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Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 49erFaiTHFuLL:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 49erFaiTHFuLL:
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
WHY DO YOU f**kERS WANT SPILLER WE DON'T NEED HIM

RT AND A PASS RUSHER!!!

Well this F^@%er says b/c if we dont get him we play him!

Weigh the Pro's and COn's about the guy and you tell me (us F^@%ers) that we dont need him.

We need help on our O more so than our D. Imagine if the D wasnt on the field 45 out of 60 min? Imagine we had a kick returner. Imagine we have a change of pace back to compliment Gore (who has been hurt and missed time the last 2 yrs)and run a dual threat back backfield which is what over 75% of the NFL teams are doin now (it is a copycat league of trend you know). Imagine we get a runnin back to compliment Gore's backup (Coffee) b/c Gore is close to 30 (not that i believe in that) and we alredy have his backup. Imagine if you actually draft for the future?

ANd your COns are on the guy are?

I do think your picks are good (OT) but with little reasoning (DE/OLB, and we already have, what 6-8 LBS on contract) and would not pick them.... you gave no evidence why we need more help on D and not on O. We need to expand our O-playmakers we have a D-minded HC and a good D that can very well be Great at times so its there.

forget about the future we need to worry about the present if we want this team to go somewhere we need an Oline i cant name the last team to make a run at the playoffs with a bottom 5 o line it just simply cant be done Oline has to be the priority if you want to win NOW

I never said we DONT need an OL upgrade.... What i said was we need Spiller. If we do NOT get Spiller with our first (13) then SEA would have/or have a chance to get a top 5 OL and 1 of the top 3 RB!

I said we NEED help on O. Lineman play on Offense to... And we still have at least 7 other picks in the draft to get help at OL

we shouldnt draft a player just so another team cant have him we need to improve our team so we can be the best we can be and in this years draft that means taking an OL so we can go from a bottom 5 OL to a top 15 OL

btw i doubt the hawks take spiller they have needs at OL and passrushing more than RB i have a feeling they take brian price or graham or morgan

SO your sayin Spiller wont make us better and by the way we do have 2 first rd picks in case you dont know? I am sayin Spiller WILL make the team better (offense and ST) 2 for 1. My reasoning for pickin Spiller is not so SEA cant have him. We need playmakers. 2 picks in the first rd. And at least 5 more in the other rds(we dont even know about trades that might come our way come draft day). Dont worry we ALL know the line is bad. The only person close to Spiller is Best, and why draft someone that ALREADY has concussion IF he falls in the second which i doubt, or hope for McCluster in the 3rd doubt that to.
BECAUSE HE IS A GAMEBREAKER AND WE DON'T HAVE MANY OF THOSE!
Originally posted by strickac:
...One more thing, OROY will be Ryan Mathews: He's the best looking RB to be a featured back for a team. He'll get drafted by someone that needs a #1RB and he'll be thrown right into the action. Of the RB projected to go early, he's probably the safest pick this year.

Best value... LaGarette Blount: He's the biggest back to come out and he's just as athletic as the smaller guys. Plus, if we sign Pacman, he'll need a bodyguard. Blount can fill that role for us. He had character issues his entire time in college, but I'm guessing he'll still go somewhere around the 5th round.

I want Mathews so we would have a great 2 back system like Carolina. Both Williams and Stewart got over 1000 yards and like the system because they know they will last longer in the league splitting carries.

I'm just not sold on Spiller, I think he's just the sexy pick people are in love with. I hope he goes in the top 10.
[ Edited by teeohh on Mar 21, 2010 at 10:51 AM ]
Originally posted by mayo63:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by mayo63:
Originally posted by strickac:
...One more thing, OROY will be Ryan Mathews: He's the best looking RB to be a featured back for a team. He'll get drafted by someone that needs a #1RB and he'll be thrown right into the action. Of the RB projected to go early, he's probably the safest pick this year.

Best value... LaGarette Blount: He's the biggest back to come out and he's just as athletic as the smaller guys. Plus, if we sign Pacman, he'll need a bodyguard. Blount can fill that role for us. He had character issues his entire time in college, but I'm guessing he'll still go somewhere around the 5th round.

Yeah, I'm thinking SD goes Matthews or Best with their first pick, let's hope it Matthews so Best falls to us at #49.

With Jamal Williams now a Bronco, I wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers went with Cody in the first and RB at 40 if they see value (ie Best or Matthews is still there).

Good point, I forgot SD has that 40th pick. They're in good position for either one of Matthews or Best in the 2nd.

Just inclined to think that they may put more value on the NT position as it's a crucial one for 3-4 teams and Washington & KC both being possibilities to take Cody before pick #40 not to mention some 4-3 team could take him as a big run plugger.

San Diego did find Turner and Sproles in the middle rounds and Sproles may still return to them yet. I wouldn't rule out Matthews with their 1st pick but Cody definitely is another name to keep in mind for them right there.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
BECAUSE HE IS A GAMEBREAKER AND WE DON'T HAVE MANY OF THOSE!

o line is much more important look at the colts have been on top of league for years they have dominant o line

best example look at the saints they have had reggie bush and drew brees for a while now they just made the playoffs what even though they had both a game breaker and a QB they couldnt make the playoffs they upgrade their o line then they make superbowl and win it

O line is the key if we want to win no matter how unsexy it is it is our biggest need and that getting a dominant OT and OG in draft will take us far in the playoffs
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Originally posted by mayo63:
Looks like all the OT''s will be gone by 13 so we might have no choice but to take Spiller.

All of the high grade left tackles may be gone by 13. If not we will have many options and high quality picks at 13 the question will be which one will SF take? I personally would like Williams/Spiller/Graham and whoever is left over at 17.

who needs a lt? staley plays left
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
WHY DO YOU f**kERS WANT SPILLER WE DON'T NEED HIM

RT AND A PASS RUSHER!!!


why do u want a passrusher we were 6th in the league in sacks......we were dead last in kr and pr yardage
Originally posted by YorkHater:
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
WHY DO YOU f**kERS WANT SPILLER WE DON'T NEED HIM

RT AND A PASS RUSHER!!!


why do u want a passrusher we were 6th in the league in sacks......we were dead last in kr and pr yardage

I think there is definitely room for improvement from our OLBs. The only pass rusher on my wishlist in the first round is Graham. I'm not familiar with JPP or other guys that could be around there.
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Originally posted by strickac:
I was on the Spiller bandwagon early, but I think it's completely out of control now. I would rather have Best than Spiller. They are very similar; however, I think Best is the better pure runner. My only hesistation with Spiller is that he will cost an early 1st and I just don't see him as a guy that will ever challenge for a rushing title. He's more of a situational guy, IMO. I think he's best be suited for a team like the Eagles or the Patriots.

Also, I think McCluster was a bit overrated for a while on this board also. I wouldn't spend our 2nd on him, but if he's there in the 3rd, I wouldn't hesitate to grab him. McCluster is a poor man's Harvin. If we continue to play out of the Shotgun, McCluster would fit our offense nicely. He has the quicknes and speed to get up field in a hurry. Plus, he's even more dangerous as a receiver.

To take it a step further, I think we really have to land one of these speedy backs. If you watch the Chargers play, you'll see how much Rivers relies on dumping the ball off to his backs and TE. We have Vernon, but we don't really have a threat out of the backfield. I love Gore. Don't get me wrong, but I don't think Gore is that big of a threat when the ball is dumped off to him. We need a player (like Sproles) that has some dangerous speed and that can make people miss in the open field. When Sproles gets the ball in space, no one has an answer for it. He's too quick and nearly untouchable in the open field. That's something our offense really could use. We don't have that high percentage, dumpoff pass for Alex. The better QBs usually do: Brady-to-Welker, McNabb-to-Westbrook, Peyton-to-Clark, Romo-to-Witten, etc..

Vernon should be that guy for us, but it hasn't happened that way. He isn't the best at getting seperation, unless he's darting the field. Plus, since we lack a deep threat, Vernon has kind of been stuck in the role of stretching the field.

To wrap this up... I think Spiller could fill an important role for us, but I think Best or McCluster could also do the same. Of the three, I think Best has the highest ceiling and is the most talented. His concussions and size are limiting his draft status, but I think he's the most talented RB in this class. Best would be an absolute steal if he's there in the 2nd (I think he'll go in the 1st though). Spiller would be a good pick, but I have doubts about him. He's a better version of Reggie Bush, IMO, but not really a franchise RB. I would prefer not to spend a 1st on him, though I wouldn't complain about the pick. McCluster will struggle running the ball as a traditional RB, but I don't think he'd be drafted for that anyway. He's a 3rd-down RB and someone that could really help a QB in the passing game. That's why I wouldn't touch him before the 3rd. Since we have Gore, I think McCluster would be a solid pick for us.

I've tried to stay out of the whole Siller discussion, but there's my take.

Rant complete! Now, back to my studying.

You make so much sense to me that it's scary!

Based upon what I've observed on this forum, my opinions (especially as a noob) will probably p*ss off a bunch of people, even though it's only an expression of opinion. But what the heck . . .

I know everyone thinks that our most important need is on the OL. IMO the team's greatest need is playmakers on offense. The 49ers don't have any. The team has several solid guys, but IMO noone with that extra spark. Shifty and fast. If it were me, I would like to get two in the first two/three rounds.

With that in mind:

1. I like Dez Bryant the best. I think that he could be a game changer. And I would take him first at #13. At #17 I'd select one of the top five OLmen. Then I'd try to do some creative negotiating to trade to a point where we could land Best. I agree that he is better VALUE than Spiller for where they are projecting the two of them to go. And I think that he is a better runner anyway.

2. If Dez is gone by #13 (probably), then I'd go for one of the top four OTs at #13 or Haden. Then trade down from the #17 to later in the first or early second to grab Best, and secure an extra pick. Select an OLman in second (if we have Haden in pocket) and select another shifty playmaker (slot receiver?) in the second or third.

3. If the top 4 OTs and Haden are gone by #13, I'd trade down on both first rounders and target Brown from USC (he's possibly as good as any of the other guys), Best and another OLman, from the two firsts and early second. Plus a shifty playpaker with the extra picks garnered on the trade down. This would be a Walsh-like draft.

At the very least we should come away with Brown and Best, then pick-em for the other OL and speed.

Do any of you draft experts think that you could work this?
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by mayo63:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by mayo63:
Originally posted by strickac:
...One more thing, OROY will be Ryan Mathews: He's the best looking RB to be a featured back for a team. He'll get drafted by someone that needs a #1RB and he'll be thrown right into the action. Of the RB projected to go early, he's probably the safest pick this year.

Best value... LaGarette Blount: He's the biggest back to come out and he's just as athletic as the smaller guys. Plus, if we sign Pacman, he'll need a bodyguard. Blount can fill that role for us. He had character issues his entire time in college, but I'm guessing he'll still go somewhere around the 5th round.

Yeah, I'm thinking SD goes Matthews or Best with their first pick, let's hope it Matthews so Best falls to us at #49.

With Jamal Williams now a Bronco, I wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers went with Cody in the first and RB at 40 if they see value (ie Best or Matthews is still there).

Good point, I forgot SD has that 40th pick. They're in good position for either one of Matthews or Best in the 2nd.

Just inclined to think that they may put more value on the NT position as it's a crucial one for 3-4 teams and Washington & KC both being possibilities to take Cody before pick #40 not to mention some 4-3 team could take him as a big run plugger.

San Diego did find Turner and Sproles in the middle rounds and Sproles may still return to them yet. I wouldn't rule out Matthews with their 1st pick but Cody definitely is another name to keep in mind for them right there.

On Washington switching to the 3-4: How would you like to be a RT with Haynesworth and Orapko lining up across from you?
forget to take your meds today? lol
You've got it wrong...we don't need a RT, we need an OT who can play both positions. It'd be dumb to use a #13 or even 17 pick to get a RT. Singletary has said a number of times, any OT he takes in the 1st rd must have LT ability. As for pass rusher, I'd rather have Haden in the 1st rd...this is likely Clements' last year with us unless he's willing to drastically reconstruct his contract. One of the good pass rushers will still be available in the 2nd...the best CB in the draft won't.
Originally posted by 49erFaiTHFuLL:
Originally posted by phatbutskinny:
WHY DO YOU f**kERS WANT SPILLER WE DON'T NEED HIM

RT AND A PASS RUSHER!!!

Well this F^@%er says b/c if we dont get him we play him!

Weigh the Pro's and COn's about the guy and you tell me (us F^@%ers) that we dont need him.

We need help on our O more so than our D. Imagine if the D wasnt on the field 45 out of 60 min? Imagine we had a kick returner. Imagine we have a change of pace back to compliment Gore (who has been hurt and missed time the last 2 yrs)and run a dual threat back backfield which is what over 75% of the NFL teams are doin now (it is a copycat league of trend you know). Imagine we get a runnin back to compliment Gore's backup (Coffee) b/c Gore is close to 30 (not that i believe in that) and we alredy have his backup. Imagine if you actually draft for the future?

ANd your COns are on the guy are?

I do think your picks are good (OT) but with little reasoning (DE/OLB, and we already have, what 6-8 LBS on contract) and would not pick them.... you gave no evidence why we need more help on D and not on O. We need to expand our O-playmakers we have a D-minded HC and a good D that can very well be Great at times so its there.

This is why we don't need spiller

1. snyder was one of the worst right tackles in the nfl last year. yes 13th and 17th is usually too early to pick, but this is a necessity, spiller is a luxury

2. There are many other 'gamebreakers with speed' that we can fill in the 2nd round or any round after

3. Spiller is definitely not an every down back, and we already have Gore. If we pick spiller it means we're definitely giving up on Coffee already which would have been a wasted pick

4. IMO Haralson is extremeley overrated, and we need another pass rusher. Brooks might be the answer, but what if he's not? He shows potential but I feel like the zone hypes him up too much.

5. If not a pass rusher then a corner like Haden or Wilson

6. Trent Williams + Trade Down. Get Wilson and Gilyard

this would make me happy
Originally posted by teeohh:
Originally posted by strickac:
...One more thing, OROY will be Ryan Mathews: He's the best looking RB to be a featured back for a team. He'll get drafted by someone that needs a #1RB and he'll be thrown right into the action. Of the RB projected to go early, he's probably the safest pick this year.

Best value... LaGarette Blount: He's the biggest back to come out and he's just as athletic as the smaller guys. Plus, if we sign Pacman, he'll need a bodyguard. Blount can fill that role for us. He had character issues his entire time in college, but I'm guessing he'll still go somewhere around the 5th round.

I want Mathews so we would have a great 2 back system like Carolina. Both Williams and Stewart got over 1000 yards and like the system because they know they will last longer in the league splitting carries.

I'm just not sold on Spiller, I think he's just the sexy pick people are in love with. I hope he goes in the top 10.

Thing is, Gore only gets slightly over 20 touches a game and our backups hardly ever touch the ball when Gore is healthy. There's hardly any room to split up the touches until we fix our OL so that we can actually sustain some drives and run more plays.

However do count me in on the Spiller bandwagon, I think this draft is deep enough that we can fix our OL problems without having to burn all our top picks on them.