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Two words that describe MMA - Vale Tudo.
Two words that describes boxing - One-dimensional
James Toney!!!
I seem to recall Ray Mercer knocking out Tim Sylvia
I seem to recall, Couture shooting in and Toney not having a chance in hell. How about example #2, Ray Mercer getting owned by one of the lowest level MMA fighters in Kimbo Slice.
How about Vitor Belfort crossing over and making his Pro debut in Boxing.
MMA>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Boxing
Toney and Mercer only fight to collect a paycheck. You can just look at their bodies and see that they're not taking these fights too seriously anymore. If anything they're probally loving these MMA fights because they're over with an under a 1 minute any way you look at it.
They land that punch or they get choked out.
As for Victor Belfort he fought one boxing match against a complete bum. That's the only known fight from his competition. Wow, what a victory!!!!!!!!
Well you list the only time a MMA fighter has actually been KO'd, but Vitor Belforts one victory is not satisfiable??
Tim Sylvia is one of the worst MMA fighters I've ever seen, he was overrated from the start.
How many credible boxers have actually fought MMA? Not a large sample number right there.
Tim Sylvia is a former champ. Vincent Belfort fought a bum off the street with 0 professional fights. I think there's a difference there.
How does it make it different just cause Tim Sylvia was an ex-champ. Its still boxing vs. MMA and MMA cross over to boxing anyway you slice it. Tim Sylvia chose to stand and he got caught, credit Mercer for that. But, that's just the way Sylvia is, he'll stand and strike with anyone. And that should answer one of the questions, that if a MMA fighter chose to stand with a boxer. But that's also one of Sylvia's weaknesses, he cannot work the inside to save his life and leaves himself open, hence the Mercer KO.
So far its still 3-1, MMA.
The point is one was credible victory, and the other wasn't. Why should I care that Vincent Belfort boxed a bum off the street and won? That's not proving anything.
What does it tell you when a old washed up boxer wants to go MMA he's main eventing, but when a MMA fighter makes the switch he starts from the bottom?
Again, your not excepting for what it is.
VITOR debuted where he was given, don't you think if he had a real money fight he would've took it?? He simply played the cards he was dealt, how do you fault him for that?? It was still boxing in the end. Ask Vitor if he would box the best, and I'm sure he wouldn't tun it down. Shoot Anderson Silva wanted/wants to box Roy Jones Jr., ask the promoters why that doesn't happen??
But in the end, what exactly is your argument. Is it that an MMA fighter got KO by a boxer in the Octagon, no doubt I won't argue that it happened. Or is that, Boxing will always beat MMA fighters, obviously, you have no argument there. For one, its still 3-1 MMA over boxing. Two, how many boxers have transitioned over to MMA, none that will give us a clear cut answer. Again, I'm getting mixed signals on your argument, or is it that you just hate to lose arguments??
I'm not faulting him for it at all, but you're the one who brought it up making it look like he had success in boxing and could make the crossover. He didn't. He fought one fight against a bum off the street and left boxing. That's not success by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm just countering your argument that a boxer can't hold up against a MMA fighter. Where did I imply that they'd win every fight? You have at it 3-1 but I'm only seeing 2 victories so far Slice over Mercer and Couture over Toney.
My point was that Vitor fought a sanctioned boxing match, how hard is that to except. An MMA fighter willing to cross over. How did I imply that it was success, other than it was just a cross over?? And example #2 is right above your post, Yeves Edwards.
Ray Mercer, James Toney and Marcus Davis (UFC #1).
He fought a sanctioned boxing match against a bum. How hard is to accept that. The same goes for Yeves Edwards. He compiled a 2-0 record against local gym rats.
You have to fill me in on Marcus Davis. Sounds like he had a good career making the transition from boxer to MMA fighter.
OK so set up a boxing match against Belfort and Mayweather then. And Yeves Edwards and Paciquao too. I mean cheesus, your not acknowleding the fact that they in fact crossed over. Again, its the cards they are dealt with, you act like you are able to set up matches. Again, if Belfort and Edwards could straight up get big money fights do you think they would turn it down....no, they boxed who they had to, to make their debut. Where did we imply that it was success??
My bad his name was Art Jimmerson, not Marcus Davis. And before that there was another boxer who fought in the UFC from the beginning.
You're the one who mentioned it like it had meaning. They crossed over and beat some guy fighting for a sandwich. Take it for what it's worth.
Art who? I thought we're talking about credible boxers making the crossover here.
I think we would all love to see Mayweather or Paciquo go up against insert great MMA fighter in both the Octagon and the ring. God would that be great. Let's see how it plays out in both worlds. You can barely get 2 great boxers to fight each other so don't hold your breath on that one.
Again, how many times must I repeat myself, I was only pointing out that a MMA fighter has crossed over. You were the one implying that I was looking at it as success.
And as for Art Jimmerson, hes a 1983 national golden glove champion. You keep bringing up the caliber of a boxer, my main point is that a boxer will be defeated more times than not in the Octagon. Isn't that the whole point to this thread??
Plenty of average boxers have had success crossing over into MMA. You brought up Bruce Davis, Jeremy Williams went 5-0 in MMA (against scrubs), hell Butterbean had a pretty decent MMA career. I don't see the proof that boxers can't make it in MMA. Especially if they actually take the fight seriously and don't just show up to collect a paycheck like Mercer and Toney.
Who the heck is Bruce Davis?? You need to go re-read my post. And which Jeremy Williams are you talking about, its like your just throwing names out there. Butterbean, LOL, can't believe you actually called that boxing, more like brawling but OK. Like I said, if you train to sprawl and for submssions, does that make you still a boxer or an MMA fighter?? Of course your gonna say boxer, because you are pretty much biased in your opinion and judging from your recent post you have a hard time agreeing with someone, hence your the names you went and threw out there.
I meant Marcus Davis, and yes you did bring him up when you were scrambling to find that 3rd MMA win.
Which Jeremy Williams? It's pretty obvious I'm talking about the one with a 68-4 boxing record. We are talking boxers crossing over into MMA, right?
So what you're saying is if Mayweather trained a little in MMA added some skills outside of boxing and beat some MMA fighters it doesn't count, but if a MMA fighter beat Mayweather in the boxing ring he's not a boxer he's a MMA fighter. That's a pretty big double standard there. You really think a MMA fighter stepping into the boxing ring is going to be working on takedowns and leg kicks. I think not. He's going to be working on boxing. Adding skills he currently doesn't have with his MMA training.
Seriously, go back and read my post, I apologized for getting his name wrong, his name was Art Jimmerson, NOT Marcus Davis. As I put it, it was in UFC 1.
And who said, it doesn't count, all I said, was, would it still make that fighter a boxer??
What do you two (silkyjohnson) want, to say oh snap you guys are right, you win. Well you guys win if it makes you happy, I got other things to do, gotta head out to the beach instead of arguing nonsense.....later.
Yes he's still a boxer. Just because Shannon Briggs thru some kicks when he was in K-1 doesn't mean he's now a kick boxer in place of a boxer. I don't get what you're saying here. If he actually trains for a MMA fight he's no longer a boxer but a MMA fighter. Why? If Belfort is fighting a boxing match against Mayweather he's training for a boxing match. Is he no longer an MMA fighter?
Common sense, yes, Vitor isn't. And a Boxer isn't either. end thread.
But to get back to the point of the thread, an MMA fighter would own a boxer 9 times outta 10.
Have a nice day.
Damn the beach was packed, what did you guys do today besides wait for my reply.