 'you watch. he'll be the best quarterback in this draft.' Well the NFL scouts and GM's who get payed to evaluate players disagree with you.

They also didn't think Montana and Brady would be the best in their respective drafts, did they?

These guys make mistakes. Our own GM and scouts f*cked up and apparently decided Brady wasn't better than Giovanni Carmazzi. IT HAPPENS. Sometimes teams decide they have bigger needs elsewhere and decide not to go with a QB. A lot of teams don't even have a NEED for a QB.

Originally posted by Draftology:
In fact, Clausen was the 3rd quarterback taken, behing TIM TEBOW, who had to completely change his throwing motion to even be considered a quarterback prospect.

And Crabtree was the second WR taken last year, behind DARRIUS HEYWARD-BEY, who can't catch a pass to save his life even when it hits him in the damn chest! Again, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? The Broncos made a huge mistake. IT HAPPENS.

Originally posted by Draftology:
Many teams with quarterback needs, like the 49ers and the Seahawks, passed on him twice.

Many teams with "quarterback needs," like the 49ers and Seahawks, HAD OTHER VOIDS THAT NEEDED TO BE FILLED. All offseason we've had the "we need linemen" discussions forced down our throats. Now, we finally get the linemen we've been whining about all year, and you turn around and use that as ammo to diss a player of a different position because we didn't take him? Come on.

Originally posted by Draftology:
Point is Clausen sucks and we all should be thankful he is not a 49er.

Where's the evidence that he sucks? Let's see it. That "all teams except so-and-so passed on him at least once" statement is a LAME argument. Most people had him ranked as the 2nd best QB and the most NFL-ready, also a top-10 overall player. Just because he slid doesn't mean he sucks.

You should seriously consider changing your name, because you don't seem to know anything about the NFL draft.
You keep bringing up Montana and Brady and I've agreed that NFL scouts have made mistakes before but do you think that you know more than they do? Have you broken down his tape? Or are you just a fan that has seen him play a few times and thought he looked good? Jason White won a Heisman and didn't get drafted. I hate Clausen for his cocky, smug personality, the stories I've heard about him showing up to Notre Dame in a limo, and I'm just generally unimpressed with what I've seen. But, if he got picked in the top 5, I wouldn't say I'm right even though the team that picked him probably has watched every snap he took since high school. Why aren't you an NFL GM dude?

He's not saying Clausen will be good, he's saying you're a moron for jumping the gun and deciding what his career is going to be like before he has even taking a snap in the NFL. How about you wait and give this guy a chance before you close the book on him?
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Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Draftology:
Every team except the Bears and the Panthers past on him at least once. The Panthers had to take him because they have no one at quarterback (Matt Moore is a no one). I know many of you will say 'you watch. he'll be the best quarterback in this draft.' Well the NFL scouts and GM's who get payed to evaluate players disagree with you. In fact, Clausen was the 3rd quarterback taken, behing TIM TEBOW, who had to completely change his throwing motion to even be considered a quarterback prospect. Many teams with quarterback needs, like the 49ers and the Seahawks, passed on him twice. Point is Clausen sucks and we all should be thankful he is not a 49er.

lol not only did everyone pass on him, but when Carolina took him, they went and took Pike right after
.

Right after ? Or with a comp pick in the 6th round, which likely means BPA on their draft board.

Teams seemingly were drafting for need, thus why Clausen fell. Buffalo drafted a QB in the 7th round, Oakland filled their need via trade. Doesn't mean a whole lot, and doesn't mean he won't be a successful QB in this league. As others have pointed out Tom Brady and Tom Brady were not 1st round picks and they both have had HOF careers. In hindsight I bet a lot of teams would have taken Aaron Rodgers could they do 2005 all over again. Players drop, it happens.

Joe Montana and Steve Young both had great things to say about Clausen, as did Jon Gruden who even said he would love to be able to coach JC.

FWIW Jason LaCanfora reported that we would have taken Clausen at 49.

So point is, passing over a player, even doing so more than once does not mean he sucks or that he will never be successful as a pro. In Clausen's case he is better off in Carolina than with any other team, he landed in the greatest situation he could have.

the point is, they took Clausen AND Pike in the same draft. alot of people ranked both Clausen and Pike in the top 4 QB this year. what does it say about their confidence in Clausen if they take another QB in the same draft?
Originally posted by Draftology:
Every team except the Bears and the Panthers past on him at least once. The Panthers had to take him because they have no one at quarterback (Matt Moore is a no one). I know many of you will say 'you watch. he'll be the best quarterback in this draft.' Well the NFL scouts and GM's who get payed to evaluate players disagree with you. In fact, Clausen was the 3rd quarterback taken, behing TIM TEBOW, who had to completely change his throwing motion to even be considered a quarterback prospect. Many teams with quarterback needs, like the 49ers and the Seahawks, passed on him twice. Point is Clausen sucks and we all should be thankful he is not a 49er.

You can make that argument with anyone not taken in the 1st round.

Look at Taylor Mays. The guy has talent that projected him as a top 5 pick and then when he comes out his college coach passes on him twice.
Originally posted by Crazy4Niners:






and got schooled by a freshman
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Draftology:
Every team except the Bears and the Panthers past on him at least once. The Panthers had to take him because they have no one at quarterback (Matt Moore is a no one). I know many of you will say 'you watch. he'll be the best quarterback in this draft.' Well the NFL scouts and GM's who get payed to evaluate players disagree with you. In fact, Clausen was the 3rd quarterback taken, behing TIM TEBOW, who had to completely change his throwing motion to even be considered a quarterback prospect. Many teams with quarterback needs, like the 49ers and the Seahawks, passed on him twice. Point is Clausen sucks and we all should be thankful he is not a 49er.

lol not only did everyone pass on him, but when Carolina took him, they went and took Pike right after
.

Right after ? Or with a comp pick in the 6th round, which likely means BPA on their draft board.

Teams seemingly were drafting for need, thus why Clausen fell. Buffalo drafted a QB in the 7th round, Oakland filled their need via trade. Doesn't mean a whole lot, and doesn't mean he won't be a successful QB in this league. As others have pointed out Tom Brady and Tom Brady were not 1st round picks and they both have had HOF careers. In hindsight I bet a lot of teams would have taken Aaron Rodgers could they do 2005 all over again. Players drop, it happens.

Joe Montana and Steve Young both had great things to say about Clausen, as did Jon Gruden who even said he would love to be able to coach JC.

FWIW Jason LaCanfora reported that we would have taken Clausen at 49.

So point is, passing over a player, even doing so more than once does not mean he sucks or that he will never be successful as a pro. In Clausen's case he is better off in Carolina than with any other team, he landed in the greatest situation he could have.

the point is, they took Clausen AND Pike in the same draft. alot of people ranked both Clausen and Pike in the top 4 QB this year. what does it say about their confidence in Clausen if they take another QB in the same draft?

It doesn't say a thing.

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Even though the Panthers already had a rookie quarterback and a quiver filled with young passers, Pike was too highly rated on their draft board for them to ignore with their final sixth-round selection.

"To draft well, you have to train yourself to go by the board, and if there's separation, you take the best player, and it's worked for us," Hurney said. "It makes it harder at the quarterback position.


"Matt and Hunter, we can't say strongly enough how we feel about those two guys. It had nothing to do with them. We just got into a draft that surprisingly, in the second and sixth rounds, the board just dictated, 'This is the pick; this is the best player to take.' ... There was a signficant gap."

It was not hard to understand why; he directed Cincinnati to its two best seasons in school annals, throwing for 48 touchdowns against 17 interceptions in the last two seasons, both of which ended in Big East championships and BCS bowl bids. Pike was remarkably consistent last year; he never passed for fewer than two touchdowns in any of his 10 starts.

"We thought he was too good a value," Hurney said. "It's hard when you talk about the quarterback position, because it's just a different spot. We think extremely highly of Matt Moore and Hunter Cantwell; we just had two guys in spots (Clausen and Pike) that we didn't think were going to be there and were the best players on the board, so we took them."

Added Fox: "I'm a firm believer that competition at positions brings out the best in guys. We've got that going on."
Originally posted by wailers15:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Draftology:
Every team except the Bears and the Panthers past on him at least once. The Panthers had to take him because they have no one at quarterback (Matt Moore is a no one). I know many of you will say 'you watch. he'll be the best quarterback in this draft.' Well the NFL scouts and GM's who get payed to evaluate players disagree with you. In fact, Clausen was the 3rd quarterback taken, behing TIM TEBOW, who had to completely change his throwing motion to even be considered a quarterback prospect. Many teams with quarterback needs, like the 49ers and the Seahawks, passed on him twice. Point is Clausen sucks and we all should be thankful he is not a 49er.

lol not only did everyone pass on him, but when Carolina took him, they went and took Pike right after
.

Right after ? Or with a comp pick in the 6th round, which likely means BPA on their draft board.

Teams seemingly were drafting for need, thus why Clausen fell. Buffalo drafted a QB in the 7th round, Oakland filled their need via trade. Doesn't mean a whole lot, and doesn't mean he won't be a successful QB in this league. As others have pointed out Tom Brady and Tom Brady were not 1st round picks and they both have had HOF careers. In hindsight I bet a lot of teams would have taken Aaron Rodgers could they do 2005 all over again. Players drop, it happens.

Joe Montana and Steve Young both had great things to say about Clausen, as did Jon Gruden who even said he would love to be able to coach JC.

FWIW Jason LaCanfora reported that we would have taken Clausen at 49.

So point is, passing over a player, even doing so more than once does not mean he sucks or that he will never be successful as a pro. In Clausen's case he is better off in Carolina than with any other team, he landed in the greatest situation he could have.

No f**king way my friend!

You have something to support that we wouldn't have ?
Tahnk God we did not pick Clausen.