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MadDog's 49ers Draft Board- Stacking the Board

Originally posted by jta854:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jta854:
Hey MadDog, what is your specific reason for having Jason Pierre-Paul so low? I can think of two reasons he would be that low, 1) he only played one season, 2) He may be better in a 4-3. Did you have a different reason in mind, or was it a combination of a couple of reasons?

I think he would be great as a 3-4 OLB, but he has so little film I would drop his value, I just think that would put his value at ~13.

Very inexperienced, and dumb as a brick. Maybe the least intelligent player in the draft. I want our OLB's to be sharp.

Wow. I hadn't heard that. Is that coming form his wonderlic score, or rumors about his interviews?

Talk before and after the combine. Some speculated his Wonderlic would be microscopic. Not sure on the final numbers, but some scouts are worried that the complexities of an NFL defense would be too much for him as a 3-4 OLB.
Originally posted by nannite:
Heres the situation you seem to be describing:
There will be huge run on OTs and this will cause multiple top-10 talents from other positions to fall to both our 13 and 17 pick. However we will definitely take a OT, which means we will take a late-first/2nd round talent over a top 10 talent, because of need.

I know the need for an OT has been something reiterated ad nauseum on this board (and any mock without one has been laughed out of existence), but would people really be ok with that big of a drop off in talent at our 17th pick?

Would you take Campbell or Scaffold over Graham, Bryant or Iupati(G)?

Campbell or Saffold over Graham, Bryant, Iupati? No, no, and no. BUT....maybe you trade back into the late first to pick up that tackle.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
As always MD

Surprised you have Spiller that high, I love the kid but I didn't think you thought that highly of him. Aside from Okung who is your favorite option for us at RT and are you still skeptical of A Davis? Surprised you are that high on Dex!! Do you think there is any chance that we wait for an OT till the 2nd. Having a Spiller/Haden/Graham possible combo in the 1st would be nasty. I just don't think we would risk passing on a much needed OT this year, especially with 2 1st rounders.

However, none of the OT's are going to be on the board. I see the order shaking down like this:
Williams at 4
Okung at 5
Davis at 6
Campbell at 8
Bulaga at 9

So, either the Niners select Brown at 13, or hope that the Giants pass. I doubt we wait to the second round for an OT. Simply dealing with leftovers at this point, or jumbo-sized guys who will try to transition to RT (Ducasse, Jerry). And, these guys might be gone anyways. Saffold will be gone by the mid-20's. OT inflation.



You really expect that....like seriously? If that does happen why burn a pick on Brown at 13, I see that has bad value if Spiller or Haden is there. Why not take Spiller at 13 then take the OT at 17, I don't see NY going after an OT if McClain is still there.

A don't see the Niners selecting Brown at 13 if Spiller or Haden is on the board.

McClain is the favorite at 15, but the Giants may feel there is better value with Iupati and another MLB in the second. I wouldn't count out the Giants selecting D. Williams. They like the big uglies. The Giants may not be completely sold on Beatty to be their LT.
Originally posted by jreff22:
MD we just got Ginn....is Spiller still a real possibility? (I think so)

Sure. Let's face it. Our team usually employs a 2-TE set, so the number 3 WR is not as big an element as a backup for Gore. And, we have a ton of guys adequate for the job now: Ginn, Hill, Jones.

On the flip side, who is the guy to spell Gore, or replace him when he is out? I strongly disliked the Coffee pick last year (guess my opinion after one year?), and Spiller can do something nobody else this side of Ginn (and occassionally Gore) can do: take the ball a long distance to the end zone. Spiller is the most explosive player in the draft, and that is never a bad thing for a team.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
MD we just got Ginn....is Spiller still a real possibility? (I think so)

Sure. Let's face it. Our team usually employs a 2-TE set, so the number 3 WR is not as big an element as a backup for Gore. And, we have a ton of guys adequate for the job now: Ginn, Hill, Jones.

On the flip side, who is the guy to spell Gore, or replace him when he is out? I strongly disliked the Coffee pick last year (guess my opinion after one year?), and Spiller can do something nobody else this side of Ginn (and occassionally Gore) can do: take the ball a long distance to the end zone. Spiller is the most explosive player in the draft, and that is never a bad thing for a team.



I can now sleep tonight!!
Originally posted by GORO:
With Ginn on the team, I see him as the Kick Off Return Specialist. But the Niners are still in need of someone that returns punts.
What do you think MAD DOG

Ginn can return punts, but the team used him as a starting WR for most of the year. So, they kind of sheltered him from PR duties.
Originally posted by Butter:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
As always MD

Surprised you have Spiller that high, I love the kid but I didn't think you thought that highly of him. Aside from Okung who is your favorite option for us at RT and are you still skeptical of A Davis? Surprised you are that high on Dex!! Do you think there is any chance that we wait for an OT till the 2nd. Having a Spiller/Haden/Graham possible combo in the 1st would be nasty. I just don't think we would risk passing on a much needed OT this year, especially with 2 1st rounders.

I'd move Staley to RT if Okung was drafted. But, with the other guys, I see strengths and weakness of each. Most are probably best suited for RT. Both Davis and Williams would be a tremendous upgrade. I'd rate them highest at RT, Williams over Davis (less bust potential, even though Davis may have a better upside).

However, none of the OT's are going to be on the board. I see the order shaking down like this:
Williams at 4
Okung at 5
Davis at 6
Campbell at 8
Bulaga at 9

So, either the Niners select Brown at 13, or hope that the Giants pass. I doubt we wait to the second round for an OT. Simply dealing with leftovers at this point, or jumbo-sized guys who will try to transition to RT (Ducasse, Jerry). And, these guys might be gone anyways. Saffold will be gone by the mid-20's. OT inflation.

Spiller and Bryant are explosive players, and the NFL is moving that direction. Plodding down the field is not a winning formula right now. And, the Niners need somebody who is a threat to score every time he touches the ball. Spiller is that type of player.

Bryant runs the field like T.O., very angry. And, I like that rage. He's going to run over a LOT of DB's in the NFL.

Saffold is a guy that really intrigues me. This team really needs a RT who can be an upgrade to Snyder. I know that many people like Brown and Campbells upside, but when it comes to going head to head and winning that battle in the trenches, Saffold just seems like a better option to me.

Ideally, I'd love to see the Niners trade down a little from 17 and grab Saffold in the high 20's.

One thing that I always look for in a college prospect is their ability to raise their game in the offseason. And, Saffold has been one of the biggest movers this offseason. He has been solid throughout, and I'd have no problem at all at RT. Experience, and playing at a high level this offseason. Smart guy, too.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Nice work, Mad Dog. Couple of questions for you:

What are your thoughts on Charles Brown? Under the radar, LT only, fit for a zone blocking scheme only, etc.

What are your thoughts about Devin McCourty? IMO he fits the Niners mold perfectly with his size, speed and special teams ability. But where does he fit value wise?

I think Brown is the odds-on favorite to be the pick at 17, unless the Giants grab himat 15, or the Seahawks take Berry at 6 and then Brown at 14.

Brown has gained some weight to be in the 300-305 pound range, and can probably still stack on ten more pounds. He'll never be a 325 jumbo-sized guy like Davis. Brown has a lot in common with Staley: former TE's, guys who added weight to get to 300 pounds before the draft, both players flying under the radar until the end, and a solid pass protector who needs to work on the running game. Strikingly similar.

Brown played in a pro-style set at USC, and appears more than nimble enough to play in a zone scheme, or in our hybrid-style system (I'm not sure what direction our team will head in blocking schemes this year). Probably best at LT, but there is enough there to think that RT is not going to be an issue.

I have been a big fan of McCourty for some time. He presents late first, early second round value. Great size/speed combo, sensational footwork, hustle. He can play on an island. Excellent special teamer (probably top 5 in the draft) who will play nickle this year, and then start next year when Clements is released.

If the Niners do not draft Haden, Thomas, Wilson in the first round, then I think they target Owusu-Ansah in the second, especially with his return ability. He is a brilliant return man.

MD, I believe you said Williams will be the first tackle selected. I would have said, "No" a few months ago, but in looking at the Redskins and doing a little deeper background on them, they do not feel they need another left tackle, and many fans say the Okung pick wouldn't make any sense.

I say take the BPA, but I can indeed see Washington selecting Williams regardless because of his athleticism and the belief that, even though they would play him at RT, he could be a better left tackle in the future anyways than Okung.

I understand the 49ers have in fact conducted some scouting at the Indiana-Pennsylvania university, and surely hope that what they've seen in Akwasi will push them to select him in the 2nd. I say the 2nd, because I see zero indications that he will come anywhere near our 3rd rounder, who I still believe we are targeting Ricky Sapp for if he makes it there.

What's up, brother?

The word seems to be building that the Skins like Williams better in their zone blocking scheme. I think KC would do backflips if this scenario played out.

Owusu-Ansah is a terrific target at number 49, although I think the Niners have Haden VERY high on their boards. The big question is whether someone will trade above the Niners to grab him. There are a ton of teams in that 18-24 range that might make a leapfrog over us.
Originally posted by bigtony2tone:
I can only hope that either Trent Williams or Bryan Bulaga are available come pick #13. It seems like Bulaga's stock is falling slightly, while Williams' is rising rather dramatically.

I see either as being immediate starters at RT. Bulaga is a technician, though he has limited upside. Williams has experience AND a lot of talent, though I believe his success (or lack thereof) at LT SHOULD lower his value.

In my perfect world scenario, the 9ers select Bulaga at 13 and Iupati at 17, thus solidifying the O-line for the next 5 years. I see both as being immediate starters.

This would give you 3 pretty solid backups along the line, all with great versatility. Baas can play either G spot as well as Center. Snyder has the ability to play all positions but C while Sims can handle both T spots.

Staley, Iupati, Heitmann, Rachal, and Bulaga with Sims, Baas, and Snyder would be a pretty damn good line. This would then allow a BPA approach throughout the rest of the draft.

Also, with Ginn's acquisition, it alleviate any potential feeling of panic over finding a return man in the draft. I still believe we select a guy with legit return skills. You can't rely on 1 return man over the course of an entire season.

There are a bunch of us on the board who would have absolutely no problem with two linemen selected in Round One. Our highest priority this year...is to develop Alex Smith. That is far more important than anything else, and it isn't close. What better way than to keep him upright with an upgrade in talent.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Nice work, Mad Dog. Couple of questions for you:

What are your thoughts on Charles Brown? Under the radar, LT only, fit for a zone blocking scheme only, etc.

What are your thoughts about Devin McCourty? IMO he fits the Niners mold perfectly with his size, speed and special teams ability. But where does he fit value wise?

I think Brown is the odds-on favorite to be the pick at 17, unless the Giants grab himat 15, or the Seahawks take Berry at 6 and then Brown at 14.

Brown has gained some weight to be in the 300-305 pound range, and can probably still stack on ten more pounds. He'll never be a 325 jumbo-sized guy like Davis. Brown has a lot in common with Staley: former TE's, guys who added weight to get to 300 pounds before the draft, both players flying under the radar until the end, and a solid pass protector who needs to work on the running game. Strikingly similar.

Brown played in a pro-style set at USC, and appears more than nimble enough to play in a zone scheme, or in our hybrid-style system (I'm not sure what direction our team will head in blocking schemes this year). Probably best at LT, but there is enough there to think that RT is not going to be an issue.

I have been a big fan of McCourty for some time. He presents late first, early second round value. Great size/speed combo, sensational footwork, hustle. He can play on an island. Excellent special teamer (probably top 5 in the draft) who will play nickle this year, and then start next year when Clements is released.

If the Niners do not draft Haden, Thomas, Wilson in the first round, then I think they target Owusu-Ansah in the second, especially with his return ability. He is a brilliant return man.

MD, I believe you said Williams will be the first tackle selected. I would have said, "No" a few months ago, but in looking at the Redskins and doing a little deeper background on them, they do not feel they need another left tackle, and many fans say the Okung pick wouldn't make any sense.

I say take the BPA, but I can indeed see Washington selecting Williams regardless because of his athleticism and the belief that, even though they would play him at RT, he could be a better left tackle in the future anyways than Okung.

I understand the 49ers have in fact conducted some scouting at the Indiana-Pennsylvania university, and surely hope that what they've seen in Akwasi will push them to select him in the 2nd. I say the 2nd, because I see zero indications that he will come anywhere near our 3rd rounder, who I still believe we are targeting Ricky Sapp for if he makes it there.

What's up, brother?

The word seems to be building that the Skins like Williams better in their zone blocking scheme. I think KC would do backflips if this scenario played out.

Owusu-Ansah is a terrific target at number 49, although I think the Niners have Haden VERY high on their boards. The big question is whether someone will trade above the Niners to grab him. There are a ton of teams in that 18-24 range that might make a leapfrog over us.

I don't think Haden is going to make it to us. I also do not believe Spiller is going to make it to us either.

I see Jacksonville and Miami as the potential landing spots for both players. If Seattle selects Berry, Cleveland will take Haden. I am curious as to what the 49ers think about Earl Thomas. I am not a fan of Thomas whatsoever, but I have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that they could take him with #17 in the right scenario.

If Buffalo selects a tackle, we could be choosing between Brown and Bulaga at #13. I believe we'd choose Brown, and the Seahawks would then take Bulaga.

My bewildered mind is swirling with thoughts of scenario after scenario.

My ideal 1st round would have us land a combination of OT, and OLB Brandon Graham. Somehow, I think the chances of the 49ers drafted Graham are quite low.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Butter:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
As always MD

Surprised you have Spiller that high, I love the kid but I didn't think you thought that highly of him. Aside from Okung who is your favorite option for us at RT and are you still skeptical of A Davis? Surprised you are that high on Dex!! Do you think there is any chance that we wait for an OT till the 2nd. Having a Spiller/Haden/Graham possible combo in the 1st would be nasty. I just don't think we would risk passing on a much needed OT this year, especially with 2 1st rounders.

I'd move Staley to RT if Okung was drafted. But, with the other guys, I see strengths and weakness of each. Most are probably best suited for RT. Both Davis and Williams would be a tremendous upgrade. I'd rate them highest at RT, Williams over Davis (less bust potential, even though Davis may have a better upside).

However, none of the OT's are going to be on the board. I see the order shaking down like this:
Williams at 4
Okung at 5
Davis at 6
Campbell at 8
Bulaga at 9

So, either the Niners select Brown at 13, or hope that the Giants pass. I doubt we wait to the second round for an OT. Simply dealing with leftovers at this point, or jumbo-sized guys who will try to transition to RT (Ducasse, Jerry). And, these guys might be gone anyways. Saffold will be gone by the mid-20's. OT inflation.

Spiller and Bryant are explosive players, and the NFL is moving that direction. Plodding down the field is not a winning formula right now. And, the Niners need somebody who is a threat to score every time he touches the ball. Spiller is that type of player.

Bryant runs the field like T.O., very angry. And, I like that rage. He's going to run over a LOT of DB's in the NFL.

Saffold is a guy that really intrigues me. This team really needs a RT who can be an upgrade to Snyder. I know that many people like Brown and Campbells upside, but when it comes to going head to head and winning that battle in the trenches, Saffold just seems like a better option to me.

Ideally, I'd love to see the Niners trade down a little from 17 and grab Saffold in the high 20's.

One thing that I always look for in a college prospect is their ability to raise their game in the offseason. And, Saffold has been one of the biggest movers this offseason. He has been solid throughout, and I'd have no problem at all at RT. Experience, and playing at a high level this offseason. Smart guy, too.

I really like Saffold, but ONLY if the Niners trade back. Personally, I think Saffold allows the Niners to gamble that Davis will fall to 17. If he does, grab a potential top 10 OT. If not, slide back 3-5 slots, pick up and extra pick and grab Saffold.
OTC, this is an interesting tweet from Maiocco on Brown

No, I think Brown was McCloughan's guy. RT @CapoDiFamiglia Do you still think 49ers would draft C. Brown over A. Davis in 1st rd?


# That's the impression I've gotten. RT @sancarlosbrad When you say Brown was a McCloughan's guy, is there a different opinion with Baalke? 9:53 PM Apr 12th via web
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Nice work, Mad Dog. Couple of questions for you:

What are your thoughts on Charles Brown? Under the radar, LT only, fit for a zone blocking scheme only, etc.

What are your thoughts about Devin McCourty? IMO he fits the Niners mold perfectly with his size, speed and special teams ability. But where does he fit value wise?

I think Brown is the odds-on favorite to be the pick at 17, unless the Giants grab himat 15, or the Seahawks take Berry at 6 and then Brown at 14.

Brown has gained some weight to be in the 300-305 pound range, and can probably still stack on ten more pounds. He'll never be a 325 jumbo-sized guy like Davis. Brown has a lot in common with Staley: former TE's, guys who added weight to get to 300 pounds before the draft, both players flying under the radar until the end, and a solid pass protector who needs to work on the running game. Strikingly similar.

Brown played in a pro-style set at USC, and appears more than nimble enough to play in a zone scheme, or in our hybrid-style system (I'm not sure what direction our team will head in blocking schemes this year). Probably best at LT, but there is enough there to think that RT is not going to be an issue.

I have been a big fan of McCourty for some time. He presents late first, early second round value. Great size/speed combo, sensational footwork, hustle. He can play on an island. Excellent special teamer (probably top 5 in the draft) who will play nickle this year, and then start next year when Clements is released.

If the Niners do not draft Haden, Thomas, Wilson in the first round, then I think they target Owusu-Ansah in the second, especially with his return ability. He is a brilliant return man.

MD, I believe you said Williams will be the first tackle selected. I would have said, "No" a few months ago, but in looking at the Redskins and doing a little deeper background on them, they do not feel they need another left tackle, and many fans say the Okung pick wouldn't make any sense.

I say take the BPA, but I can indeed see Washington selecting Williams regardless because of his athleticism and the belief that, even though they would play him at RT, he could be a better left tackle in the future anyways than Okung.

I understand the 49ers have in fact conducted some scouting at the Indiana-Pennsylvania university, and surely hope that what they've seen in Akwasi will push them to select him in the 2nd. I say the 2nd, because I see zero indications that he will come anywhere near our 3rd rounder, who I still believe we are targeting Ricky Sapp for if he makes it there.

What's up, brother?

The word seems to be building that the Skins like Williams better in their zone blocking scheme. I think KC would do backflips if this scenario played out.

Owusu-Ansah is a terrific target at number 49, although I think the Niners have Haden VERY high on their boards. The big question is whether someone will trade above the Niners to grab him. There are a ton of teams in that 18-24 range that might make a leapfrog over us.

I don't think Haden is going to make it to us. I also do not believe Spiller is going to make it to us either.

I see Jacksonville and Miami as the potential landing spots for both players. If Seattle selects Berry, Cleveland will take Haden. I am curious as to what the 49ers think about Earl Thomas. I am not a fan of Thomas whatsoever, but I have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that they could take him with #17 in the right scenario.

If Buffalo selects a tackle, we could be choosing between Brown and Bulaga at #13. I believe we'd choose Brown, and the Seahawks would then take Bulaga.

My bewildered mind is swirling with thoughts of scenario after scenario.

My ideal 1st round would have us land a combination of OT, and OLB Brandon Graham. Somehow, I think the chances of the 49ers drafted Graham are quite low.

So many scenarios. It is nuts, I agree.

I pretty much agree across the board. I don't see Spiller, nor Haden, on the board at 13, and I don't think Graham will be strongly considered. I think they are going to target Arthur Moats with their fourth rounder.

The first five picks in the draft seem pretty set to me, with Bradford, Suh, McCoy, Williams, and Okung appearing to be interchangeable, but fitting in that top group. Seattle really begins the draft at number 6. I think they are going Anthony Davis, but wouldn't be shocked if they selected Berry (I'd chose Berry over Davis without even thinking). If Cleveland loses out on Berry, the seventh overall could be a shock selection: Spiller or Odrick or Thomas. I think the team will pass on Haden after the trade for Sheldon Brown, but who knows? Maybe they double-up at CB? Maybe they solve the biggest issue on defense: free safety. I would lay big money they would do everything in their power to trade down.

The Rams-Browns prospectful trade would also throw a major curveball. I just don't see the Rams moving down that far.
Interesting that you would place Charles Brown ahead of Bulaga
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Nice work, Mad Dog. Couple of questions for you:

What are your thoughts on Charles Brown? Under the radar, LT only, fit for a zone blocking scheme only, etc.

What are your thoughts about Devin McCourty? IMO he fits the Niners mold perfectly with his size, speed and special teams ability. But where does he fit value wise?

I think Brown is the odds-on favorite to be the pick at 17, unless the Giants grab himat 15, or the Seahawks take Berry at 6 and then Brown at 14.

Brown has gained some weight to be in the 300-305 pound range, and can probably still stack on ten more pounds. He'll never be a 325 jumbo-sized guy like Davis. Brown has a lot in common with Staley: former TE's, guys who added weight to get to 300 pounds before the draft, both players flying under the radar until the end, and a solid pass protector who needs to work on the running game. Strikingly similar.

Brown played in a pro-style set at USC, and appears more than nimble enough to play in a zone scheme, or in our hybrid-style system (I'm not sure what direction our team will head in blocking schemes this year). Probably best at LT, but there is enough there to think that RT is not going to be an issue.

I have been a big fan of McCourty for some time. He presents late first, early second round value. Great size/speed combo, sensational footwork, hustle. He can play on an island. Excellent special teamer (probably top 5 in the draft) who will play nickle this year, and then start next year when Clements is released.

If the Niners do not draft Haden, Thomas, Wilson in the first round, then I think they target Owusu-Ansah in the second, especially with his return ability. He is a brilliant return man.

MD, I believe you said Williams will be the first tackle selected. I would have said, "No" a few months ago, but in looking at the Redskins and doing a little deeper background on them, they do not feel they need another left tackle, and many fans say the Okung pick wouldn't make any sense.

I say take the BPA, but I can indeed see Washington selecting Williams regardless because of his athleticism and the belief that, even though they would play him at RT, he could be a better left tackle in the future anyways than Okung.

I understand the 49ers have in fact conducted some scouting at the Indiana-Pennsylvania university, and surely hope that what they've seen in Akwasi will push them to select him in the 2nd. I say the 2nd, because I see zero indications that he will come anywhere near our 3rd rounder, who I still believe we are targeting Ricky Sapp for if he makes it there.

What's up, brother?

The word seems to be building that the Skins like Williams better in their zone blocking scheme. I think KC would do backflips if this scenario played out.

Owusu-Ansah is a terrific target at number 49, although I think the Niners have Haden VERY high on their boards. The big question is whether someone will trade above the Niners to grab him. There are a ton of teams in that 18-24 range that might make a leapfrog over us.

I don't think Haden is going to make it to us. I also do not believe Spiller is going to make it to us either.

I see Jacksonville and Miami as the potential landing spots for both players. If Seattle selects Berry, Cleveland will take Haden. I am curious as to what the 49ers think about Earl Thomas. I am not a fan of Thomas whatsoever, but I have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that they could take him with #17 in the right scenario.

If Buffalo selects a tackle, we could be choosing between Brown and Bulaga at #13. I believe we'd choose Brown, and the Seahawks would then take Bulaga.

My bewildered mind is swirling with thoughts of scenario after scenario.

My ideal 1st round would have us land a combination of OT, and OLB Brandon Graham. Somehow, I think the chances of the 49ers drafted Graham are quite low.

So many scenarios. It is nuts, I agree.

I pretty much agree across the board. I don't see Spiller, nor Haden, on the board at 13, and I don't think Graham will be strongly considered. I think they are going to target Arthur Moats with their fourth rounder.

The first five picks in the draft seem pretty set to me, with Bradford, Suh, McCoy, Williams, and Okung appearing to be interchangeable, but fitting in that top group. Seattle really begins the draft at number 6. I think they are going Anthony Davis, but wouldn't be shocked if they selected Berry (I'd chose Berry over Davis without even thinking). If Cleveland loses out on Berry, the seventh overall could be a shock selection: Spiller or Odrick or Thomas. I think the team will pass on Haden after the trade for Sheldon Brown, but who knows? Maybe they double-up at CB? Maybe they solve the biggest issue on defense: free safety. I would lay big money they would do everything in their power to trade down.

The Rams-Browns prospectful trade would also throw a major curveball. I just don't see the Rams moving down that far.

We definitely see eye to eye on Moats -- I can certainly see it happening. We seem in no hurry to take a pass-rusher early. I've been a major supporter of this kid this year. I'm glad he finally got some publicity and recognition.

I would be dumbfounded if Cleveland took Mays. I wonder if they would actually be that crazy?