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Sep 5, 2010 at 10:11 AM
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Sep 5, 2010 at 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:
Two words that describe MMA - Vale Tudo.
Two words that describes boxing - One-dimensional
James Toney!!!
I seem to recall Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia
I seem to recall, Couture shooting in and Toney not having a chance in hell. How about example #2, Ray Mercer getting owned by one of the lowest level MMA fighters in Kimbo Slice.
How about Vitor Belfort crossing over and making his Pro debut in Boxing.
MMA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing
Toney and Mercer only fight to collect a paycheck. You can just look at their bodies and see that they're not taking these fights too seriously anymore. If anything they're probally loving these MMA fights because they're over with an under a 1 minute any way you look at it.
They land that punch or they get choked out.
As for Victor Belfort he fought one boxing match against a complete bum. That's the only known fight from his competition. Wow, what a victory!!!!!!!!
Well you list the only time a MMA fighter has actually been KO'd, but Vitor Belforts one victory is not satisfiable??
Tim Sylvia is one of the worst MMA fighters I've ever seen, he was overrated from the start.
Sep 5, 2010 at 10:30 AM
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Who wins? A one boxer with only one arm, or an MMA fighter with only one leg?
Sep 5, 2010 at 10:35 AM
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dry humping FTW
Sep 5, 2010 at 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by HaiGuise:
Who wins? A one boxer with only one arm, or an MMA fighter with only one leg?
An MMA fighter. He still has one leg to shoot in and both arms to take down for a double. He would then pass guard easily, and could still pull off a kimura, anaconda choke or even a crucifix for the finish.
Sep 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:
Two words that describe MMA - Vale Tudo.
Two words that describes boxing - One-dimensional
James Toney!!!
I seem to recall Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia
I seem to recall, Couture shooting in and Toney not having a chance in hell. How about example #2, Ray Mercer getting owned by one of the lowest level MMA fighters in Kimbo Slice.
How about Vitor Belfort crossing over and making his Pro debut in Boxing.
MMA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing
Toney and Mercer only fight to collect a paycheck. You can just look at their bodies and see that they're not taking these fights too seriously anymore. If anything they're probally loving these MMA fights because they're over with an under a 1 minute any way you look at it.
They land that punch or they get choked out.
As for Victor Belfort he fought one boxing match against a complete bum. That's the only known fight from his competition. Wow, what a victory!!!!!!!!
Well you list the only time a MMA fighter has actually been KO'd, but Vitor Belforts one victory is not satisfiable??
Tim Sylvia is one of the worst MMA fighters I've ever seen, he was overrated from the start.
How many credible boxers have actually fought MMA? Not a large sample number right there.
Tim Sylvia is a former champ. Vincent Belfort fought a bum off the street with 0 professional fights. I think there's a difference there.
Sep 5, 2010 at 11:02 AM
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Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:
Two words that describe MMA - Vale Tudo.
Two words that describes boxing - One-dimensional
James Toney!!!
I seem to recall Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia
I seem to recall, Couture shooting in and Toney not having a chance in hell. How about example #2, Ray Mercer getting owned by one of the lowest level MMA fighters in Kimbo Slice.
How about Vitor Belfort crossing over and making his Pro debut in Boxing.
MMA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing
Toney and Mercer only fight to collect a paycheck. You can just look at their bodies and see that they're not taking these fights too seriously anymore. If anything they're probally loving these MMA fights because they're over with an under a 1 minute any way you look at it.
They land that punch or they get choked out.
As for Victor Belfort he fought one boxing match against a complete bum. That's the only known fight from his competition. Wow, what a victory!!!!!!!!
Well you list the only time a MMA fighter has actually been KO'd, but Vitor Belforts one victory is not satisfiable??
Tim Sylvia is one of the worst MMA fighters I've ever seen, he was overrated from the start.
How many credible boxers have actually fought MMA? Not a large sample number right there.
Tim Sylvia is a former champ. Vincent Belfort fought a bum off the street with 0 professional fights. I think there's a difference there.
How does it make it different just cause Tim Sylvia was an ex-champ. Its still boxing vs. MMA and MMA cross over to boxing anyway you slice it. Tim Sylvia chose to stand and he got caught, credit Mercer for that. But, that's just the way Sylvia is, he'll stand and strike with anyone. And that should answer one of the questions, that if a MMA fighter chose to stand with a boxer. But that's also one of Sylvia's weaknesses, he cannot work the inside to save his life and leaves himself open, hence the Mercer KO.
So far its still 3-1, MMA.
[ Edited by Kolohe on Sep 5, 2010 at 11:04 AM ]
Sep 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:
Two words that describe MMA - Vale Tudo.
Two words that describes boxing - One-dimensional
James Toney!!!
I seem to recall Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia
I seem to recall, Couture shooting in and Toney not having a chance in hell. How about example #2, Ray Mercer getting owned by one of the lowest level MMA fighters in Kimbo Slice.
How about Vitor Belfort crossing over and making his Pro debut in Boxing.
MMA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing
Toney and Mercer only fight to collect a paycheck. You can just look at their bodies and see that they're not taking these fights too seriously anymore. If anything they're probally loving these MMA fights because they're over with an under a 1 minute any way you look at it.
They land that punch or they get choked out.
As for Victor Belfort he fought one boxing match against a complete bum. That's the only known fight from his competition. Wow, what a victory!!!!!!!!
Well you list the only time a MMA fighter has actually been KO'd, but Vitor Belforts one victory is not satisfiable??
Tim Sylvia is one of the worst MMA fighters I've ever seen, he was overrated from the start.
How many credible boxers have actually fought MMA? Not a large sample number right there.
Tim Sylvia is a former champ. Vincent Belfort fought a bum off the street with 0 professional fights. I think there's a difference there.
How does it make it different just cause Tim Sylvia was an ex-champ. Its still boxing vs. MMA and MMA cross over to boxing anyway you slice it. Tim Sylvia chose to stand and he got caught, credit Mercer for that. But, that's just the way Sylvia is, he'll stand and strike with anyone. And that should answer one of the questions, that if a MMA fighter chose to stand with a boxer. But that's also one of Sylvia's weaknesses, he cannot work the inside to save his life and leaves himself open, hence the Mercer KO.
So far its still 3-1, MMA.
The point is one was credible victory, and the other wasn't. Why should I care that Vincent Belfort boxed a bum off the street and won? That's not proving anything.
What does it tell you when a old washed up boxer wants to go MMA he's main eventing, but when a MMA fighter makes the switch he starts from the bottom?
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Sep 5, 2010 at 11:13 AM ]
Sep 5, 2010 at 11:16 AM
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MMA fighters have no technique with their hands.
They're sloppy.
All a boxer needs to know is how to sprawl, and that's it.
DOn't bring up James Toney. He obviously sold out , and lost a number of boxing matches after being tested positive for steriods.
Dude looks like he has asthma.
Put Pacquio in the ring and you'll see someone get KO'ed. Not dry humped and ''tap.''
In a street fight, though, headbutts, and kicks to the nuts are legal.
They're sloppy.
All a boxer needs to know is how to sprawl, and that's it.
DOn't bring up James Toney. He obviously sold out , and lost a number of boxing matches after being tested positive for steriods.
Dude looks like he has asthma.
Put Pacquio in the ring and you'll see someone get KO'ed. Not dry humped and ''tap.''
In a street fight, though, headbutts, and kicks to the nuts are legal.
Sep 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM
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Sep 5, 2010 at 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:
Two words that describe MMA - Vale Tudo.
Two words that describes boxing - One-dimensional
James Toney!!!
I seem to recall Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia
I seem to recall, Couture shooting in and Toney not having a chance in hell. How about example #2, Ray Mercer getting owned by one of the lowest level MMA fighters in Kimbo Slice.
How about Vitor Belfort crossing over and making his Pro debut in Boxing.
MMA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing
Toney and Mercer only fight to collect a paycheck. You can just look at their bodies and see that they're not taking these fights too seriously anymore. If anything they're probally loving these MMA fights because they're over with an under a 1 minute any way you look at it.
They land that punch or they get choked out.
As for Victor Belfort he fought one boxing match against a complete bum. That's the only known fight from his competition. Wow, what a victory!!!!!!!!
Well you list the only time a MMA fighter has actually been KO'd, but Vitor Belforts one victory is not satisfiable??
Tim Sylvia is one of the worst MMA fighters I've ever seen, he was overrated from the start.
How many credible boxers have actually fought MMA? Not a large sample number right there.
Tim Sylvia is a former champ. Vincent Belfort fought a bum off the street with 0 professional fights. I think there's a difference there.
How does it make it different just cause Tim Sylvia was an ex-champ. Its still boxing vs. MMA and MMA cross over to boxing anyway you slice it. Tim Sylvia chose to stand and he got caught, credit Mercer for that. But, that's just the way Sylvia is, he'll stand and strike with anyone. And that should answer one of the questions, that if a MMA fighter chose to stand with a boxer. But that's also one of Sylvia's weaknesses, he cannot work the inside to save his life and leaves himself open, hence the Mercer KO.
So far its still 3-1, MMA.
The point is one was credible victory, and the other wasn't. Why should I care that Vincent Belfort boxed a bum off the street and won? That's not proving anything.
What does it tell you when a old washed up boxer wants to go MMA he's main eventing, but when a MMA fighter makes the switch he starts from the bottom?
Again, your not excepting for what it is.
VITOR debuted where he was given, don't you think if he had a real money fight he would've took it?? He simply played the cards he was dealt, how do you fault him for that?? It was still boxing in the end. Ask Vitor if he would box the best, and I'm sure he wouldn't tun it down. Shoot Anderson Silva wanted/wants to box Roy Jones Jr., ask the promoters why that doesn't happen??
But in the end, what exactly is your argument. Is it that an MMA fighter got KO by a boxer in the Octagon, no doubt I won't argue that it happened. Or is that, Boxing will always beat MMA fighters, obviously, you have no argument there. For one, its still 3-1 MMA over boxing. Two, how many boxers have transitioned over to MMA, none that will give us a clear cut answer. Again, I'm getting mixed signals on your argument, or is it that you just hate to lose arguments??
Sep 5, 2010 at 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by TonyStarks:
MMA fighters have no technique with their hands.
They're sloppy.
All a boxer needs to know is how to sprawl, and that's it.
DOn't bring up James Toney. He obviously sold out , and lost a number of boxing matches after being tested positive for steriods.
Dude looks like he has asthma.
Put Pacquio in the ring and you'll see someone get KO'ed. Not dry humped and ''tap.''
In a street fight, though, headbutts, and kicks to the nuts are legal.
LOL now we can't bring up James Toney. Again, it was Toney who initiated a fight into MMA, MMA did not call him out. It was Mayweather who called out MMA, MMA did not call him out. Boxing talks so much smack, yet they fail to live up to the hype. Paciquao would get own in the Octagon, even if he learns to sprawl.....inside sweeps all the way. I'd like to see him defend a Osoto gari.
Sep 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:
Two words that describe MMA - Vale Tudo.
Two words that describes boxing - One-dimensional
James Toney!!!
I seem to recall Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia
I seem to recall, Couture shooting in and Toney not having a chance in hell. How about example #2, Ray Mercer getting owned by one of the lowest level MMA fighters in Kimbo Slice.
How about Vitor Belfort crossing over and making his Pro debut in Boxing.
MMA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing
Toney and Mercer only fight to collect a paycheck. You can just look at their bodies and see that they're not taking these fights too seriously anymore. If anything they're probally loving these MMA fights because they're over with an under a 1 minute any way you look at it.
They land that punch or they get choked out.
As for Victor Belfort he fought one boxing match against a complete bum. That's the only known fight from his competition. Wow, what a victory!!!!!!!!
Well you list the only time a MMA fighter has actually been KO'd, but Vitor Belforts one victory is not satisfiable??
Tim Sylvia is one of the worst MMA fighters I've ever seen, he was overrated from the start.
How many credible boxers have actually fought MMA? Not a large sample number right there.
Tim Sylvia is a former champ. Vincent Belfort fought a bum off the street with 0 professional fights. I think there's a difference there.
How does it make it different just cause Tim Sylvia was an ex-champ. Its still boxing vs. MMA and MMA cross over to boxing anyway you slice it. Tim Sylvia chose to stand and he got caught, credit Mercer for that. But, that's just the way Sylvia is, he'll stand and strike with anyone. And that should answer one of the questions, that if a MMA fighter chose to stand with a boxer. But that's also one of Sylvia's weaknesses, he cannot work the inside to save his life and leaves himself open, hence the Mercer KO.
So far its still 3-1, MMA.
The point is one was credible victory, and the other wasn't. Why should I care that Vincent Belfort boxed a bum off the street and won? That's not proving anything.
What does it tell you when a old washed up boxer wants to go MMA he's main eventing, but when a MMA fighter makes the switch he starts from the bottom?
It says that boxing has too many organizations and does a poor job of promotion. Even if that's not it, then maybe it's been around longer, it's more established, etc. Those are reasons why a MMA guy would have to start at the bottom, not because boxing is a better judge of fighting skills. Sure, boxers are better at boxing than MMA guys. Just like 3 point contest winners are better 3 point shooters than everyone else. It doesn't make them better basketball players, just because they're experts at one aspect of scoring. There's little doubt that a boxer would likely win a boxing match more often than not over an MMA guy. But in a fight, I'd take the MMA guy most of the time.
And you guys forgot Yves Edwards.
Sep 5, 2010 at 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:
Two words that describe MMA - Vale Tudo.
Two words that describes boxing - One-dimensional
James Toney!!!
I seem to recall Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia
I seem to recall, Couture shooting in and Toney not having a chance in hell. How about example #2, Ray Mercer getting owned by one of the lowest level MMA fighters in Kimbo Slice.
How about Vitor Belfort crossing over and making his Pro debut in Boxing.
MMA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing
Toney and Mercer only fight to collect a paycheck. You can just look at their bodies and see that they're not taking these fights too seriously anymore. If anything they're probally loving these MMA fights because they're over with an under a 1 minute any way you look at it.
They land that punch or they get choked out.
As for Victor Belfort he fought one boxing match against a complete bum. That's the only known fight from his competition. Wow, what a victory!!!!!!!!
Well you list the only time a MMA fighter has actually been KO'd, but Vitor Belforts one victory is not satisfiable??
Tim Sylvia is one of the worst MMA fighters I've ever seen, he was overrated from the start.
How many credible boxers have actually fought MMA? Not a large sample number right there.
Tim Sylvia is a former champ. Vincent Belfort fought a bum off the street with 0 professional fights. I think there's a difference there.
How does it make it different just cause Tim Sylvia was an ex-champ. Its still boxing vs. MMA and MMA cross over to boxing anyway you slice it. Tim Sylvia chose to stand and he got caught, credit Mercer for that. But, that's just the way Sylvia is, he'll stand and strike with anyone. And that should answer one of the questions, that if a MMA fighter chose to stand with a boxer. But that's also one of Sylvia's weaknesses, he cannot work the inside to save his life and leaves himself open, hence the Mercer KO.
So far its still 3-1, MMA.
The point is one was credible victory, and the other wasn't. Why should I care that Vincent Belfort boxed a bum off the street and won? That's not proving anything.
What does it tell you when a old washed up boxer wants to go MMA he's main eventing, but when a MMA fighter makes the switch he starts from the bottom?
Again, your not excepting for what it is.
VITOR debuted where he was given, don't you think if he had a real money fight he would've took it?? He simply played the cards he was dealt, how do you fault him for that?? It was still boxing in the end. Ask Vitor if he would box the best, and I'm sure he wouldn't tun it down. Shoot Anderson Silva wanted/wants to box Roy Jones Jr., ask the promoters why that doesn't happen??
But in the end, what exactly is your argument. Is it that an MMA fighter got KO by a boxer in the Octagon, no doubt I won't argue that it happened. Or is that, Boxing will always beat MMA fighters, obviously, you have no argument there. For one, its still 3-1 MMA over boxing. Two, how many boxers have transitioned over to MMA, none that will give us a clear cut answer. Again, I'm getting mixed signals on your argument, or is it that you just hate to lose arguments??
I'm not faulting him for it at all, but you're the one who brought it up making it look like he had success in boxing and could make the crossover. He didn't. He fought one fight against a bum off the street and left boxing. That's not success by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm just countering your argument that a boxer can't hold up against a MMA fighter. Where did I imply that they'd win every fight? You have at it 3-1 but I'm only seeing 2 victories so far Slice over Mercer and Couture over Toney.
Sep 5, 2010 at 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:Originally posted by tjd808185:Originally posted by Kolohe:
Two words that describe MMA - Vale Tudo.
Two words that describes boxing - One-dimensional
James Toney!!!
I seem to recall Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia
I seem to recall, Couture shooting in and Toney not having a chance in hell. How about example #2, Ray Mercer getting owned by one of the lowest level MMA fighters in Kimbo Slice.
How about Vitor Belfort crossing over and making his Pro debut in Boxing.
MMA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing
Toney and Mercer only fight to collect a paycheck. You can just look at their bodies and see that they're not taking these fights too seriously anymore. If anything they're probally loving these MMA fights because they're over with an under a 1 minute any way you look at it.
They land that punch or they get choked out.
As for Victor Belfort he fought one boxing match against a complete bum. That's the only known fight from his competition. Wow, what a victory!!!!!!!!
Well you list the only time a MMA fighter has actually been KO'd, but Vitor Belforts one victory is not satisfiable??
Tim Sylvia is one of the worst MMA fighters I've ever seen, he was overrated from the start.
How many credible boxers have actually fought MMA? Not a large sample number right there.
Tim Sylvia is a former champ. Vincent Belfort fought a bum off the street with 0 professional fights. I think there's a difference there.
How does it make it different just cause Tim Sylvia was an ex-champ. Its still boxing vs. MMA and MMA cross over to boxing anyway you slice it. Tim Sylvia chose to stand and he got caught, credit Mercer for that. But, that's just the way Sylvia is, he'll stand and strike with anyone. And that should answer one of the questions, that if a MMA fighter chose to stand with a boxer. But that's also one of Sylvia's weaknesses, he cannot work the inside to save his life and leaves himself open, hence the Mercer KO.
So far its still 3-1, MMA.
The point is one was credible victory, and the other wasn't. Why should I care that Vincent Belfort boxed a bum off the street and won? That's not proving anything.
What does it tell you when a old washed up boxer wants to go MMA he's main eventing, but when a MMA fighter makes the switch he starts from the bottom?
Again, your not excepting for what it is.
VITOR debuted where he was given, don't you think if he had a real money fight he would've took it?? He simply played the cards he was dealt, how do you fault him for that?? It was still boxing in the end. Ask Vitor if he would box the best, and I'm sure he wouldn't tun it down. Shoot Anderson Silva wanted/wants to box Roy Jones Jr., ask the promoters why that doesn't happen??
But in the end, what exactly is your argument. Is it that an MMA fighter got KO by a boxer in the Octagon, no doubt I won't argue that it happened. Or is that, Boxing will always beat MMA fighters, obviously, you have no argument there. For one, its still 3-1 MMA over boxing. Two, how many boxers have transitioned over to MMA, none that will give us a clear cut answer. Again, I'm getting mixed signals on your argument, or is it that you just hate to lose arguments??
I'm not faulting him for it at all, but you're the one who brought it up making it look like he had success in boxing and could make the crossover. He didn't. He fought one fight against a bum off the street and left boxing. That's not success by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm just countering your argument that a boxer can't hold up against a MMA fighter. Where did I imply that they'd win every fight? You have at it 3-1 but I'm only seeing 2 victories so far Slice over Mercer and Couture over Toney.
My point was that Vitor fought a sanctioned boxing match, how hard is that to except. An MMA fighter willing to cross over. How did I imply that it was success, other than it was just a cross over?? And example #2 is right above your post, Yeves Edwards.
Ray Mercer, James Toney and Marcus Davis (UFC #1).