2025 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Originally posted by tl57:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
team is built. we have a lot of money on the books that isn't going anywhere, unless posey is out. posey made all the moves. probably should add a couple arms in the FA market. i like how ppl don't like the team, yet no criticism of posey. posey extended melvin, extended chap, signed adames, traded for devers prior to selling at the deadline, and so forth. he built what you see now on the field.

Posey made absolutely the right moves on paper and the ownership opened up the check book for him, that has to be commanded. No one expected that abomination of the result when basically the total drags of the league are the ones who really did the Giants in. There is embarrassing common denominator I see that can be dealt with is team's total unpreparedness game to game, culminated in mental errors and total minutia of other circumstances leading to frustrating losses. Whether it had not been communicated to them or not strongly instilled, it is on manager.

you can't have it both ways. for example you can't say melvin sucks and posey made the right moves. posey extended melvin.

Posey has been in charge for one year. Anyone who thinks Posey is at fault is a retard. He improved the roster. And most importantly, he's respected across the league. If you think you are turning around a team in a year that easy…stick to GM mode on video games.

The team has a good core. Adames started off slow adjusting to a new team but has picked it up. You don't move Adames.

Devers also started off slow as a giants but is getting in a groove. And he was playing though injury. You have to let guys adjust to a new city and team. It's also a lot of pressure.

Chapman gets no criticism in here for his hitting but it's not good. Like I said last year, and they talked about it again the other day…he gets attacked with fastballs more than any other player and he strikes out a ton. Before his injury Ramos, Lee, Adames, all were on pace to have more RBIs than Chapman. But his defense is great. He needs to get better at the plate.

Those 3 are the core of the giants. You keep them and build around them.

The giants need a RF. I'd try for a 2B also but if you can't improve there, Schmitt has been better than expected. Let him compete next year. Improve pitching of course. Every team needs that though. Ramos has been a bone head but produces. It's impossible to find 2 really good outfielders in the offseason so you keep Ramos and address RF.

And until robot umps hit the scene, you leave Bailey. It would be nice if next year he builds off this second half, but you don't move on from a gold glove catcher.

But Melvin has lost the team. The team is flat and that's on him. They really need to see if they can find a better manager.

The giants are close. They need a manager, some pitching, and some speed. You guy overreact too much. They add a couple of players and you guys act like if they don't win the World Series year one you need to blow it up. It's crazy how dumb this thread is now.

I am done with Melvin. I get that this team has holes, and has all season, but Melvin has been more of a problem than a solution IMO.

I would like to find a RF and a 2B. The team seems committed to Bailey, and while he isnt my choice for the catcher for the forseeable future, I realize he probably isnt going anywhere. But RF is a glaring hole. Last year people in here flamed me for saying Tyler Fitzgerald probably wasnt the guy for the future, and look how that turned out. Rubs, I am ok with allowing Schmitt to compete for that job, but I believe that much like Fitzgerald, he isnt a long term solution for the position either.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I am done with Melvin. I get that this team has holes, and has all season, but Melvin has been more of a problem than a solution IMO.

I would like to find a RF and a 2B. The team seems committed to Bailey, and while he isnt my choice for the catcher for the forseeable future, I realize he probably isnt going anywhere. But RF is a glaring hole. Last year people in here flamed me for saying Tyler Fitzgerald probably wasnt the guy for the future, and look how that turned out. Rubs, I am ok with allowing Schmitt to compete for that job, but I believe that much like Fitzgerald, he isnt a long term solution for the position either.

Agree. Schmitt is a great backup option because he can play everywhere in the infield. I'd love a 2B that can hit but has some speed. This team is so bad at running the bases. RF is the priority but if they can find a 2B, I'd be pumped.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I am done with Melvin. I get that this team has holes, and has all season, but Melvin has been more of a problem than a solution IMO.

I would like to find a RF and a 2B. The team seems committed to Bailey, and while he isnt my choice for the catcher for the forseeable future, I realize he probably isnt going anywhere. But RF is a glaring hole. Last year people in here flamed me for saying Tyler Fitzgerald probably wasnt the guy for the future, and look how that turned out. Rubs, I am ok with allowing Schmitt to compete for that job, but I believe that much like Fitzgerald, he isnt a long term solution for the position either.

Not sure why, Bailey is pure garbage, been saying it all season, he is holding the team back, at least part of it, should try to find a catcher who can hit

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I am done with Melvin. I get that this team has holes, and has all season, but Melvin has been more of a problem than a solution IMO.

I would like to find a RF and a 2B. The team seems committed to Bailey, and while he isnt my choice for the catcher for the forseeable future, I realize he probably isnt going anywhere. But RF is a glaring hole. Last year people in here flamed me for saying Tyler Fitzgerald probably wasnt the guy for the future, and look how that turned out. Rubs, I am ok with allowing Schmitt to compete for that job, but I believe that much like Fitzgerald, he isnt a long term solution for the position either.

Not sure why, Bailey is pure garbage, been saying it all season, he is holding the team back, at least part of it, should try to find a catcher who can hit

I'm sure they would love to find a catcher like Cal Raleigh that can hit and defend but there aren't a lot of guys like that. Hardly any catchers taken in this year's draft.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I am done with Melvin. I get that this team has holes, and has all season, but Melvin has been more of a problem than a solution IMO.

I would like to find a RF and a 2B. The team seems committed to Bailey, and while he isnt my choice for the catcher for the forseeable future, I realize he probably isnt going anywhere. But RF is a glaring hole. Last year people in here flamed me for saying Tyler Fitzgerald probably wasnt the guy for the future, and look how that turned out. Rubs, I am ok with allowing Schmitt to compete for that job, but I believe that much like Fitzgerald, he isnt a long term solution for the position either.

Not sure why, Bailey is pure garbage, been saying it all season, he is holding the team back, at least part of it, should try to find a catcher who can hit

I'm sure they would love to find a catcher like Cal Raleigh that can hit and defend but there aren't a lot of guys like that. Hardly any catchers taken in this year's draft.

I was starting to lessen my stance on Bailey because he has been serviceable at the plate the last month or so. So I was holding out hope that he would turn it around and at least be a .240 hitter. But after striking out looking 3 times yesterday, all that good will he built up over the last month is completely gone.

We dont need a Cal Raleigh. We need an B+ defender and a C+ hitter. An A defender and a D- hitter isnt going to cut it. Those are backup type players.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Anyone who thinks Patrick Bailey is a backup doesn't know baseball. You dont bench a gold glove catcher because he doesn't hit. You bat him 9th and ignore his offensive production. His defense is something of far greater value.

His WAR is down a full point from last year. 0.8.

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Posey has been in charge for one year. Anyone who thinks Posey is at fault is a retard. He improved the roster. And most importantly, he's respected across the league. If you think you are turning around a team in a year that easy…stick to GM mode on video games.

The team has a good core. Adames started off slow adjusting to a new team but has picked it up. You don't move Adames.

Devers also started off slow as a giants but is getting in a groove. And he was playing though injury. You have to let guys adjust to a new city and team. It's also a lot of pressure.

Chapman gets no criticism in here for his hitting but it's not good. Like I said last year, and they talked about it again the other day…he gets attacked with fastballs more than any other player and he strikes out a ton. Before his injury Ramos, Lee, Adames, all were on pace to have more RBIs than Chapman. But his defense is great. He needs to get better at the plate.

Those 3 are the core of the giants. You keep them and build around them.

The giants need a RF. I'd try for a 2B also but if you can't improve there, Schmitt has been better than expected. Let him compete next year. Improve pitching of course. Every team needs that though. Ramos has been a bone head but produces. It's impossible to find 2 really good outfielders in the offseason so you keep Ramos and address RF.

And until robot umps hit the scene, you leave Bailey. It would be nice if next year he builds off this second half, but you don't move on from a gold glove catcher.

But Melvin has lost the team. The team is flat and that's on him. They really need to see if they can find a better manager.

The giants are close. They need a manager, some pitching, and some speed. You guy overreact too much. They add a couple of players and you guys act like if they don't win the World Series year one you need to blow it up. It's crazy how dumb this thread is now.

Offensively, I don't think you can afford both Adames and Chapman - they just strikeout too much. Adames is on pace for his worst WAR since his rookie season, already has 130 Ks, 40+ more than Chapman and Adames could be flirting with 200 total for the year...

Adames is younger and we just signed him to the richest contract in team history, so I think optically and politically for Posey - it would look bad to trade him after 1 year, but on paper thats the better move but we also have a quality 3B replacement in the scenario where we trade Chapman.

Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:
Offensively, I don't think you can afford both Adames and Chapman - they just strikeout too much. Adames is on pace for his worst WAR since his rookie season, already has 130 Ks, 40+ more than Chapman and Adames could be flirting with 200 total for the year...

Adames is younger and we just signed him to the richest contract in team history, so I think optically and politically for Posey - it would look bad to trade him after 1 year, but on paper thats the better move but we also have a quality 3B replacement in the scenario where we trade Chapman.

He has 100 more AB. Chapman still strikes out at a higher rate.

Hit me up when they trade one of them. I don't have to check my PMs since it won't happen.

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:
Offensively, I don't think you can afford both Adames and Chapman - they just strikeout too much. Adames is on pace for his worst WAR since his rookie season, already has 130 Ks, 40+ more than Chapman and Adames could be flirting with 200 total for the year...

Adames is younger and we just signed him to the richest contract in team history, so I think optically and politically for Posey - it would look bad to trade him after 1 year, but on paper thats the better move but we also have a quality 3B replacement in the scenario where we trade Chapman.

He has 100 more AB. Chapman still strikes out at a higher rate.

Hit me up when they trade one of them. I don't have to check my PMs since it won't happen.

It's what I think should happen... you are probably right - they probably ride it out til next deadline and if nothing changes, I think Posey makes a move.

This offseason, Melvin has to go - own up to the mistake of extending him and move on.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Anyone who thinks Patrick Bailey is a backup doesn't know baseball. You dont bench a gold glove catcher because he doesn't hit. You bat him 9th and ignore his offensive production. His defense is something of far greater value.

Mark me down as someone who doesnt know baseball then.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Anyone who thinks Patrick Bailey is a backup doesn't know baseball. You dont bench a gold glove catcher because he doesn't hit. You bat him 9th and ignore his offensive production. His defense is something of far greater value.

Mark me down as someone who doesnt know baseball then.

It was an ignorant take by 99.

Patrick Bailey is having a terrible year even with his defense, per WAR (0.8) he's the 28th best catcher.

I think the obvious solution is to get a hitter+ catcher and have them split the time. Bailey should not be starting majority of the time. He's not that good in his current form. We have seen him much better in years past. They tried to do that with Tom Murphy but he got hurt... so its a glaring need and the glare gets brighter every day.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
you can't have it both ways. for example you can't say melvin sucks and posey made the right moves. posey extended melvin.

Yes, you can. Posey made what on paper was good moves, other than hurried statement to extend Melvin. They didn't pan out. Part of them not panning out was my believe in Melvin not doing good job in them penning out. I am willing for Posey to tweak the roster and give it another go next year under different leadership and of course absolutely different hitting staff with different approach and directive. The talent is supposedly there, it can't be so ridiculously worse in actuality that is on paper. If one player had slumped in the certain year, that happens. Not the entire lineup with multiple all stars and very promising players together as one. When that happens you look at motivation, preparation, approach, mechanics and so on.