Seahawks acquiring Marshall means Spiller available at #17?

Originally posted by JizzmasterZero:
no thanks is right. As long as GORE is here...I want him in the game. Having Spiller in a niner uni, means Gore is on the sideline. I don't like seeing Gore on the sidelines. Spiller isn't a receiver, splitting him out in the slot is gimmikie, and isn't going to get him 20 touches a 1st round RB should be getting. Do you really want GORE to be on the sidelines? You can't start em both, and I'll take my chances with #21! We have bigger needs, and spillers is a luxery pick. Beefing up our OL will, IMHO, will get us to the next level faster than anything else.

Having Spiller on the field doesn't mean benching Gore. This is a dynamic league; one-dimensional thinking is why we score so few touchdowns.

I've never seen so much man-love for a player before; at least not since Kory Sheets.

People act like Spiller will be Chris Johnson and not Reggie Bush or Felix Jones; how do you know? No one knows until he puts on pads and takes a hit and hopefully doesn't fall into pieces. The only reason why Chris Johnson doesn't get injured is because they run him outside a lot and he avoids a lot of the big hits.

All that said, if McC thinks he is the best player available with the best value, then he will get drafted; if not, he won't. I am not sure a change of pace back and a KR are the best value that early in the draft, I'd rather they improve the OL, pass rush, secondary, or find a replacement for Spikes in the first round, but, who knows?

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I've never seen so much man-love for a player before; at least not since Kory Sheets.

People act like Spiller will be Chris Johnson and not Reggie Bush or Felix Jones; how do you know? No one knows until he puts on pads and takes a hit and hopefully doesn't fall into pieces. The only reason why Chris Johnson doesn't get injured is because they run him outside a lot and he avoids a lot of the big hits.

All that said, if McC thinks he is the best player available with the best value, then he will get drafted; if not, he won't. I am not sure a change of pace back and a KR are the best value that early in the draft, I'd rather they improve the OL, pass rush, secondary, or find a replacement for Spikes in the first round, but, who knows?

If we're taking a back I want Ryan Mathews

Originally posted by domesik:
So the NFC west loses Boldin but gains Marshall.

I still think the 49ers need to get a corner to compensate.

regardless the seahawks QB situation sucks, which means Marshall isnt a big deal.

Originally posted by sspiker:

Originally posted by JizzmasterZero:
no thanks is right. As long as GORE is here...I want him in the game. Having Spiller in a niner uni, means Gore is on the sideline. I don't like seeing Gore on the sidelines. Spiller isn't a receiver, splitting him out in the slot is gimmikie, and isn't going to get him 20 touches a 1st round RB should be getting. Do you really want GORE to be on the sidelines? You can't start em both, and I'll take my chances with #21! We have bigger needs, and spillers is a luxery pick. Beefing up our OL will, IMHO, will get us to the next level faster than anything else.

Having Spiller on the field doesn't mean benching Gore. This is a dynamic league; one-dimensional thinking is why we score so few touchdowns.

I respectfully disagree. We score so few TD's because we always have our progress snapped by a sack, or a stalled drive, or a QB hurry, or holding ,or a stuff on 3rd and short. Spiller wont do JACK for us without OL help. Solid Help..Not late-round-cross-your-fingers type guys. We NEED to draft OL early and often. A change of pace back is not even close to being a glaring need as I feel our OL is.
It's not even close.

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I've never seen so much man-love for a player before; at least not since Kory Sheets.

People act like Spiller will be Chris Johnson and not Reggie Bush or Felix Jones; how do you know? No one knows until he puts on pads and takes a hit and hopefully doesn't fall into pieces. The only reason why Chris Johnson doesn't get injured is because they run him outside a lot and he avoids a lot of the big hits.

All that said, if McC thinks he is the best player available with the best value, then he will get drafted; if not, he won't. I am not sure a change of pace back and a KR are the best value that early in the draft, I'd rather they improve the OL, pass rush, secondary, or find a replacement for Spikes in the first round, but, who knows?

If we're taking a back I want Ryan Mathews

Right. Ryan Matthews looks like a stud. I'm not sure how Gore would react to us drafting him. Daniel Jeremiah, former scout has us taking Matthews with the #17 pick in his first mock draft pod cast: http://www.movethesticks.com/?page_id=1068 . I was surprised.

49ers (McCloughan) are not drafting Spiller. I wish we would but it ain't gonna happen.

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by teeohh:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
I've never seen so much man-love for a player before; at least not since Kory Sheets.

People act like Spiller will be Chris Johnson and not Reggie Bush or Felix Jones; how do you know? No one knows until he puts on pads and takes a hit and hopefully doesn't fall into pieces. The only reason why Chris Johnson doesn't get injured is because they run him outside a lot and he avoids a lot of the big hits.

All that said, if McC thinks he is the best player available with the best value, then he will get drafted; if not, he won't. I am not sure a change of pace back and a KR are the best value that early in the draft, I'd rather they improve the OL, pass rush, secondary, or find a replacement for Spikes in the first round, but, who knows?

If we're taking a back I want Ryan Mathews

Right. Ryan Matthews looks like a stud. I'm not sure how Gore would react to us drafting him. Daniel Jeremiah, former scout has us taking Matthews with the #17 pick in his first mock draft pod cast: http://www.movethesticks.com/?page_id=1068 . I was surprised.

I think he was upset when we drafted Robinson, but I don't care if his feelings are hurt

I hope Seattle doesn't get Marshall! That could be bad news for us.

Originally posted by domesik:
So the NFC west loses Boldin but gains Marshall.

I still think the 49ers need to get a corner to compensate.

aint that some s**t

Any team that wants to go deep into the playoffs MUST have depth at RB, and that depth needs to offer a change-of-pace guy.

I love Gore but if he goes down, this offense turns south. Therefore it isn't about what Frank thinks, it is about what is best for the team. Spiller sounds like the kind of matchup back that requires other teams account for him. That will helps Gore, and the rest of the offense.

As to drafting slots, it is a given that one of those first two picks must be a guy who can play RT. While Williams might be that guy, it is not out of the realm of possibility that they get a LT and move Staley back to RT.

Lots of possibilities but a team can never be short on RBs if they want to win consistently. So 13 or 17, Spiller sounds like a very good option. A matchup back doesn't have to be big, he just has to be a threat to break one. Spiller is that kind of guy.

Originally posted by dj43:
Any team that wants to go deep into the playoffs MUST have depth at RB, and that depth needs to offer a change-of-pace guy.

I love Gore but if he goes down, this offense turns south. Therefore it isn't about what Frank thinks, it is about what is best for the team. Spiller sounds like the kind of matchup back that requires other teams account for him. That will helps Gore, and the rest of the offense.

As to drafting slots, it is a given that one of those first two picks must be a guy who can play RT. While Williams might be that guy, it is not out of the realm of possibility that they get a LT and move Staley back to RT.

Lots of possibilities but a team can never be short on RBs if they want to win consistently. So 13 or 17, Spiller sounds like a very good option. A matchup back doesn't have to be big, he just has to be a threat to break one. Spiller is that kind of guy.

I don't remember, Staley started out at RT? And is the possible LT you speak LT Anthony Davis? I haven't seen the others (bulaga, williams, campbell) mentioned as left tackles.

Originally posted by dj43:
Any team that wants to go deep into the playoffs MUST have depth at RB, and that depth needs to offer a change-of-pace guy.

I love Gore but if he goes down, this offense turns south. Therefore it isn't about what Frank thinks, it is about what is best for the team. Spiller sounds like the kind of matchup back that requires other teams account for him. That will helps Gore, and the rest of the offense.

As to drafting slots, it is a given that one of those first two picks must be a guy who can play RT. While Williams might be that guy, it is not out of the realm of possibility that they get a LT and move Staley back to RT.

Lots of possibilities but a team can never be short on RBs if they want to win consistently. So 13 or 17, Spiller sounds like a very good option. A matchup back doesn't have to be big, he just has to be a threat to break one. Spiller is that kind of guy.

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If you want to be a running team. Yes you need depth at RB. It's only a MUST if that's what you want to be. 09 showed us that, that's not what we should try to be.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by sacleads:
I'm not a fan of using first round pick on a back up players. We just don't have the luxury for first round part time players. No matter how I look at it, Spiller is not going to be a starter as long as Gore is here. We have WAY bigger needs than a RB.

Well I am a fan of drafting the bpa that got us the likes of Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis & Micheal Crabtree. We took these guys over our needs and the results speak for themselves. Drafting strictly based on needs gets you guys like M.Rumph, R.Mcgrew, & R. Woods. Not to mention Spiller does fill a lot of needs, being a return specialist arguably our weakest position.

McGrew and Woods, and a whole host of others, came from reaching for a need, not from looking to fill a need. We need:

OT
OG
OLB
DB
backup rb/returner

with that list there will be no need to reach. Backup backs and returnees can be picked up rather late in the draft. No point in paying first round money for a guy to warm the bench most of the game. When Gore needs replacing we can draft, there is no need to develop a guy over time.

We are spending far too long worrying about what Seattle will do. Let's concentrate on improving our team. Out D can handle the Seahawks

There's few guys in the positions you listed that are better players than Spiller, meaning even if the 49ers fill a need they will most likely be reaching.

Seattle is infront of both our 1st round selections, what they do will greatly impact who is left on the 49ers board. That has myself & most likely the 49ers concerned rightfully about what Seattle does with their picks.

As long as Denver takes a 1st rounder away from the seachickens I say bring Marshall on. That would help a tackle fall to us at 17 after taking Spiller.

Originally posted by 4DNinersSon:
I don't think I'd celebrate having to face Brandon Marshall twice a year. When that guy is on the field and not being a distraction he dominates even with suspect QB play.

Since when did one RB change a franchise? People in the 'Zone are acting like if we get Spiller then our troubles are over. Spiller can't block for Spiller. Spiller can't rush the passer. Spiller can't help our DB's cover. If he's the best player available when we pick then we should take him, but remember running backs are a dime a dozen in th NFL. Would he help immediately in the return game? Yes. Will he help to spell Frank and possibly help to prolong his career? Possibly. Will one player change our team into a Super Bowl Contender? In my opinon no. If we take the best player available with our first four picks we will help our team improve. Falling in love with a player leads to reaching and over-compensation. All of the thing that I said he could do above we could easily do with what we've got or through free-agency.

Well said...