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Did I miss something? When did Mel Kiper Jr. become qualified to be an authority?
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Did I miss something? When did Mel Kiper Jr. become qualified to be an authority?
kiper isnt mcshay...
Grade could be higher as our top four picks were projected by at least two "expert" magazines as first round quality. Bowman slipped due to height and off field issues but he may remind Singletary of himself.

Mays and Willis? Who wants to catch over the middle against that pair? And our Oline should be much improved! Good draft, if not great!
Originally posted by foreign49er:
Solid Grade. We do still lack a real play-making cover safety and do still need some depth at corner along with a change of pace back. It was a good draft, not a great one but a good one. It has a chance to be a great one or a colossal flop, it all depends on the coaching.

Agree
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Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
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San Francisco 49ers
Summary: Give San Francisco credit. Early on in the draft it had a chance to get better in a couple of places and decided to get a lot better in one. But consider the trickle-down effect: By taking Anthony Davis, the left tackle with the highest upside in the draft -- emphasis on "upside" -- and then a lock to be a good NFL guard in Mike Iupati, the Niners are a better running team right now. The passing game suddenly seems better as well. Taylor Mays at No. 49 is a good value selection, and the kid will be motivated, but I think we're past pretending he was a steal because of his size-speed combination. His tape fell really flat. Navorro Bowman has size questions, but he's better than No. 91 overall.
Draft grade: B

Seattle got an A by the way, Arizona B+ and STL C+


I understand the Seattle lovefest, but how does Arizona get rated higher than us?


Must've been the Day 3 picks since we didn't have that many

How doesn't AZ get a B+ ? Best NT prospect in this class, a great ILB prospect to develop as Dansby's replacement, a good WR prospect to battle for the 3rd/4th spot, a good DE/OLB prospect, and a great QB prospect to develop over the next couple years.
Originally posted by AC49er:
I dont care what all these "experts" say cant truly evaluate a draft class at least for 3 years

This.
Originally posted by LA_NINERS:
Kiper is spot on.

I don't know how you think this draft deserved higher than a B.

Kiper is spot on???? LOL he gave us a B because deep down inside he still thinks we shouldve drafted clausen. Kiper can go f**k himself.

Easily an A WHy:

We addressed our most major need & that was o-line! Our offensive Line was crap last year. A legit move. Mays has so much potential & is a damn good worker, so he came to the right team. he wont start rgith away but if any team can get his potential out it will be us. U don't think Ronnie Lott will help out too?
Bowman!!! A home run. Next year it will be the Willis & Bowman show. HE will learn behind Spike then damnit he will be a a stud.

That's all that matters there. YEs the RB we selected has a lot of mileage for a CFB but he has potential.
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Originally posted by LA_NINERS:
Kiper is spot on.

I don't know how you think this draft deserved higher than a B.

I know how. If you look at it from the perspective of which teams draft is likely going to have the biggest immediate impact to their team, the niners would rank above the others. To put it simply, the performance of our line was devastating to our team as a whole last year...it killed us in all three phases of the game. (Think of all the short yardage failure's, the third down sacks, the three and outs). If the line improves from these picks, this team becomes an entirely different animal to deal with on Sunday...it changes the game day dynamics immensely, on both sides of the ball and ST too...a night and day difference.

Seattle had a great draft, but in the immediate future it's not going to effect the outcome on Sunday's nearly as much as ours will. They still have more problems and more limitations than they don't. The team needs a few more years of drafts like it had this weekend...a LT, Safety, and some RB's are a good beginning, but they are not going to be rescuing that team in the near future...it's not nearly enough to fix what ails them...they couldn't do anything good last year, they may be able to do some things better this year, but they are still going to be doing a lot more of no good s**t until they acquire a lot more talent.

The above holds true with regards to the Lambs as well.

Zona, remains to be seen. They lost a good chunk of key talent this year, and the question will be if they can "skin the cat" a different way than what they were doing, because that is what they are going to have to do in order to maximize what they have. They aren't going to be able to go business as usual because the talent they lost was key talent. They will have to tweak some s**t to find what works best for them with their new "key" player's. Did the draft replace the talent level that was lost? No, it did not...they are different animal in one form or another now and so it remains to be seen if the can still be as productive as they were, with that different animal they have become today.

Just one way to look at it all, right or wrong.
If Kiper (and others) have the right to "rate/grade" a teams draft picks, don't we as fans have the right to grade their performances during the draft?

Kiper: Whiney when his boyfriend Clausen didn't get drafted until late. Arrogant and Ignorant.......F

McShay: Probably will get better after he reaches puberty.....C-

Steve Young: Didn't do his homework and it showed. Love the guy, but was out of his element.......D

Boomer: Always good for a laugh.......B+

Deion: Deadbeat loser who jeopardizes NFL prospects......Fail Minus

Mayock: No voice come Saturday, but I think he's a good prognosticator.....B

(feel free to add on to other draft experts that covered the event for ESPN or NFL Network).
Originally posted by FnkyPhantom:
If Kiper (and others) have the right to "rate/grade" a teams draft picks, don't we as fans have the right to grade their performances during the draft?

Kiper: Whiney when his boyfriend Clausen didn't get drafted until late. Arrogant and Ignorant.......F

McShay: Probably will get better after he reaches puberty.....C-

Steve Young: Didn't do his homework and it showed. Love the guy, but was out of his element.......D

Boomer: Always good for a laugh.......B+

Deion: Deadbeat loser who jeopardizes NFL prospects......Fail Minus

Mayock: No voice come Saturday, but I think he's a good prognosticator.....B

(feel free to add on to other draft experts that covered the event for ESPN or NFL Network).

Rich Eisen: Funny as usual and did will moderating for 3 days.... A-

Corey Chavous: Still getting used to him as analyst, but he did a good job for a 1st draft and shows strong upside. However, he did say that the guy that Blount punched deserved it, so he gets a lower grade... B-

Michael Irvin: Just can't take the guy seriously... he was almost as bad as Steve Young on ESPN.... D

Mack Brown: It did a decent job on day 3 evaluating some of the more obscure picks.... C

Marshall Faulk: I enjoyed his commentary while he was actually there... B

Jamie Dukes: Always opinionated... however sometimes his opinions aren't that great... C+

Jim Mora Jr.: Came off as a bitter ex-coach the whole time... D-

Charlie Casserly: Always fun to watch him talk.. He had a lot of good things to say... A-
I think what has been overlooked is picking up a 4th in next years draft too. That could be used to fill a need before the trade deadline and those 4th and 5th round picks seems to be a hot commodity right now.
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Quote:
San Francisco 49ers
Summary: Give San Francisco credit. Early on in the draft it had a chance to get better in a couple of places and decided to get a lot better in one. But consider the trickle-down effect: By taking Anthony Davis, the left tackle with the highest upside in the draft -- emphasis on "upside" -- and then a lock to be a good NFL guard in Mike Iupati, the Niners are a better running team right now. The passing game suddenly seems better as well. Taylor Mays at No. 49 is a good value selection, and the kid will be motivated, but I think we're past pretending he was a steal because of his size-speed combination. His tape fell really flat. Navorro Bowman has size questions, but he's better than No. 91 overall.
Draft grade: B

Seattle got an A by the way, Arizona B+ and STL C+


I understand the Seattle lovefest, but how does Arizona get rated higher than us?


Must've been the Day 3 picks since we didn't have that many

How doesn't AZ get a B+ ? Best NT prospect in this class, a great ILB prospect to develop as Dansby's replacement, a good WR prospect to battle for the 3rd/4th spot, a good DE/OLB prospect, and a great QB prospect to develop over the next couple years.

Here's my counter: Great OT prospect, best OG prospect, Great Safety prospect, Great ILB prospect, trade for a good return man in Ted Ginn, great value RB prospects, best NCAA returner.
Herm Edwards said he thought the Niners did better than the other teams because they got big, tough, physical players that Singletary wanted...to be able execute the way he wants. But, really, all this grade stuff doesn't mean much...it's how these new players are integrated into their teams and how well they're coached up to contribute. I'm particularly stoked about AD and Iupati, not only because of their skills, but the fact they'll be coached by Solari and Ray Brown. I think Niner fans will be happy with their ability to coach-up not just the youngsters, but the entire OL. As a group, they know they under-achieved last season, and are determined to erase that notion around the league. Add AD and Iupati and we now have a group that truly has the ability to dominate the LOS...it's Solari's and Brown's challenge to get them ready to do just that.
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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Herm Edwards said he thought the Niners did better than the other teams because they got big, tough, physical players that Singletary wanted...to be able execute the way he wants. But, really, all this grade stuff doesn't mean much...it's how these new players are integrated into their teams and how well they're coached up to contribute. I'm particularly stoked about AD and Iupati, not only because of their skills, but the fact they'll be coached by Solari and Ray Brown. I think Niner fans will be happy with their ability to coach-up not just the youngsters, but the entire OL. As a group, they know they under-achieved last season, and are determined to erase that notion around the league. Add AD and Iupati and we now have a group that truly has the ability to dominate the LOS...it's Solari's and Brown's challenge to get them ready to do just that.

Looking forward to hearing those pads cracking at the LOS on game day. They should be able to make one hell of a CRACK!!!!!! Yeah baby!!!!!!
I think our draft rides on how Mays turns out.