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if calvin johnson and crabs were in the same draft ...

Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by dhp318:
Calvin Johnson would've been picked over any other receiver, past, present, and future.

Ummm. If Jerry Rice and Calvin were in the same Draft you bet your ass Jerry would be first. calvin second any other wr and your right. The GOAT IS THE s**t AND NOBODY"S GOING BEFORE HIM!

Rice was the third WR taken.

Yes and T.O. was a 3rd rounder what's your point. I said goat he wasn't called the goat in college

Uhh, yeah and we are talking about draft - which is concluded after the player leaves college. I think you are missing the point here.

He didn't say that they would be going in order of how they were drafted.

No, but the point is, you look at Jerry's career in college and compare it with Calvin's career in college (along with combine and other tests/stats teams look at when drafting) and then decide who would get drafted higher if they were to be in the same draft.
Originally posted by 49erWill:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful:

sick!

Yeah, it was one of the best catches I have seen in college football. He is a beast, he will be the best WR in NFL hands down in couple years, if Stafford turns out to be an above average QB.
easily crab. look at his awards 2 years in a row.
Calvin Johnson


YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 48 837 17.4 51 7 3 10 3.3 7 1 0 0
2005 54 888 16.4 59 6 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2006 76

Micheal Crabtree
2007 13 1962 14.6 75 22 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2008 97 1165 12.0 82 19 2 1 0.5 3 0 0 0

Yeah I would easily pick calvin over crabs..... please with out knowledge of cj's career in nfl how could I not pick crabs
[ Edited by fan49 on Jul 6, 2009 at 3:22 PM ]
Originally posted by fan49:
Calvin Johnson


YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 48 837 17.4 51 7 3 10 3.3 7 1 0 0
2005 54 888 16.4 59 6 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2006 76

Micheal Crabtree
2007 134 1962 14.6 75 22 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2008 97 1165 12.0 82 19 2 1 0.5 3 0 0 0

Yeah I would easily pick calvin over crabs..... please with out knowledge of cj's career in nfl how could I not pick crabs

i think CJ still goes first because NFL teams love size/speed ratio. and CJ is a freak in that department. hes huge, fast, sure handed, has hops. hes dope. Crabs should be pretty damn good himself, those numbers dont lie. crabtree was a YAC machine in college, they knock his speed but i didnt see him get caught very many times from behind. i was so excited when the raiders passed on him. we'll see in a couple years where our guy is at compared to CJ who already is one of the top receivers in the league. crabs should be up there soon.
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by fan49:
Calvin Johnson


YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 48 837 17.4 51 7 3 10 3.3 7 1 0 0
2005 54 888 16.4 59 6 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2006 76

Micheal Crabtree
2007 134 1962 14.6 75 22 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2008 97 1165 12.0 82 19 2 1 0.5 3 0 0 0

Yeah I would easily pick calvin over crabs..... please with out knowledge of cj's career in nfl how could I not pick crabs

i think CJ still goes first because NFL teams love size/speed ratio. and CJ is a freak in that department. hes huge, fast, sure handed, has hops. hes dope. Crabs should be pretty damn good himself, those numbers dont lie. crabtree was a YAC machine in college, they knock his speed but i didnt see him get caught very many times from behind. i was so excited when the raiders passed on him. we'll see in a couple years where our guy is at compared to CJ who already is one of the top receivers in the league. crabs should be up there soon.

i dont know crabs had 1100 more yards fresh year. and while injured he still beat him by around 300 y. yeah i know stats don't, and different comp. either way 1100 yards more..... come on. thats serious. 1900 vs 800 yards.
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by fan49:
Calvin Johnson


YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 48 837 17.4 51 7 3 10 3.3 7 1 0 0
2005 54 888 16.4 59 6 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2006 76

Micheal Crabtree
2007 134 1962 14.6 75 22 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2008 97 1165 12.0 82 19 2 1 0.5 3 0 0 0

Yeah I would easily pick calvin over crabs..... please with out knowledge of cj's career in nfl how could I not pick crabs

i think CJ still goes first because NFL teams love size/speed ratio. and CJ is a freak in that department. hes huge, fast, sure handed, has hops. hes dope. Crabs should be pretty damn good himself, those numbers dont lie. crabtree was a YAC machine in college, they knock his speed but i didnt see him get caught very many times from behind. i was so excited when the raiders passed on him. we'll see in a couple years where our guy is at compared to CJ who already is one of the top receivers in the league. crabs should be up there soon.

i dont know crabs had 1100 more yards fresh year. and while injured he still beat him by around 300 y. yeah i know stats don't, and different comp. either way 1100 yards more..... come on. thats serious. 1900 vs 800 yards.

very true, i would take crabs too because i say production is the only thing i would look at in selecting someone, obviously theyre doing something right if they put up good numbers. im just saying that most scouts see guys with freakish measurables like CJ and VD and they take them over people with better numbers. like Al davis for instance, he takes bey who isnt half the receiver crabtree is just because he's really fast. stuff like that.
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by fan49:
Calvin Johnson


YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 48 837 17.4 51 7 3 10 3.3 7 1 0 0
2005 54 888 16.4 59 6 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2006 76

Micheal Crabtree
2007 134 1962 14.6 75 22 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2008 97 1165 12.0 82 19 2 1 0.5 3 0 0 0

Yeah I would easily pick calvin over crabs..... please with out knowledge of cj's career in nfl how could I not pick crabs

i think CJ still goes first because NFL teams love size/speed ratio. and CJ is a freak in that department. hes huge, fast, sure handed, has hops. hes dope. Crabs should be pretty damn good himself, those numbers dont lie. crabtree was a YAC machine in college, they knock his speed but i didnt see him get caught very many times from behind. i was so excited when the raiders passed on him. we'll see in a couple years where our guy is at compared to CJ who already is one of the top receivers in the league. crabs should be up there soon.

i dont know crabs had 1100 more yards fresh year. and while injured he still beat him by around 300 y. yeah i know stats don't, and different comp. either way 1100 yards more..... come on. thats serious. 1900 vs 800 yards.

very true, i would take crabs too because i say production is the only thing i would look at in selecting someone, obviously theyre doing something right if they put up good numbers. im just saying that most scouts see guys with freakish measurables like CJ and VD and they take them over people with better numbers. like Al davis for instance, he takes bey who isnt half the receiver crabtree is just because he's really fast. stuff like that.

You guys are not looking at the system both guys were in. And, look at their QBs. And of course size and speed matters. It's very important how the players game and skill translate to the next level. This is where CJ separates not just Crabtree, but every Wr that has ever been drafted.

Stats in college are just one of the parameters. If you look at just the production, you will end up drafting great college players who can't play in the NFL and there are plenty of those guys. Some college greats don't even make it to the NFL.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by fan49:
Calvin Johnson


YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 48 837 17.4 51 7 3 10 3.3 7 1 0 0
2005 54 888 16.4 59 6 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2006 76

Micheal Crabtree
2007 134 1962 14.6 75 22 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2008 97 1165 12.0 82 19 2 1 0.5 3 0 0 0

Yeah I would easily pick calvin over crabs..... please with out knowledge of cj's career in nfl how could I not pick crabs

i think CJ still goes first because NFL teams love size/speed ratio. and CJ is a freak in that department. hes huge, fast, sure handed, has hops. hes dope. Crabs should be pretty damn good himself, those numbers dont lie. crabtree was a YAC machine in college, they knock his speed but i didnt see him get caught very many times from behind. i was so excited when the raiders passed on him. we'll see in a couple years where our guy is at compared to CJ who already is one of the top receivers in the league. crabs should be up there soon.

i dont know crabs had 1100 more yards fresh year. and while injured he still beat him by around 300 y. yeah i know stats don't, and different comp. either way 1100 yards more..... come on. thats serious. 1900 vs 800 yards.

very true, i would take crabs too because i say production is the only thing i would look at in selecting someone, obviously theyre doing something right if they put up good numbers. im just saying that most scouts see guys with freakish measurables like CJ and VD and they take them over people with better numbers. like Al davis for instance, he takes bey who isnt half the receiver crabtree is just because he's really fast. stuff like that.

You guys are not looking at the system both guys were in. And, look at their QBs. And of course size and speed matters. It's very important how the players game and skill translate to the next level. This is where CJ separates not just Crabtree, but every Wr that has ever been drafted.

Stats in college are just one of the parameters. If you look at just the production, you will end up drafting great college players who can't play in the NFL and there are plenty of those guys. Some college greats don't even make it to the NFL.

and a lot of nfl scouts have been wrong on "cant miss" guys. after everything is said and done the draft is just a crapshoot. there are no gaurantees. if their numbers are similar, sure, you take the biger faster one, in this case i woulda taken crabtree, just being honest, i may be wrong but thats what i would do. i dont see a flaw in his game at all. same with CJ.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by fan49:
Calvin Johnson


YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 48 837 17.4 51 7 3 10 3.3 7 1 0 0
2005 54 888 16.4 59 6 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2006 76

Micheal Crabtree
2007 134 1962 14.6 75 22 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2008 97 1165 12.0 82 19 2 1 0.5 3 0 0 0

Yeah I would easily pick calvin over crabs..... please with out knowledge of cj's career in nfl how could I not pick crabs

i think CJ still goes first because NFL teams love size/speed ratio. and CJ is a freak in that department. hes huge, fast, sure handed, has hops. hes dope. Crabs should be pretty damn good himself, those numbers dont lie. crabtree was a YAC machine in college, they knock his speed but i didnt see him get caught very many times from behind. i was so excited when the raiders passed on him. we'll see in a couple years where our guy is at compared to CJ who already is one of the top receivers in the league. crabs should be up there soon.

i dont know crabs had 1100 more yards fresh year. and while injured he still beat him by around 300 y. yeah i know stats don't, and different comp. either way 1100 yards more..... come on. thats serious. 1900 vs 800 yards.

very true, i would take crabs too because i say production is the only thing i would look at in selecting someone, obviously theyre doing something right if they put up good numbers. im just saying that most scouts see guys with freakish measurables like CJ and VD and they take them over people with better numbers. like Al davis for instance, he takes bey who isnt half the receiver crabtree is just because he's really fast. stuff like that.

You guys are not looking at the system both guys were in. And, look at their QBs. And of course size and speed matters. It's very important how the players game and skill translate to the next level. This is where CJ separates not just Crabtree, but every Wr that has ever been drafted.

Stats in college are just one of the parameters. If you look at just the production, you will end up drafting great college players who can't play in the NFL and there are plenty of those guys. Some college greats don't even make it to the NFL.

i understand, system and qb's, but 1100 more yards thats a really good receiving year in the nfl. he he got that many more yards freshmen year. and with injury crabs still better. can't deny 11oo more yards. as far as stats go imho screw intangibles 1100 more yards. he blew cj's parameters out of the water. No way I could be picking for a multimillionaire and what 1 million fans, and go with cj over crabs with those numbers.
[ Edited by fan49 on Jul 6, 2009 at 3:18 PM ]
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Calvin Johnson is the best collegiate receiver I've ever seen, especially considering he had Reggie Ball for a QB.

Megatron>>>>>>anybody in college

really while getting 1100 yards less. by far crabs out did him in college. no way i can agree with you with the numbers slanted heavy one way.
do they really call calvin jonson megatron? michael crabtree aka optimus prime will destroy all decepticons
Originally posted by fan49:
Originally posted by TheBlueHell:
Calvin Johnson is the best collegiate receiver I've ever seen, especially considering he had Reggie Ball for a QB.

Megatron>>>>>>anybody in college

really while getting 1100 yards less. by far crabs out did him in college. no way i can agree with you with the numbers slanted heavy one way.

Again, production is just one thing. There is a reason why Calvin went no. 2 (even though, if Al Davis wasn't senile, he would have gone no.1) and Crabtree went no. 10 (again, Al Davis) - but the point is, there were couple of concerns about Crabtree coming into the draft by the GMs:

1. Is he healthy?
2. Speed?
3. The offense he played in jacked up his numbers
4. Getting off the scrimmage

I can't recall one concern about Calvin Johnson. Not one.

I'm not hating on Crabtree. He was my favorite player in college football for last two years. If we had a top 5 pick, I would have wanted him. I really do expect him to do great things for us, and make multiple Pro-bowls. But, CJ is going to be the best WR in NFL for the next 10 years if Staffords turns out a half-way decent QB.

Crabtree may get there, but as of right now, he has more holes in his game than CJ did in his rookie year when it comes to playing in NFL.
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
do they really call calvin jonson megatron? michael crabtree aka optimus prime will destroy all decepticons


damn thats actually a pretty good nickname. crab aka optimus prime!