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***OFFICIAL USAMNT 2010 WC THREAD***

Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:

I am officially eating my crow and admitting that I was wrong about Findley being a non-factor part of this team. Granted, he's no Charlie Davies, he brings the speed option that we clearly NEED to succeed.

Turkey brought their A game to show the world they deserved to be in the WC, but the US equalized in the second half with a strong defensive effort and stronger/aggressive offensive play, the same play we showed in the Confederations Cup.

I think Torres and Cherundolo have shown their value to this team and should deserve to start against Australia. Felihaber shouldn't be starting and Spector might be better off as a substitute (though Spector has shown starting potential).

Dempsey is a center Midfielder, not a striker, so stick with the 4-4-2 and let Donovan, Dempsey, Altidore, and Bocanegra do their jobs right, not make them into a 4-4-1-1 hybrid crap.

Also, hope Oneywu heals up soon b/c he still looked a lil slow and worried he hasn't played a full 90 minute game in MONTHS...and we clearly need him to help manage the middle.

For those who didn't watch, I will be posting a player-by-player analysis tonight so stay tuned US soccer fans

Agree with pretty much everything you said.

Findley played well I thought. His energy was immediately noticed after the team's lackadaisical first half. He's a good guy to bring off the bench.

I don't know if Dempsey was just loafing it because it was a friendly, but I thought he played terrible, excluding the goal, which was a nice play. He kept falling down and his touch was terrible. Hopefully he steps up in S.Africa.

I like Goodson in the back -- strong challenger on tackles. We need that.

Altidore still disappoints me. That one move he had in the first half was awesome -- pushed it around the defender, burst around the other side. But where is this for the other 85 minutes? I want more from him.

The formation is lame. We can't beat teams like that. We need a stronger attack. Play a 4-4-2 with Altidore and Buddle/Gomez/Findley with Dempsey and Donovan center mid.

The defense still scares me. Failure to cover for a guy who makes a forward run? That shouldn't happen. With Onyewu not at full strength, I'm skeptical.

I hate to rag on the team, because I'm hoping for the best, but I was hoping for more today. I'll never complain with a win, but it'll take more to compete in two weeks.

Look forward to your analysis Crazy
After reading Leander Schaerlaeckens' grades on ESPN, I felt he needed a better outlook on the US squad and the steps they took onto improving for the World Cup.


So here's Crazy49er1313's US Soccer American Send-off Review:


USA squad analysis

Strikers

Robbie Findley: 9

After all the bashing, sh**-talking, and "WTFs" given about this selection, he showed in the second half that we can still play the style we've been accustomed to with Davies. He's not the same ball-control, his speed is pretty much the same, but do think he's a better passer than Davies. Overall, Findley allowed Donovan, Altidore, and Dempsey to play their natural positions and made us better.


Jozy Altidore: 7

He clearly hasn't missed a beat and will be key for years to come for the US. His first 30 minutes were embarrassing, especially being out-muscled for soccer balls, and he's our low-post player. Near the end, when he set up the near Dempsey goal at the end of the 1st half, he showed talent with breaking through defenses and a second gear he hadn't shown previously. In the second half, he showed that his talents are the best in a spread-offense type in the 4-4-2, where Donovan, Findley, and Torres can pass him the ball and he can get better one-on-one looks. His goal brought the team back to life and his presence spread the defense enough to help lead to Dempsey's goal. One more warm up and he'll be back to killer-form


Herculez Gomez & Edson Buddle: Didn't play

Theory: Gomez will be a situational substitute for Findley, and Buddle plays similarly to Altidore so no need to have two Altidore's on the field, so Buddle will most likely be Altidore's sub if tired or *KNOCK ON WOOD* injuried.


Midfielders

Landon Donovan: 9

For 90 minutes, he showed why he's the best player on this squad. There's no denying his talents (2 assists) and that's all that needs to be said

Jose Torres: 7.5

Showed great ball control and was one of the key pieces in the comeback today. His near goal on the penalty shot in the late 86th minute mark shows how he quite possibly will become a full starter come the England game.

Ricardo Clark: 6

He wasn't bad, but he wasn't great either. He has speed, but needs to build a rapport with this squad. His speed and ball handling will be good enough to keep his spot, but could still improve overall game-time decision making.

Clint Dempsey: 8

Looked like he needed to get some more rest, and was clearly out of his natural position in the 1st half. The second half, putting him back at center midfield allowed him to exercise his full talents and showed in the overall team execution. He is intricate to our success and his 1 goal in 3 shot attempts showed.

Michael Bradley: 7.5

He had some slip ups in the first half, but even though he's the coaches son, he has clearly earned his position on this squad and should be a starter. Played full tilt for 90 minutes and helped set up many great offensive attacks and helped stall some possible Turkey scoring opportunities. Only mess up was that I think he kept bumping into Clark and Spector too much, and if I'm not mistaken (could be wrong) but was suppose to be the switch with Spector when Spector Advanced the ball, leading to Turkey's first goal.

Benny Felihaber: .5

He's a sub at best and needs to be replaced ASAP. Did nothing to show he deserved to be a starter, or even on this squad.

Stuart Holden: 5

Did his job and played strong defense. Only played 6 minutes so fulfilled his need for substitute.

Maurice Edu & DaMarcus Beasely: Didn't play

Theory: Will only play if massive injuries ensue, though Edu and Beasely are good enough to start, so not bad options. Beasley might start if Bradley wants an infusion of speed into the squad.


Defenders

Carlos Bocanegra: 6

As a captain, he should have played better. The transition to left back seems to be throwing him off a little, but expect him to be back to his old self, especially with his ability to push the ball up and shut down his side of the field.

Jay DeMerit: 6.5

Played well, not the same dominant performance he had during the Spain and Brazil matches, but once paired with Oneywu, began playing smarter and with better talent. His late tackle most likely hindered Tim Howard's capacity to stop the goal.

Oguchi Oneywu: 7.5

Only played 45 minutes, but showed how vital he is as a defender for this squad. The middle was near impenetrable when he was in and made DeMerit even better. Hopefully he can play a full 90 minutes by the time England game starts.

Clarence Goodson: 6

Not as strong as the Czech game, but did his job and will serve as a good player for this squad. Not an All-Star, but good enough nonetheless.

Steve Cherundolo: 7.5

Earned a starting position and kept up with the quick attacks of the Turkish squad and kept making great passes. Kept the offensive pace up for the US and showed great ball-control. Also, outside of Dempsey, the most aggressive player on our squad.

Jonathan Spector: 2

Pretty much shown to be speed-only. Constantly beat on the right and quite possibly lost his starting position. Can make up for it, but Cherundolo will push for his spot all the way to June 12th.

Jonathan Bornstein: 2

Showed why he's a sub and will remain a sub with poor passing and bad ball control.

Goalie

Tim Howard: 7

Normally would be rated higher, but he took too many risks, but I felt that was in part due to the new defensive line in front of him. I have no worries about him on the big stage (star at Everton) and will be good.


Overall Grade: 7.5

Best way to leave off beating FIFA's #29 squad who was a game away from the 2008 Euro Finals and had a lot to prove, not making the WC Finals since their 3rd place finish in 2002. They brought their A game and we beat them nonetheless b/c we're talented and will have to structure our squad to fit those talents.

Looking forward to the Aussie warm-up, though I don't expect us to show anything new. Will hopefully try out Gomez, but Findley showed he can bring back the life into this club.



Future Direction for WC

4-4-2 formation

Strikers

Jozy Altidore; Robbie Findley



Midfielders (left to right)

Landon Donovan; Mike Bradley; Clint Dempsey; Jose Torres



Defenders (left to right)

Carlos Bocanegra, Oguchi Oneywu, Jay DeMerit, Steve Cherundolo



Goalie

Tim Howard



GO USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[ Edited by Crazy49er1313 on May 29, 2010 at 11:58 PM ]
^^ Fred Beasley?

Originally posted by SacRock14:
^^ Fred Beasley?


Fixed

Sorry, had a flashback...lol
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I still think Holden might get the start on the wing if Dempsey is moved up.
USA Long Shot, with a chance
Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
USA Long Shot, with a chance

Very well written article...yet HE STOLE THREE OF MY PICKS!!!! I have the Serbs, US, and Portugal advancing to the later rounds!

I would've had Ivory Coast, but when you change your coach so close to the WC, it's hard to rally your squad and get them to play well. If they advance, it's b/c Drogba is playing lights out and the Toure brothers are contributing.

Greece has been over-played since 2004 (yes, I know the same can be said about the US, but at least we have more RECENT successes), though the writers analysis of the Greek defense is correct.
Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
USA Long Shot, with a chance

Very well written article...yet HE STOLE THREE OF MY PICKS!!!! I have the Serbs, US, and Portugal advancing to the later rounds!

I would've had Ivory Coast, but when you change your coach so close to the WC, it's hard to rally your squad and get them to play well. If they advance, it's b/c Drogba is playing lights out and the Toure brothers are contributing.

Greece has been over-played since 2004 (yes, I know the same can be said about the US, but at least we have more RECENT successes), though the writers analysis of the Greek defense is correct.

not to dis or anything, but I think most people are riding on the success of the confederation cup. I hope the U.S. has a great world cup no doubt, but Im saying this because I thought for sure theyd have a good world cup in 2006 and it didnt happen. I feel that the U.S. should not get too confident in this world cup just because they reached the final in the confederations cup. but Greece has absolutely no chance at anything. that article is laughable.
Originally posted by 1251alex:
Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
USA Long Shot, with a chance

Very well written article...yet HE STOLE THREE OF MY PICKS!!!! I have the Serbs, US, and Portugal advancing to the later rounds!

I would've had Ivory Coast, but when you change your coach so close to the WC, it's hard to rally your squad and get them to play well. If they advance, it's b/c Drogba is playing lights out and the Toure brothers are contributing.

Greece has been over-played since 2004 (yes, I know the same can be said about the US, but at least we have more RECENT successes), though the writers analysis of the Greek defense is correct.

not to dis or anything, but I think most people are riding on the success of the confederation cup. I hope the U.S. has a great world cup no doubt, but Im saying this because I thought for sure theyd have a good world cup in 2006 and it didnt happen. I feel that the U.S. should not get too confident in this world cup just because they reached the final in the confederations cup. but Greece has absolutely no chance at anything. that article is laughable.

Well in 2006 no one knew about Ghana and Italy became the champions so I don't think our group play was bad (especially since we tied Italy), though the losses to Ghana and the Czech Republic were inexcusable (especially the Czech loss).

I think our problem was that we relied too much on our defense in 2006 and it wasn't that good to begin with. The thing about our 2010 squad is we have a better goal keeper, more international league experience, and a good offense. Unfortunately, our defense hasn't been as strong as in years past, but England is the only team in our Group whom I feel has the capacity to light us up. Slovenia is a defensive squad and Algeria shouldn't have made it to begin with.

Overall, we have a new kind of squad, one with better speed and experience, and hopefully will make it not only to the round of 16, but farther past that
Originally posted by 1251alex:
Originally posted by Crazy49er1313:
Originally posted by Hollywood49er:
USA Long Shot, with a chance

Very well written article...yet HE STOLE THREE OF MY PICKS!!!! I have the Serbs, US, and Portugal advancing to the later rounds!

I would've had Ivory Coast, but when you change your coach so close to the WC, it's hard to rally your squad and get them to play well. If they advance, it's b/c Drogba is playing lights out and the Toure brothers are contributing.

Greece has been over-played since 2004 (yes, I know the same can be said about the US, but at least we have more RECENT successes), though the writers analysis of the Greek defense is correct.

not to dis or anything, but I think most people are riding on the success of the confederation cup. I hope the U.S. has a great world cup no doubt, but Im saying this because I thought for sure theyd have a good world cup in 2006 and it didnt happen. I feel that the U.S. should not get too confident in this world cup just because they reached the final in the confederations cup. but Greece has absolutely no chance at anything. that article is laughable.

I hear what you are saying about high expectations. I don't think any real US fans think they have a shot at the cup, but anything can happen.
I think the difference this year is the success the key players (minus Jozy) have had this season that raises expectations. Donovan, Dempsey, Howard, and Bocanegra have had excellent seasons in different leagues. Even the bench guys are coming in red hot, (Herculez, Buddle & Holden). All this excellent play was after the Confed Cup.
to crazy and hollywood, yeah, you guys definitely have a way better team this WC. and hopefully you guys make it far since you have the team to do so.
Originally posted by 1251alex:
to crazy and hollywood, yeah, you guys definitely have a way better team this WC. and hopefully you guys make it far since you have the team to do so.

As much as I looooooooooooooooooooooooove my team, I'm hoping for quarterfinals (which would mean an upset of Germany, which wouldn't be out of the question, but they've pretty much owned us ever since the sport was invented), then after that it's house money....
http://mlsinsiderblog.com/?p=2549

Originally posted by vrabbit:
http://mlsinsiderblog.com/?p=2549


Yeah, I woke up to this "Breaking News" on ESPN. Totally sucks, but I think they're just being overly cautious.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
http://mlsinsiderblog.com/?p=2549


Yeah, I woke up to this "Breaking News" on ESPN. Totally sucks, but I think they're just being overly cautious.

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