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Seahawks acquiring Marshall means Spiller available at #17?

Originally posted by susweel:
Im willing to bet you my left nut that McClueless will not draft him.
Originally posted by GMniner805:
Originally posted by 4DNinersSon:
Originally posted by redmanc07:
Originally posted by 4DNinersSon:
Originally posted by GMniner805:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Why are the Seahawks going after Marshall and we are not?

Just a wild guess: cause he's a head case with character issues who's also a cancer in the locker room and will require one HUGE contract once he gets to Seattle, in addition to the draft pick he will cost them. Then when he arrives, he will no longer be motivated to play for a big contract, meaning that Seattle will have wasted time, money, and draft picks.

This & the 49ers will be VERY fortunate if Spiller is still on the board at 13. If he falls history has shown a team WILL move up to grab a top ten talent.

On a side note anyone who mentions rb's being a dime a dozen in reguards to Spiller is a f***ing moron. He is a special, special player, the man can turn the tables of any game with one touch.

Just like Reggie Bush was a special special player coming out of USC? Did Spiller win the Heisman? Oh wait thats a no. Again Running backs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Just an FYI Reggie Bush & Spiller were the same height at the Combine & Spiller weighed in 3 lbs lighter than Reggie Bush did.

If thats the case lets get AP and Chris Johnson here asap. We won 1 out of 4 games when Gore was suffering from injury and that win was the Rams. I dont care if Spiller and Bo Jackson where the same size at the combine. Reggie Bush was a special player surrounded by special players. Spiller is a man that carried his team type special player. If you ever decide to watch the running style of Spiller you will see he is nothing like Bush, he runs angry and with a purpose.

Wow, lets check out what NFL.com has to say under Spiller's bio. Odd they seem to agree.
[url=null]null[/url] [url=null]null[/url] Spiller compared to Bush & Felix Jones

Spiller is not the kind of back who can carry a team by rushing 20-25 times a game over the course of a 16-game season. Like a Reggie Bush or Felix Jones, though, he can be a situational player who gives the offense big-play capability out of the backfield. He has a rare burst through the hole, and not many safeties can run him down once they lose the angle on him. He is a competitive runner who will fight for yards and has balance to bounce off hits and keep his feet to gain more yards. Spiller is apt to be the first back taken in the draft in spite of his lack of power and bulk.


ROFL I Hope you don't base all of your opinions on what you find on NFL.com.

"He is a competitive runner who will fight for yards and has balance to bounce off hits and keep his feet to gain more yards."

that right there is the complete oposite of Reggie Bush.
That is why that comparison is retarded
They've gotta go OL with their other first rounder now, I think this takes Seattle out of the equation for Spiller. Hope it's not Iupati, but I doubt it would be.

Teams that could draft Spiller: CLE, DEN, MIA, NYG. I think he'd probably be there at 17. Move the Sticks had him going 6th to Seattle, but obviously things have changed, if Marshall does indeed get moved.

And SanDiego49er, I don't think we should be going after him because we are already paying a big contract to a #1 WR, and Marshall has issues. Relying on a guy every week who knows he should have been shot instead of his friend is not something I think a team like the 49ers needs to do right now. On top of that, paying him the contract he'll demand before taking care of Willis, Davis, and maybe even Goldson is questionable.
If they do get Marshall I would think that they would be the main competitor for the Niners next year in the NFC West. I think Arizona is going to 6-10.
Originally posted by sacleads:
I'm not a fan of using first round pick on a back up players. We just don't have the luxury for first round part time players. No matter how I look at it, Spiller is not going to be a starter as long as Gore is here. We have WAY bigger needs than a RB.

Well I am a fan of drafting the bpa that got us the likes of Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis & Micheal Crabtree. We took these guys over our needs and the results speak for themselves. Drafting strictly based on needs gets you guys like M.Rumph, R.Mcgrew, & R. Woods. Not to mention Spiller does fill a lot of needs, being a return specialist arguably our weakest position.
Originally posted by 4DNinersSon:
Originally posted by redmanc07:
Originally posted by 4DNinersSon:
Originally posted by GMniner805:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Why are the Seahawks going after Marshall and we are not?

Just a wild guess: cause he's a head case with character issues who's also a cancer in the locker room and will require one HUGE contract once he gets to Seattle, in addition to the draft pick he will cost them. Then when he arrives, he will no longer be motivated to play for a big contract, meaning that Seattle will have wasted time, money, and draft picks.

This & the 49ers will be VERY fortunate if Spiller is still on the board at 13. If he falls history has shown a team WILL move up to grab a top ten talent.

On a side note anyone who mentions rb's being a dime a dozen in reguards to Spiller is a f***ing moron. He is a special, special player, the man can turn the tables of any game with one touch.

Just like Reggie Bush was a special special player coming out of USC? Did Spiller win the Heisman? Oh wait thats a no. Again Running backs are a dime a dozen in the NFL. Just an FYI Reggie Bush & Spiller were the same height at the Combine & Spiller weighed in 3 lbs lighter than Reggie Bush did.

If thats the case lets get AP and Chris Johnson here asap. We won 1 out of 4 games when Gore was suffering from injury and that win was the Rams. I dont care if Spiller and Bo Jackson where the same size at the combine. Reggie Bush was a special player surrounded by special players. Spiller is a man that carried his team type special player. If you ever decide to watch the running style of Spiller you will see he is nothing like Bush, he runs angry and with a purpose.

Wow, lets check out what NFL.com has to say under Spiller's bio. Odd they seem to agree.
[url=null]null[/url] [url=null]null[/url] Spiller compared to Bush & Felix Jones

Spiller is not the kind of back who can carry a team by rushing 20-25 times a game over the course of a 16-game season. Like a Reggie Bush or Felix Jones, though, he can be a situational player who gives the offense big-play capability out of the backfield. He has a rare burst through the hole, and not many safeties can run him down once they lose the angle on him. He is a competitive runner who will fight for yards and has balance to bounce off hits and keep his feet to gain more yards. Spiller is apt to be the first back taken in the draft in spite of his lack of power and bulk.

IDK..from what I have seen of Spiller, he has power. Power= Strengh+ Speed and he has that get the F#&K up off of me sort of abiltiy. Despite what some othrs think, this team NEEDS him badly.
Originally posted by GMniner805:
Originally posted by sacleads:
I'm not a fan of using first round pick on a back up players. We just don't have the luxury for first round part time players. No matter how I look at it, Spiller is not going to be a starter as long as Gore is here. We have WAY bigger needs than a RB.

Well I am a fan of drafting the bpa that got us the likes of Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis & Micheal Crabtree. We took these guys over our needs and the results speak for themselves. Drafting strictly based on needs gets you guys like M.Rumph, R.Mcgrew, & R. Woods. Not to mention Spiller does fill a lot of needs, being a return specialist arguably our weakest position.

McGrew and Woods, and a whole host of others, came from reaching for a need, not from looking to fill a need. We need:

OT
OG
OLB
DB
backup rb/returner

with that list there will be no need to reach. Backup backs and returnees can be picked up rather late in the draft. No point in paying first round money for a guy to warm the bench most of the game. When Gore needs replacing we can draft, there is no need to develop a guy over time.

We are spending far too long worrying about what Seattle will do. Let's concentrate on improving our team. Out D can handle the Seahawks
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Why give them #6? Wouldn't it be better to give them #14? That would take Seattle completley out of the picture as far as affecting our #17 pick.
ok you guys i dont think seattle will pick spiller without adressing pass rush and OT because because both need a hell lot of improvement and they are much more important than drafting a RB especially since they already have 2 servicable running backs on their roster
There is no way they trade #6 for Marshall. Sea. will negotiate it down to at least #14. Hopefully nothing lower. I hope they draft Clausen at #6 and leave the OTs to the 9ers. Then it makes sense for the Broncos to draft D. Bryant and D. Williams. The trade could really help the 9ers out in the draft.
[ Edited by LottOfDefense on Mar 6, 2010 at 6:39 AM ]
does marshall scare any of you guys? We're built to stop those big receivers anyway. Really we do great against them. Look at us vs denver, us vs arizona, us vs indy. The only ones that give us problems are the tiny f**kers like deshaun jackson.
I think that RB is a position of "need." How long do you think Gore has left in his tank? He's been runned to death and lately he's hurt for parts of the season. He's not that big and been runned into the heart of EVERY defense we've faced. I love Gore, BUT he also has TWO repaired knees and a lot of NFL mileage. Spiller would be a great addition to our team AND would be there if Gore goes down again.
No thanx
Keep in mind that I'm talking about taking Spiller at #17, not #13. The BPA that also addresses a position at need at #13 will most likely be an OL, and I would applaud that pick; that's why my draft mock had us taking Williams or Bulaga.

At #17, who can tell me that Spiller isn't the BPA? Can he block for himself? Can he rush the passer? Can he defend receivers? No. So let's talk about what he can do:

1. He can play special teams for us. How many games did we lose by a score or less? Considering we were last in average starting field position, I think a better returner would have won us at least two games last year.

2. He keeps Gore healthier longer. How do you play defense against the 49ers? Easy: crowd the box when Smith is behind center, play coverage when he's in shotgun. Gore is a power-runner, and its only through sheer talent alone that he ran for 1,000+ yards while missing a handful of games, because our offense is incredibly one-dimensional. You line up with Smith behind center and both Gore and Spiller in the backfield, and you'll find a lot less defenses with 9 men in the box.

3. He takes pressure of the Line and off Smith. One of the most frustrating aspects of watching Alex Smith play quarterback is that you know as soon as he starts bootlegging, there's an 80% chance he's simply going to throw it away. Playoff teams don't do that. The Jets, the Saints, the Cardinals, the Steelers even, they can make plays out of nothing. Gore can catch, but he's a running back. Spiller is a playmaker, and an instant safety net whenever he's on the field. See my next point for more:

4. He spreads the defense. If Spiller lines up in the backfield, you know there's a linebacker posted to him. That's one less rusher. If he lines up in the slot, you know he's getting attention. If he's on the field, that's one less defender to rush, or to crowd against Gore, or to double-team Crabtree. If there's less rushers, the O-line plays better, Smith has more time, and receivers get more open.

5. He's a home-run hitter. How the the Jets get to the AFC Championship game? Good defense and Shonn Greene. We play incremental football, and that's a style befitting a physical team. Nothing will change that, and players like Gore, Davis, and Crabtree are well suited for an 80-yard drive that picks up 7 first downs. Spiller wouldn't change our offensive philosophy, but he would represent an ability, at any time, to score. How many games did we lose by one score? Over the course of a 16-game season, if Spiller was able to break even just a few runs for a Johnson-esque or a Rice-esque score, how many games would that swing?

We are not one player away from a championship team, but I sure as hell believe we are one player the caliber of Spiller away from being a playoff team. We can make the OLine better, and I think we should do that with our first pick. We can make our secondary better, and I think we should draft a CB or S in the 2nd round. We can make our pass-rushing better, and that will continue to develop. But the one thing we don't have that other teams do is an offense that other teams fear. We're talking about fearing Brandon Marshall on the decrepit Seahawks, yet we can't look at what a player like Spiller would do for this team?

Tell me again he's not the BPA at #17.
no thanks is right. As long as GORE is here...I want him in the game. Having Spiller in a niner uni, means Gore is on the sideline. I don't like seeing Gore on the sidelines. Spiller isn't a receiver, splitting him out in the slot is gimmikie, and isn't going to get him 20 touches a 1st round RB should be getting. Do you really want GORE to be on the sidelines? You can't start em both, and I'll take my chances with #21! We have bigger needs, and spillers is a luxery pick. Beefing up our OL will, IMHO, will get us to the next level faster than anything else.