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There will be more good players cut later on. Smaller cap this year will lead to casualties. I think they should upgrade OL thru FA and draft the young playmakers
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Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Now, I cannot agree there. And from what I've seen Shanny & Lynch haven't approached the draft that way. While we are a SB-ready team if healthy, we do have glaring key holes that we need to fill:

- a starting CB
- a starting safety
- a starting interior O-lineman
- a starting nickel CB (because I doubt K. Williams re-signs with us)
- RB is definitely a need
- Dee Ford's eventual replacement
- if T. Williams leaves LT becomes a big hole
- depth along the D-line, because we're sure to lose more than a few rotational pieces there
- we still need a return specialist

Those are 9 areas of need off the top of my head (and we have 10 picks). Taking flyers in the 7th round, maybe 6th rounds? Sure. But attack the draft with BPA? Absolutely not. Respectfully, it's just lazy. (I've argued that point for years, so it's not directed at you specifically.) Frankly, I don't think any NFL coach attacks a draft using BPA. I expect NFL coaches to put in long hours studying film, researching, and scouting players vs. the needs of their rosters vs. the realities the draft in real time vs. scheme fit. Shanny is dead-set on scheme fit, sometimes much to my chagrin. So attacking draft with BPA ain't happening with this coaching staff and GM.
I kind of agree with this list.

- Starting CB ..... this be via the draft, maybe a 1st rounder expenditure
- Starting Safety - Free Agency or re-sign one of our safeties
- Starting interior OLine - FA, maybe Mack as a center and move some one else to the inside. Otherwise, there is a long list of FA Olinemen
- Nickel CB - via FA
- RB - Via draft. Or maybe promotion from within like Jamychal Hasty. He was playing pretty good until he broke his collarbone last season.We also have Jeff Wilson. SO, maybe a RB drafted in 4th round or later could be fine. ShanaLynch seem to find good RB prospects in the later round or even as UDFAs.
- Dee Ford's eventual replacement - Draft. A Top 5 pass rusher might fall to them in the 2nd round. If cap space permits, also a Tier 2 FA. Can't have too much pass rushing depth.
- TW leaving - Yup big hole. Maybe plug it with the best other available LT in the free agency, and save $8-10 million. Not an entirely bad thing. No rookie from the draft can be trusted in this position, not in this year's draft class anyway.
- D Line Depth - One or 2 from the draft, one or two from FA
- Return specialist - we have those. Aiyuk is one. Also Jeff Wilson. We need a back up, maybe a rookie from the draft
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
There will be more good players cut later on. Smaller cap this year will lead to casualties. I think they should upgrade OL thru FA and draft the young playmakers

Yup, the fact that TW, a future HOF, and top graded LT, has not been snapped up, tells you all teams are up against the reduced cap. Its the worse possible year for him to test the free market. He should have just signed a one year offer and wait for a big payday next year after the cap balloons up. He owes us that anyway from rescuing him from the Redskins, the ingrate!
[ Edited by Vancouver49er on Mar 16, 2021 at 6:29 PM ]
I wonder where the Niners sit currently in regards to cap space remaining compared to the other teams. They were around 8th or 9th when the tampering period began and I have to think they are even higher than that now with all the Spending other teams have done. This could come in handy when it comes to other free agents that are available. Still alot of good players out there.
[ Edited by JTB1974 on Mar 16, 2021 at 6:43 PM ]
Originally posted by JTB1974:
I wonder where the Niners sit currently in regards to cap space remaining compared to the other teams. They were around 8th or 9th when the tampering period began and I have to think they are even higher than that now with all the Spending other teams have done. This could come in handy when it comes to other free agents that are available. Still alot of good players out there.

Niners have 28-32 M depends on Ford's exact cap hit this year.
[ Edited by Strwy2Hevn on Mar 16, 2021 at 6:51 PM ]
Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by zeppfan1:
Originally posted by illinois9er:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:


Resigning Juice and verret to maintain was nice. Nothing to improve the talent so far. I'm not feeling it.

I can't believe that you feel this way
Lol, shocker

But it's true tho.

Actually, it is true. But that's because Shanny & Co. mostly use the draft to "improve the talent" on the team. Unless we're talking about a top FA other teams FA's are roster fillers, IMHO. Resigning your own FA's should take precedence over other team's FA (unless there's an affordable upgrade opportunity), which is what Shanny & Co. are doing.

I agree there. FA is used to fill gaps on glaring holes so you can go to the draft with somehow a complete team.
Keeping your own guys comes before looking for outside talent.
They are 2/3 for the top players they wanted to bring back, pushing to bring the most important one.
If you succeed here you can pretty much attack the draft with BPA.

Now, I cannot agree there. And from what I've seen Shanny & Lynch haven't approached the draft that way. While we are a SB-ready team if healthy, we do have glaring key holes that we need to fill:

- a starting CB
- a starting safety
- a starting interior O-lineman
- a starting nickel CB (because I doubt K. Williams re-signs with us)
- RB is definitely a need
- Dee Ford's eventual replacement
- if T. Williams leaves LT becomes a big hole
- depth along the D-line, because we're sure to lose more than a few rotational pieces there
- we still need a return specialist

Those are 9 areas of need off the top of my head (and we have 10 picks). Taking flyers in the 7th round, maybe 6th rounds? Sure. But attack the draft with BPA? Absolutely not. Respectfully, it's just lazy. (I've argued that point for years, so it's not directed at you specifically.) Frankly, I don't think any NFL coach attacks a draft using BPA. I expect NFL coaches to put in long hours studying film, researching, and scouting players vs. the needs of their rosters vs. the realities the draft in real time vs. scheme fit. Shanny is dead-set on scheme fit, sometimes much to my chagrin. So attacking draft with BPA ain't happening with this coaching staff and GM.

I think the reality is somewhere in between. Both have also said they place draft value based off need. So, if you have 2 guys graded as mid 1st round picks, you'll take the player in thr bigger area of need first.

Or, for example, for our 2nd round pick if we have a WR graded as a late first who's still available and there's a safety who they graded as a high 2nd, we would take the safety, IMO.

They haven't finished building the pre-draft roster. I mentioned IF you succeed, which means having startable players at every single position before the draft.
Verrett & Moseley are startable CB, one is top 15 and the other middle of the pack
I'd gess they believe Moore and Ward to be their starting safeties for the time being
RG and C are currently glaring holes until they sign somebody
I agree with the NCB being a need as well
Dee Ford replacement could very well be Hyder, Dunlap or any other dude who is still available. For now it's a need
LT is a need until they sign Trent
RB is not a need, not a position you pay money or spend anything more than a 4th round pick. You have two startable RB and could sign a third for the vet minimum which is what that position is worth
Depth is addressed in the draft. But as they brought Ebukam perhaps DJ Jones could be back for another year.

Just get 22 starters who are above average and it is a successful FA period. Now obviously there's the positional value so you never, ever use a first on a RB, Kicker or that sort of positions. Attack the strenghts of the draft, which good for the niners it's exactly OL and CB where they have lesser depth.

My mock will have us taking a CB with out 1st pick. While Verrett is the unquestioned starter on one side, there no way on earth I think that the coaching staff see's Moseley as the unquestioned starter on the other side. Is he starter potential? Yup. But he's very inconsistent, not as inconsistent as Weatherspoon, but inconsistent enough to not count on him to be a starter – yet. Besides, if he does pan out to be the other CB starter, and we draft a CB in the 1st, in 2022 it'll be him and our 2021 1st round CB, which would likely be a top 5 CB duo with a top 3 front 4.

Ward is another unquestioned starter. However (and please read carefully), TO ME Ward should be the other CB, and Moore is better suited for FS. The problem with Moore is that he's not too interchangeable that our 4-3 scheme needs it's safety's to be, causing him to be very inconsistent and a liability. So I don't see that happening. While Ward can play CB and either safety, Moore is more of a true man cover CB and single-high who can play "center field" with his 4.3 speed. That's fine – if the offence can't force the D into zone or out of the single high. When he has to be audibled into covering slot WR's, or audibled into pre/post coverage looks, he becomes a liability. This is why Moore can't be more than a rotational, spot player for us, and why I disagree that Shanny & Co. see him as the other safety starter. I have us drafting a versatile safety in the draft.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think we're gonna be able to hold onto Hyder. And I have a strong feeling that Dunlap is gonna be too expensive. I think we'll be better addressing this in the draft – younger. Faster, cheaper.

Gonna have to disagree about the RB position. Jet and Tevin aren't returning. Mostert and Wilson are the only other RB's on the roster we have any confidence in. Shanny likes a 3 RB rotation (not two). I like Hasty, but we need to see much more. The only other RB we have is Austin Walter, and we know nothing about him. I doubt very seriously that Shanny won't bring in a mid/late round RB to compete for that final spot. So yes, we do need a RB.

I'd be shocked if we can hold onto D.J Jones. Now, I think Kinlaw is gonna have a breakout sophomore season. But behind him I'm not too confident.

Ebukam is nothing more than a ST ace, and EDGE rusher to give breathers. Nothing more. Look for us to draft an EDGE rusher before the 4th round.
Originally posted by Vancouver49er:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Seattle and LA are losing talent due to cap restrictions and both traded away multiple 1sts. I mean, who's gonna start at corner for the Hawks?

Apparently Akhelo Witherspoon

Well......they better get a Bosa/Ford level pass rush or we all have seen what can happen to him. Shaquille Griffin, he is not.
So the 49ers don't sign trent williams
Lose a corner to Seattle
Don't sign a veteran qb
And lose a 7th rounder

I hope tomorrow is better
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So the 49ers don't sign trent williams
Lose a corner to Seattle
Don't sign a veteran qb
And lose a 7th rounder

I hope tomorrow is better

f**kin A man
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So the 49ers don't sign trent williams
Lose a corner to Seattle
Don't sign a veteran qb
And lose a 7th rounder

I hope tomorrow is better

Seattle signing/starting Witherspoon is a giant win for us
Originally posted by elguapo:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So the 49ers don't sign trent williams
Lose a corner to Seattle
Don't sign a veteran qb
And lose a 7th rounder

I hope tomorrow is better

f**kin A man

Not sign Trent yet
Lose an scrub corner to Seattle
Don't sign a veteran QB to 10m per year? lol who wants that
A 7th rounder is irrelevant
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So the 49ers don't sign trent williams
Lose a corner to Seattle
Don't sign a veteran qb
And lose a 7th rounder

I hope tomorrow is better
You lost me here
Originally posted by zeppfan1:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So the 49ers don't sign trent williams
Lose a corner to Seattle
Don't sign a veteran qb
And lose a 7th rounder

I hope tomorrow is better
You lost me here

Seriously. Just resign every player in case Seattle signs them.
Originally posted by zeppfan1:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So the 49ers don't sign trent williams
Lose a corner to Seattle
Don't sign a veteran qb
And lose a 7th rounder

I hope tomorrow is better
You lost me here

Originally posted by JD9671:
Originally posted by zeppfan1:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So the 49ers don't sign trent williams
Lose a corner to Seattle
Don't sign a veteran qb
And lose a 7th rounder

I hope tomorrow is better
You lost me here


That wasn't lost a cb..... it's sabotage.
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